TN - Joann, 31, & Adrienne Bain, 14, Whiteville, 27 April 2012 - #3

[Storm]

I'm sorry you went through such a difficult time. And am grateful that you are still around to share your story.

I deleted my post out of respect.

I've been reading here for years..and posting seldom..but I think this is the most caring, compassionate and sincere group of people I've known...in a large group with varied opinions..yet honored for being indivduals..you are all angels ^i^

 

[Roxye]

My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

I don't think most of the world understands how usual this type of thing happens. The only thing that saves these predators from repeating their crimes is for a strong woman/girl being able to voice what happened to them!

Thank you for sharing your story!

 

[susan1122]

I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

I've read that, too.....maybe it was TM's mother or sister that said that?

 

[LucyOso]

Respectfully BBM.

Teresa M has been charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder plus two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

When and if I learn that TM is in the educable or borderline intellectual range, I likely would/will be willing to cut her a break. When and if I learn that TM has a mental issue which involves hallucinations, delusions, etc., I would/will be willing to cut her a break.

Emotional disabilities, poor self-esteem, poor reasoning abilities and/or learning differences will not let Teresa off the hook.

Not quite equivalent to actively participating in the preplanned abduction of children and the murder of one child and one family friend, assisting in transportation of the bodies (one probably drove JB's vehicle to hide it, one theirs, so she could've taken off to get help), and keeping said children captive.

I worked for years with special ed, learning disabled, mentally troubled and at-risk youth. Differently abled does not equate to lacking a conscience. Moo but the posts defending TM and suspecting GB are offensive and distracting. Two little terrified girls are being held captive.

These are all great points. We do need to be aware that if she does have a lower range IQ and is mentally ill, as evidenced by her FB post, she may be a victim in some ways as well. It is very possible for her to have been told AM IS the father of the children and believe it when he says he is protecting them and needs to take them. It seems as if TM was not around the family very much. She may not know the reality, especially if AM has fed her a bunch of crap over the years. She may have been convinced she was protecting them or doing them good. I also have worked with DD and MH populations and have seen just how easy it is to manipulate certain people into doing very bad things while convincing them they are doing the right thing. Seriously, how many people send money to the Nigerian prince scam email so they can be millionaires...LOL. And those are normal everyday people. TM may be a a victim, too...And if AM has a wife who is mentally challenged, then he obviously would feel threatened by those who are more intelligent then him...like a 14 year old...

I also agree we should focus on the kids as well. But, often it helps to try to get into the life and head of these perps to help us comprehend or figure out what the hello they are thinking...with the goal of saving the victims.

 

[MsFacetious]

I had to leave for an appointment during that press conference this afternoon.

I passed one of the FBI most wanted billboards for Adam Mayes.
In Salt Lake City, UT.

Visible from Northbound I-15.
It's just off of/east of I-15, about 2700 S.
Just before the 2100 S/1300 S/900 S exit and the I-80 exits right there.

I HOPE there is also one further south closer to Arizona... but I'm thinking they are all over the place.

However, they definitely had those billboards going before that press conference was even over. :twocents:

 

[susan1122]

I agree BeginnersLuck. First of all, just because someone has a motorcycle or wears a Harley-Davidson t-shirt does not mean they are a 1% Biker. Secondly, most 1% Biker clubs, obviously this is not what the media portrays, would not associate with or be brothers with someone who kills young teens and abducts little girls. Third, the amount of time AM spent interacting with this family would not make him eligible to be in a club as they require serious time commitment. Fourth, contrary to popular beliefs about "biker gangs" and "brotherhood" they actually would report something like this to police and would make sure justice is served. Fifth, most 1% are decent people, but, we always hear via sensational media about the one loose cannon and then we apply a stereotype to all. Just because one doctor, lawyer, rodeo cowboy, police officer etc kills someone does not mean we view all doctors, lawyers, rodeo cowboys, police officers etc as murders or bad guys...

I could go on and on, but the fact the guy has a motorcycle or had one, that happened to have ape hangers is more of a red herring then anything. :twocents:

I just wanted to mention that upstream someone mentioned that they thought they saw him a couple times in a 1% club......I think that is how that got started.

 

[Storm]

I'm sitting here feeling I need to say something but am at a loss for words.

No child should ever have to endure what you did. So glad you survived and apparently thrived despite it all

I did survive...with several loving real aunts and uncles who knew something was wrong.but in the 50's..sexual abuse, incest etc weren't talked about. I have been married 34 years, educated and have 3 sons, one an MD, one working on his PHD and the other working for Cisco. I am about the most blessed person I know. You never forget where you came from..but as an adult, you can control where you are going.
God, please save those angels and give them the strength and ability to live a full life ^i^

 

[susan1122]

I've been reading here for years..and posting seldom..but I think this is the most caring, compassionate and sincere group of people I've known...in a large group with varied opinions..yet honored for being indivduals..you are all angels ^i^

Storm, thanks for sharing your story. You are brave. No one should have to go through that....Especially as a child. I hope those 2 girls are strong. Whatever they are going through, it's not good.

 

[Kat]

I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

I've read that, too.....maybe it was TM's mother or sister that said that?

Thanks CG and susan!

If it had to be one, I was hoping it was the older of the two only because she's 12 and the younger one is only 8.

Hopefully he needs the 12 yr old (if only to placate in some way the 8 yr old, the one he is possibly fixated on). He must, or he wouldn't have kept her. JMHO.

It's also JMHO but he won't kill the one he is fixated on until either he has to (more probable) or he has satisfied his fixation enough to be done. KWIM?

I think it's likely that one or both could still be alive at this point in time. But, IMHO time is running out and I hope LE finds them quickly. all JMHO

 

[SoBeCzar]

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...ks-Out-About-Adam/NklA1__lU0i77PYRR98rww.cspx

Tate says she and her husband sent Teresa a bus ticket to come. When they picked up Teresa, she was covered in bruises. Tate now wonders if there were warning signs.

"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes

Don't know if this has been posted.

 

[CuriousGuy]

"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes


Just when I thought AM could not get any more vile and disgusting, along comes this revelation.

 

[LucyOso]

I just wanted to mention that upstream someone mentioned that they thought they saw him a couple times in a 1% club......I think that is how that got started.

Thanks, Susan. I missed that post. 1% often open their clubs to outside riders, the public and the media to help dispel the myths about them. Open house events, so people will see other community members there. Free hotdogs and a chance to feel cool...lol. Also, it is not uncommon for someone to be a hang-around for awhile to see if the club or person wants to pursue the relationship further. My guess is he attended some open house deal...it still doesn't make him a 1%er...

 

[susan1122]

"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes


Just when I thought AM could not get any more vile and disgusting, along comes this revelation.

Exactly. Ugh.

 

[suzier]

I noticed some were wondering, like myself, where AM was when they first questioned him. Plus, there was speculation why GB didn't go to AM for help.

Now we know TM drove everyone to MS. I think AM stayed behind to be ready on the spot with his "false report". I believe he was hanging out and attempting to divert attention.

When LE wanted to re-interview AM they still seemed to think JB left on her own. From the article it does sound like the TN LE had talked to him. I think he told them she went to Mexico. Early accounts quoted JB saying "please call we can work it out".

LE said: "As far as we know, there is no sign of foul play. We are not ruling anything out though. There is nothing saying you can't move to Mexico and change your name. There's nothing," he said.

Police continue to search Arizona, Tennessee and Mayes' town of Guntown, Miss. Doolan said Bain's husband and law enforcement hoped for a phone call soon.

"Right now, I got a concerned father. I don't care if it is a phone call, if she would just call and tell us I'm OK, I'll get a law enforcement officer to lay eyes on her and it will be over with." .

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-search-widens-missing-memphis-mom-daughters/story?id=16270151#.T6tYbNWiZqh

After reading many of the articles I am under the impression the family had moved to Arizona. Then after a relative passed away (I think JB father) they moved back to TN. They were planning on moving to AZ, again. I believe GB had planned on driving back to AZ with AM. The rest of the family would return after the girls finished school. IOW, I do think they girls should have been in school the day they went missing.

 

[butterfly1978]

[B"The kids would come to visit and he would have the girls in the bedroom and lock the door and not let my sister in there," said Booth. ][/B]

What the hay?? If true, and coupled with the disgusting viagra thing....this pretty much solves the pedo vs fantasy father debate. MOO

vomit

consider the source here before you decide, this is the woman who hasn't talked to her sister in 11 years and suddenly knows everything about her. I take this as a grain of salt.

 

[Curious Me]

I don't think AM has Marfan's. I think, especially given his mother seems to be very troubled as well, he probably has adult fetal alcohol syndrome.

-Small head
-Low nasal bridge
-Small eye openings
-Epicanthal folds
-Short nose
-Smooth philitrum
-Underdeveloped jaw
...
-Heart defects

Behavioral traits:

Lack of appropriate social behavior
Manipulative behavior
Places self and others in harms way
Likes to stir up chaos
No cause and effect thinking
Defiant
Failure in school
Poor eye contact
Low IQ
Hygiene issues
Poor memory
(More, but I snipped some that seemed most relevant)

As adults:

Lack of social skills
Inability to read body language
Inability to understand and obey the laws
Can’t take care of personal finances
Thrives in potentially dangerous situations
Inability to tell time on an analog watch
Unable to hold down a job
Sexually inappropriate behavior
Can’t follow directions
No resistance to peer pressure
“In your face” personality
Can’t learn to use public transportation
Likes living on the edge
Drug and alcohol abuse
Memory problems
Mental illness
Inability to focus
Forgets medications
Easily confused
Can’t live independently
Homelessness
Manipulative behavior
Lying and stealing
Victimization
Argumentative nature

http://kidstoadopt.org/adoption-resources/medical-conditions/about-fetal-alcohol-syndrome/

RBBM I found your post interesting, but had to look up philtrum. I think I see a smooth philtrum.
http://depts.washington.edu/fasdpn/htmls/lip-philtrum-guides.htm

 

[pieper4]

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...ks-Out-About-Adam/NklA1__lU0i77PYRR98rww.cspx

Tate says she and her husband sent Teresa a bus ticket to come. When they picked up Teresa, she was covered in bruises. Tate now wonders if there were warning signs.

"He does not believe in taking a bath, or shower, said he didn't like the feel of water on his skin," Tate said of Adam Mayes

Don't know if this has been posted.

He could just be a lazy, gross SOB. Or have a condition involving sensory issues wherein water on the skin caused incredible discomfort. Not like I personally care or think it's germane. Just thinkin' outloud.

 

[Bystander66]

This man has to eat, has to have gas if he is driving. Someone has to have seen him. Mom might know where he is. I cannot believe no one has seen him.

 

[Curious Me]

There's a big reward. Anyone that would've helped him should know his own mother and wife are behind bars for helping him. I hope he has no one he can count on, but then I worry if he starts to feel too desperate it will put the girls in even more serious danger. Oh, how I pray they find those girls alive soon.

 

[nomoresorrow]

My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

From one survivor to another... (((Storm)))