Found Safe TN - MCET, 15, Abducted by Teacher, in Maury County, 13 March 2017 #17 *ARREST*

[Gardenista]

I know very sad. I noticed most of her photographs was when she was younger. Was ET aware her family had a cctv camera and that it would record her leaving that day?

I'm guilty of that. I rarely have photos printed out anymore. We're all eternally young in the photos I have framed

 

[Whiteorchids]

Not to parse, but I *believe* today she may be 16. Read in a recent article that she just celebrated her 16th bday sometime in the last week or so. Glad for her dad's sake she was back in TN to celebrate it.

I wonder if she will be applying for her provisional drivers license soon? Has that ever been mentioned?

 

[Gardenista]

I wonder if she will be applying for her provisional drivers license soon? Has that ever been mentioned?

She was working on it. Her dad said the main photo they used when she was missing came from the license branch.

 

[Kapua]

MCET's birthday is May 17, IIRC.

 

[Bently]

I think growing up in a big family (especially in a small house) can sometimes warp your understanding of privacy. I lived at my grandma's house with 6 other people (and at one point 8 other people) and I had very little privacy. I shared a room with my grandma and cousin and our room didn't even have a door at one point. I had no privacy. I couldn't write in a journal without others finding it and reading it. None of the kids could do anything without someone else knowing. If this was me and people were sharing things from my room, I would have been embarassed but it would just be par for the course with me and another item in the long list of reasons my childhood sucked.

Is this the case with ET? I don't know but maybe it is. Maybe she never knew what privacy was anyway and it won't be devastating to her. Or maybe it will be gut wrenchingly embarassing and she will be devastated. I don't know. I just hope by the time she has access to the media that it will be long forgotten by most people.

I was speaking through experience as 8 kids in my family, 10 in all, with shared overcrowded rooms too without privacy - and both my parents were in the school system ...

- yet my point is not the family privacy at all.

My point was it was shared with the world.

And the other point was not that it was perhaps going to be long forgotten by most people, (her classmates that bully her will forget it when she returns to school perhaps?)....

it is what SHE feels when she finds this out., and she indeed will

 

[Mercedes]

And we know Attorneys NEVER lie :laughing:

That would be perpetrating a fraud upon the court (if in court or court documents) and that is quite unethical. IMPO

 

[Kapua]

Check the wording on the Motion in Support of Detention:

https://www.scribd.com/document/346...-in-Support-of-Detention-Filed-002#from_embed

The defendant admitted to the following facts: -

<snipped>
The defendant had plans to attempt to escape across the United States border to Mexico. He then planned to seek passage to countries further south of Mexico. In furtherance of this plan, the defendant procured a small watercraft and conducted a test run to cross into Mexico across the water from San Diego. The defendant also considered the feasibility of a land crossing into Mexico.

^ This is the word of TC; what he told the police. Notice that the section begins with "the defendant admitted to..." So where is the kayak? Did he buy it? Rent it? If rented, from who?

 

[Bently]

Yes we have. The family attorney said ET was in "Mexican waters" with TC.

And the WM video was from before they left

BBM,

I missed that.

Link anyone?

TIA

https://youtu.be/ciyhd7nmZ5U

Fast forward to 27:00 min.
He planned to go to Mexico by boat because MCET didn't have a passport and continue to Panama.

MOO

Thanks Pamela, I was aware of his "plans", and aware that he took a test run... yet my inquiry was if there was a link to that she was in Mexican waters. I hadn't heard that before.

ETA: Scrolling down and someone says it is within the Nancy Grace/Crime Online podcast... didn't hear that before and hadn't seen in print

 

[DexterMorgan]

BBM -

The family attorney told the press that... re shower/bathing

"“I was so shocked when I saw her first,” Whatley said. “I didn’t know it but she was even smaller than she was used to be being. She [had] lost a lot [of weight].”

He added that it appeared that Thomas had not showered or bathed the entire time she was gone."

http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/elizabeth-thomas-ate-wildflowers-to-survive-tipster-saw-tad-cummins-kissing-her

http://people.com/crime/elizabeth-thomas-ate-wildflowers-to-survive-and-was-in-fragile-condition-while-missing-lawyer/

Why would the family attorney tell the private information of our baby gal to the press?

Yuk.

The trial will tell us this once it goes to court in 6 months. Jmo

 

[citigirl]

It was a comprehensive piece tht gave us more info as to who ET is, what life was like for her before she left, why she may have been targeted by TC, etc.

It was a worthwhile view for me.




I wish the reason for their fear had been explained.



Many people have not swam across the border. And while people kayak in the ocean do most of them typically kayak that far out into the ocean or typically into rougher, heavier waters? I'm kind of remembering something about not kayaking out frther than you can swim back.

Also, how much experience could TC have had in ocean kayaking. Tennessee doesn't border an ocean.

In order to get around border patrol and border guards it seems they were saying they would have had to paddle too far out for it to be feasible.

Possible? People survive on surfboards and lifeboats in rough waters. But the risk would've been very high and I'm getting the sense that any experienced kayaker would've known quickly how dangerous it was, I think.

I could be wrong.

He might have had some experience in a kayak on his vacations on the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[Bently]

Check the wording on the Motion in Support of Detention:

https://www.scribd.com/document/346...-in-Support-of-Detention-Filed-002#from_embed

The defendant admitted to the following facts: -

<snipped>
The defendant had plans to attempt to escape across the United States border to Mexico. He then planned to seek passage to countries further south of Mexico. In furtherance of this plan, the defendant procured a small watercraft and conducted a test run to cross into Mexico across the water from San Diego. The defendant also considered the feasibility of a land crossing into Mexico.

^ This is the word of TC; what he told the police. Notice that the section begins with "the defendant admitted to..." So where is the kayak? Did he buy it? Rent it? If rented, from who?

Perhaps this is where :websleuther: diverge in their interpretation. Some read this as ET went into Mexican waters with TC, but I read it as perhaps he procured and perhaps "started" a test run to cross, (it doesn't say "and crossed"... just said "to cross") but perhaps only went a few hundred/thousand yards in US waters and realized it could not be done.

I don't read at all that they both crossed successfully into Mexican waters as others are assuming.

We all read things into things differently, as always... :moo:

 

[Gardenista]

Thanks Pamela, I was aware of his "plans", and aware that he took a test run... yet my inquiry was if there was a link to that she was in Mexican waters. I hadn't heard that before.

ETA: Scrolling down and someone says it is within the Nancy Grace/Crime Online podcast... didn't hear that before and hadn't seen in print

It's the April 25 podcast.

 

[Whiteorchids]

How long does it usually take high profile cases in Tenn to finally go to trial. I know the Holly Bobo case is finally going to start. Here in Cali 3-4 yrs or more. The McStay family murder trial, Charles Merritt charged still hasn't gone to trial and most of us know how long it's been. Ugh.

 

[Bently]

How long does it usually take high profile cases in Tenn to finally go to trial. I know the Holly Bobo case is finally going to start. Here in Cali 3-4 yrs or more. The McStay family murder trial, Charles Merritt charged still hasn't gone to trial and most of us know how long it's been. Ugh.

Assuming federal case will be first, :dunno: as haven't followed timelines of Fed cases here much on WS.

 

[Gardenista]

MCPS release new protocols for students, teachers

http://www.columbiadailyherald.com/news/20170507/mcps-release-new-protocols-for-students-teachers

 

[Kapua]

Perhaps this is where :websleuther: diverge in their interpretation. Some read this as ET went into Mexican waters with TC, but I read it as perhaps he procured and perhaps "started" a test run to cross, (it doesn't say "and crossed"... just said "to cross") but perhaps only went a few hundred/thousand yards in US waters and realized it could not be done.

I don't read at all that they both crossed successfully into Mexican waters as others are assuming.

We all read things into things differently, as always... :moo:

I read it this way:

TC told the authorities the following:

He planned to go to Mexico with MCET, and planned to go countries farther south than Mexico. He rented a kayak and conducted a test run. Unclear as to when and where this supposed test run occurred and whether or not MCET accompanied him on the test run.

If you watched the 20/20 piece on YouTube, you saw the typical ocean conditions in the area.

If he really did rent a kayak and seriously think that he and MCET could cross into Mexico from San Diego this way, then he should have considered that MCET had never seen, much less kayaked in the ocean before. So we would have the guy who has kayaked 3 or 4 times and the first-timer out on the rough Pacific Ocean. IMHO, this would not be a trip for a beginning, or even an inexperienced kayaker.

I'm not 100% convinced that the trip ever took place, but that's just me. We will eventually find out.

 

[Bently]

It's the April 25 podcast.

I found the link you were referencing at
http://www.crimeonline.com/podcast/

From now listening to the podcast from April 25, 2017 -

Nancy with Jason Watley - at 20:20 in the feed...

What can you tell me Jason about what we are learning from the US attys office that he had actually planned to get a watercraft, a boat of some sort and leave and get to Mexico with her ...........

Whatley "Well, he did get a watercraft as I... that's my understanding. He did get one and there was some sort of test run. I don't know if he rented it or bought it, I thought he purchased some sort of watercraft. And he went into Mexican waters, that's my understanding, with her. You know again, this is all part of this fantasy idea of his. "

(ETA: More disclaimers than a new drug on late night television with each tidbit as "I don't know","It's my understanding", "I thought", "this is all part of this fantasy")

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OK... So in my reading of this, the lawyer is ONLY referring to his understanding of what he had learned from the US atty's office in what he was speaking to.

In addition, at 21:33 in this podcast, he states that he doesn't even know what the watercraft was.

This again reinforces that he does NOT know or have knowledge from any source that they (or even he) went into Mexican waters... he prefaces and follows with "my understanding" vs. stating as a fact that they did and I do not think he has information from TC nor ET nor the feds other that the same documents as we have to come to a conclusion.

Sidenote: I noted that the lawyer said she left due to ridicule..... and now how ironic... after this past week there is new information put out there as to her private bedroom and her unicorn bedding and her blanket that she perhaps took secretly to school and syringes etc. are put out there for ridicule. SMH

:moo: :cow:

 

[mpnola]

This is just my opinion, but school kids were calling her *advertiser censored* (per 20/20) for teacher perv kissing her. Now the whole world knows teacher perv transported her for sex, got KY and used Cialis. Her social media has been posted and picked apart. I think her deepest moments have been shattered. I would only hope people would talk about my blanket so they wouldn't talk about the other horrors. I have a feeling that is the least of her worries. Just my opinion.

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[gitana1]

So was it important for the press to tell us that she didn't bathe for 2 weeks while this case isn't even going to be tried in front of a jury for months?


So we call her a underage victim but LE and the press can't hold out on certain privacy information until this case goes to court in front of a jury months from now?

Come on.

I wonder what her psychs think of all this and what they are advising the family.

This is just my opinion, but school kids were calling her *advertiser censored* (per 20/20) for teacher perv kissing her. Now the whole world knows teacher perv transported her for sex, got KY and used Cialis. Her social media has been posted and picked apart. I think her deepest moments have been shattered. I would only hope people would talk about my blanket so they wouldn't talk about the other horrors. I have a feeling that is the least of her worries. Just my opinion.

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True. But you never know what will be the straw that broke the camel's back. This is all so overwhelming for a teen. It's very sad. Repeated exploitation. It's hard for me at this point to know how this kid is going to be able to recover sufficiently enough to function with so much betrayal of her innocence and trust happening.

I mean I understand why they may be revealing all this stuff. It could be strategic. ET will have to live in the area for a couple more years and it's clear that before she even left she was branded with a scarlet letter as the seductress who tried to break up an upstanding, Christian family.

I think they are doing all they can to show the world that indeed, ET is a
child and is the victim in this case.

Clearly, based on the actions of the school in not protecting her (my God, they let her go on a field trip with the predator), the bullying by students and staff and the comments of his wife in blaming the kid, she is not seen as the one who was harmed but rather, as the one who caused the harm.

Ugh. I just wish this family could move far away. To a town where newcomers aren't ostracized, isolated and bullied. To a region where people are better educated and not as narrow minded.

To me its a godforsaken place.

 

[KaaBoom]

It was a comprehensive piece tht gave us more info as to who ET is, what life was like for her before she left, why she may have been targeted by TC, etc.

It was a worthwhile view for me.




I wish the reason for their fear had been explained.



Many people have not swam across the border. And while people kayak in the ocean do most of them typically kayak that far out into the ocean or typically into rougher, heavier waters? I'm kind of remembering something about not kayaking out frther than you can swim back.

Also, how much experience could TC have had in ocean kayaking. Tennessee doesn't border an ocean.

In order to get around border patrol and border guards it seems they were saying they would have had to paddle too far out for it to be feasible.

Possible? People survive on surfboards and lifeboats in rough waters. But the risk would've been very high and I'm getting the sense that any experienced kayaker would've known quickly how dangerous it was, I think.

I could be wrong.

I disagree that many people have not swam across the border. Here is a video of MANY people swimming across the border. Kayaks are involved too. Before the fence was put in the ocean, it was even easier. Even with that, everyday people still swim across the border.

[video=youtube;hGTJtSNga5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGTJtSNga5M[/video]