Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #7

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What I find quite bizarre LE discovers TC romantic draft emails, TC searching teen marriage, love post on IG and Twitter to each other in hashtag code but not any searches on either PC's of places to run off too and how they would go about this, perhaps a meeting place, date, time changes in plans etc.? They had to have discussed making their plans on some form of media unless it was only by face to face conversation or through another person. So weird. Can't they subpoena his or hers cell phone records text messages, etc since it's an aggravated kidnapping? Very strange

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Oh, I see. Thus the lecture about the situation being a crime. Got it.
In that case, at least Elizabeth is safer.
Also, maybe not a sexual relationship?
Don't jump all over me peeps but wouldn't it be a good thing if it were not sexual in nature?

They have not minced words about this. From the beginning, LE has said he groomed her for sexual exploitation.

Of course, It would be good if it weren't sexual in nature. I don't think anyone at all would disagree with that. But the facts are, it IS.
 
We're taking one guy's word (TC's former coworker), that TC is a narcissist.
I referred to him as a narcissist in a post too but I'm not a doctor nor do I know TC personally.
These sweeping judgments get out of hand at times imo.

This situation isn't a simple one and many people involved in Elizabeth's life could have done better.
Ultimately, the fifty year old TC is to blame but he has a story too and some of it was good until just recently.
Maybe we'll find out that's not the case later.
From all accounts, things were good with ET's home life now. The mother had a restraining order against her and has been charged and she was with her father.

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Really? False comment? It was said earlier that TN had this law, I was repeating what was way back several threads ago.

If we have to communicate this way, might be best we don't. Ask me for clarification if you don't understand, things that sound like accusations don't sit well with me, this is the 2nd time today.

No need to discuss it, we can either discuss without accusatory statements or not, up to you.


So, you repeated a false comment as if it were fact. You never even stated that is was your opinion.

You may be frustrated that I challenge statements that I find to be misleading and without much regard for clarity.

I am not here to make you either happy or unhappy.

I have, however, tried to be respectful and thank you for your helpful comments. I enjoy many of your post.

The above is my opinion only.
 
"Cops have said the emails were "romantic" and sexual in nature, so that ship is sailed.

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I think they walked that back in the PC. The LE who originally said it apologized for using the description earlier and described it as more like grooming IIRC.
TC did make one comment about a "body part"
Yes that's why I quoted romantic. The emails were clearly sexually oriented.

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Going on a mission would also be "cover as a missionary" if I heard that from the cops.

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yes, but churches usually have to approve it. Often a group goes....like a teen group.
 
With respect, saying "it was a mess before he knew it" portrays the situation as a passive one which TC just sort of fell into - which "happened" to him. It softens his culpability, IMO.

Let's be completely clear: He is a predator. He groomed the child for several months. Just like any child molester does. He worked on her insecurities and exploited her vulnerabilities. ET is within the demographic of a child at risk for sexual abuse. He knew what he was doing, had either had fantasies he reigned in in the past, never encountered a child as receptive to his advances and as uniquely vulnerable to them as ET, or has abused other children in the past and has not gotten caught.

This predator planned this kidnapping for a long time. His communications with the child illustrate a slick con man who knows exactly what he is doing and why, and has carefully manipulated the child for months, to get her where he wanted her.

Why did he take off? Well, he might very well have planned to simply sexually assault her and convince her to keep it quiet, like many molesters do, while remaining at his job and in his position in his family and community. It happens every day, sadly. But, either he may have realized it was all crashing down and being exposed, so he felt he had to run and greedily wanted to take her with him, or he became so obsessed with the "perfect victim" he found, that he took it to another level.

There is zero way, in my mind, that this predator hasn't acted inappropriately with other kids or online. He just hasn't been caught.

"Youths with histories of sexual or physicalabuse, and other troubled youths, may beparticularly vulnerable... Abused youths are more at risk forsexual victimization and exploitation in a variety of ways(Finkelhor, Ormrod, & Turner, 2007; Raj, Silverman, &Amaro, 2000). Abuse history could be related to emotionalneeds or developmental distortions that make some youthsless able to assess and more responsive to inappropriatesexual advances (Berliner & Elliott, 2002; Rogosch, Cicchetti,& Aber, 1995). Some such youths may be vulnerableto online sexual advances because they are looking forattention and affection (Lanning, 2002). In addition, childhoodtrauma is associated with adolescent risk behavior,including risky sexual behavior (Wolfe et al., 2006). Further,the youths interviewed for the YISS-2 who engaged inhigh-risk interactive behavior had high rates of a variety ofoffline problems, including rule-breaking behavior, depression,and social interaction problems at the clinical orborderline level as measured by the Child Behavior Checklist(Wolak et al., in press). So, the youths most at risk mayexhibit a wide range of problems. For some, prior abusemay trigger risky sexual behavior that directly invites onlinesexual advances. But delinquency, depression, andsocial interaction problems unrelated to abuse also mayincrease vulnerability." http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-632111.pdf


  • Perpetrators report that they look for passive, quiet, troubled, lonely children from single parent or broken homes (Budin & Johnson 1989).
  • Perpetrators frequently seek out children who are particularly trusting (Conte et al., 1987) and work proactively to establish a trusting relationship before abusing them (Budin & Johnson, 1989; Conte, Wolfe, & Smith, 1989; Elliott et al., 1995; Warner-Kearney, 1987). Not infrequently, this extends to establishing a trusting relationship with the victim’s family as well (Elliott et al., 1995).
  • Family structure is the most important risk factor in child sexual abuse. Children who live with two married biological parents are at low risk for abuse. The risk increases when children live with step-parents or a single parent. Children living without either parent (foster children) are 10 times more likely to be sexually abused than children that live with both biological parents. Children who live with a single parent that has a live-in partner are at the highest risk: they are 20 times more likely to be victims of child sexual abuse than children living with both biological parents (Sedlack, et. al., 2010).
http://www.cachouston.org/child-sexual-abuse-facts/



That's not what the kidnapping statute says though. That might be some political propaganda on the part of the DA but the law does not allow an adult to harbor a runaway. Totally illegal. It's a misdemeanor, but totally illegal.

The question is whether he can be popped for especially aggravated kidnapping which is where they talk about age. It is especially aggravated if the kid is under 13.

Also, as I linked before, federally, he can be charged for taking a minor or person across state lines for the purposes of committing a crime (sexual assault).

I outlined every charge that he may be liable for, on an earlier thread. There is no law that I am aware of in the US that allows an un-related adult, who is not a legal guardian and who does not have the consent of the legal guardian or parents, to take a minor out of the state, whether willingly or not.



She found out later.

Just want to add, he can also be charged with interfering with the custody of the minor. Again, I believe it's a misdemeanor. And age of consent in TN is 18, no if's ands or buts about it. So TN has some tough rules, but it's the punishment in regards to those rules that the family attorney is taking issue with, as I understand it. The problem is that in TN if you kidnap someone over the age of 13 it's a misdemeanor if the child is proven to have consented. It's still termed "kidnapping" but the punishment is a slap on the wrist. This is disturbing in a situation like this where the child was groomed. There is no law that provides for a minor to live with someone who doesn't have custody unless they have become emancipated. Even in marriage, when a minor marries the parents either relinquish custody or the state determines that the minor child is emancipated.
 
Going on a mission would also be "cover as a missionary" if I heard that from the cops.

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I'm only pointing out the unlikelyhood of them hiding on a mission. I have some knowledge with missions. Also my nephew's have missioned to Latin America. They are sponsored by families of the mission doers and you can't just join in unvetted.

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Can the disagreements please stop before mods shut down this thread?
 
It would be nice to think, and I believe the people in town are under that impression. However, you don't tell someone they have nice body parts and kiss them if it's not sexual. And I apologize in advance to her sister for saying this. It doesn't mean that I think anything sexual has happened, just putting aside any theory that he's mistakenly trying to "save" her.

(modsnip) Some other adult should have seen the signs.
We won't know the truth until they return/are found. Elizabeth was crying out for attention and not in a good way.
Yet when we see her helping her brother, she looks so adorable and sweet it is hard to connect her image with the Instagram account. I'm judging others too even though I know judging is bad - can't help myself.
 
I'm only pointing out the unlikelyhood of them hiding on a mission. I have some knowledge with missions. Also my nephew's have missioned to Latin America. They are sponsored by families of the mission doers and you can't just join in unvetted.

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Oh not necessarily that he would join one, but that he would tell people that is what he is doing.

That could also get him some backing with the locals there for groups that do come in and then he might join in to get some food and shelter.

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I have been following but not posting. I learned a lot from reading ET's father's Twitter account, especially from the tweets/replies to his last post 1 day ago. I'm surprised that information has not gotten more attention.
I've been following his Twitter as well...Lots of information. Until we find out from a mod if we can discuss it, we haven't been able to really dive into it yet.

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Just want to add, he can also be charged with interfering with the custody of the minor. Again, I believe it's a misdemeanor. And age of consent in TN is 18, no if's ands or buts about it. So TN has some tough rules, but it's the punishment in regards to those rules that the family attorney is taking issue with, as I understand it. The problem is that in TN if you kidnap someone over the age of 13 it's a misdemeanor if the child is proven to have consented. It's still termed "kidnapping" but the punishment is a slap on the wrist. This is disturbing in a situation like this where the child was groomed. There is no law that provides for a minor to live with someone who doesn't have custody unless they have become emancipated. Even in marriage, when a minor marries the parents either relinquish custody or the state determines that the minor child is emancipated.
Yes it is very disturbing and that issue in TN needs to be rectified immediately. Won't help this case, but can help others.

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I'm more confused than ever. Cummins showed up at the Thomas Family's house several times, unannounced and uninvited, and made the family uncomfortable? If that's the case, why were the police never called, or the school notified?

He forced Elizabeth to go to lunch with him by threatening to kick her out of his class if she didn't? But when the school ordered her to stay out of his class, she defied them and did it anyway?

Elizabeth thought Cummins was creepy...but she posted those draft emails and instagram hashtag codes anyway?

I feel like I'm being given so much conflicting information my head is about to come off.

What am I missing here?
 
I've been thinking about the phone pinging in Decatur, AL. As previously mentioned, what if this ping was intentional? What if it was intended to mislead everyone into thinking they were headed south, southwest, or southeast? What if they actually turned north after this? Going north doesn't seem likely when you mention Decatur, AL---so, in my mind, I could imagine TC doing exactly that in order to mislead/trick everyone. They would be out of place in Mexico, but what about Canada? How hard is it to cross the Canadian border? Maybe he changed vehicles in Decatur and then proceeded north. Just a thought....

The pinging in Decatur but none reported along I-65 is inconsistent. That does make me wonder if the ping was deliberate or an accident.

Also, the time it took from Columbia until the ping in Decatur is interesting. That lag does not indicate a rush to escape.

This leads me to think that Tad did not anticipate the AA.

The above is my opinion only.
 
From all accounts, things were good with ET's home life now. The mother had a restraining order against her and has been charged and she was with her father.

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It is too late to start fathering when a girl is 15 years old. I'm not trying to be mean but everyone keeps saying her home life was so good now - that's not what her messages indicated. Plus I don't know the history. Like where were people when the mom was doing bad parenting? Why not go tell the dad before things got out of hand? How many dads are there? It's complicated I'm sure.
 
I've been thinking about the phone pinging in Decatur, AL. As previously mentioned, what if this ping was intentional? What if it was intended to mislead everyone into thinking they were headed south, southwest, or southeast? What if they actually turned north after this? Going north doesn't seem likely when you mention Decatur, AL---so, in my mind, I could imagine TC doing exactly that in order to mislead/trick everyone. They would be out of place in Mexico, but what about Canada? How hard is it to cross the Canadian border? Maybe he changed vehicles in Decatur and then proceeded north. Just a thought....
This has actually been my thought all along.

I said earlier that if TC went West or even North it seems like it will take longer to find them.

I know someone quoted me asking why I felt that way and it's because from someone who lives in the North...It's not getting much attention here. At least not where I am at. I have asked many people if they have heard of the AA. And no one has. If not for WS, I'd be clueless.

If the phone pinging in Decatur was a decoy. Then it seems to be working.

While I understand the reasoning behind the Mexico theories I can't help but wonder why so much time is spent wondering about crossing borders into a foreign country yet 3/4 of the US isn't really being discussed as a possibility.

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I'm more confused than ever. Cummins showed up at the Thomas Family's house several times, unannounced and uninvited, and made the family uncomfortable? If that's the case, why were the police never called, or the school notified?

He forced Elizabeth to go to lunch with him by threatening to kick her out of his class if she didn't? But when the school ordered her to stay out of his class, she defied them and did it anyway?

Elizabeth thought Cummins was creepy...but she posted those draft emails and instagram hashtag codes anyway?

I feel like I'm being given so much conflicting information my head is about to come off.

What am I missing here?
Some of that is likely the gaslighting I'm sure TC did to EC. A good gaslighter against someone that doesn't recognize that, can make the victim think they are the crazy one.

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This has actually been my thought all along.

I said earlier that if TC went West or even North it seems like it will take longer to find them.

I know someone quoted me asking why I felt that way and it's because from someone who lives in the North...It's not getting much attention here. At least not where I am at. I have asked many people if they have heard of the AA. And no one has. If not for WS, I'd be clueless.

If the phone pinging in Decatur was a decoy. Then it seems to be working.

While I understand the reasoning behind the Mexico theories I can't help but wonder why so much time is spent wondering about crossing borders into a foreign country yet 3/4 of the US isn't really being discussed as a possibility.

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Crossing borders to a location like that seems to be what TC was really obsessed with. He has been obsessed with beaches and water. Also in some countries, marriage is legal between them, also some countries might not cooperate with extradition if he is found.

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Oh not necessarily that he would join one, but that he would tell people that is what he is doing.

That could also get him some backing with the locals there for groups that do come in and then he might join in to get some food and shelter.

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Totally unsure of where your going here, but ok. We all have the same goals, so peace. I just thought I could offer up my knowledge as to what a mission entails.

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