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Stunning new reports say the supposedly amicable divorce and custody agreement between Hollywood superstars Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes is a sham that isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

“Tom was beginning to audit Suri behind [Holme’s] back,” the source said, referring to the Scientology practice that supposedly cures people of any mental and emotional problems and sets them on a path to enlightenment.
 
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/tom_has_plans_report_keep_to_keep_glZD4sjmAUzl3bVfuzAJJM

Stunning new reports say the supposedly amicable divorce and custody agreement between Hollywood superstars Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes is a sham that isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

“Tom was beginning to audit Suri behind [Holme’s] back,” the source said, referring to the Scientology practice that supposedly cures people of any mental and emotional problems and sets them on a path to enlightenment.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Hopefully she's got a clause that she can disconnect HIM if he exposes her to any scientology stuff.
 
I know this is O/T-But is Victoria Beckham a S?

Not officially although they have been recruiting her and husband for years I dont think they have ever officially joined, sort of the same with Will Smith he is sort of an unofficial member but hasnt made the full commitment yet.

COS is in decline TC is getting old and the young new hollywood elite who grew up on internet in the age of anonymous and project Chanology doesnt seem to be falling for it as much, its a dying animal.
 
Here's another robbery done by the COS; http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1201168.ece

How much do you have in the bank?

"Anywhere else in society … it's a very rude, invasive, kind of offensive question," Brian Culkin said.

Not in the Church of Scientology.

Culkin balked when fundraisers for the International Association of Scientologists questioned him about his bank balance in the summer of 2009. But they kept pressing.

Why don't you just tell us?

What are you hiding?

Culkin trusted his new friends at Scientology's Flag Land Base in Clearwater, so he gave in and told them.

The six-figure sum got the attention of Flag's "registrars," the religious workers who collect payments for church services and solicit donations for Scientology causes....
 
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/campus/index.shtml
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#1 The "Super Power" building

A new Scientology landmark set to open soon on Fort Harrison Avenue. Also known as the Flag Mecca or Flag Building. In 2009, immediately after Brian Culkin arrived from Boston, a church staffer pressed him repeatedly to give $35,000 to help pay for this building. Culkin reluctantly gave $5,000. The 377,000-square-foot building will house more than 300 counseling rooms, 22 course rooms, a staff mess hall, a chapel, a book store, an atrium, lounge areas and a darkened indoor running track for a program known as the "Cause Resurgence Rundown." On the top floors, parishioners will be offered 12 "Super Power" processes called "rundowns" that promise to "put the person into a new realm of ability."

#2 The Fort Harrison Hotel

A landmark at 210 S Fort Harrison Ave. for more than 80 years. Scientology purchased the hotel in 1975 and re-dedicated it in 2009 after a $40-million upgrade. It has 220 guest rooms, a grand lobby, a newly refurbished auditorium and a ballroom on the top floor. Former Scientologist Brian Culkin recounts how church fundraisers repeatedly pressured him for money in the Fort Harrison in 2009. The hotel also was home at one time to Hy Levy's supervisors and fellow "registrars."

#3 The Sandcastle

A waterfront building at 200 N Osceola Ave. containing a hotel and counseling rooms for the advanced levels of Scientology. This is where Hy Levy spent his 16 years as a church "registrar," selling Scientology counseling in 12 1/2-hour packages called "intensives." Sometimes supervisors sent him to the Sandcastle galley to wash pots when he didn't hit church financial targets.

#4 The Oak Cove

A 13-story building at 210 S Osceola Ave. housing 240 guest rooms and space for Scientology counseling. Opened in 2008. Hy Levy's supervisor was in the Oak Cove, where she listened in on his sales pitches at the nearby Sandcastle building via hidden microphones. Brian Culkin said the Oak Cove is where large groups of church fundraisers cornered him, pushing him to donate money.
 
Pax, I so appreciate and value your POV on the scientology issue. I would never criticize anyone's quest for spirituality. But, IMO, the COS is so blatantly a pyramid scheme, and I do take issue with the gullibility of the folks who fall for that.

Say what you will about other major organized religions, but they don't charge for faith - or stages of faith.

IMO, living a good, clean, faithful and spiritual life isn't really complicated and isn't something that requires "inside" information or a monetary investment. I'm not a religious person at all, but I know right from wrong and I know how to treat other people and I know how to live my life.

It's not religion, necessarily. It's common sense - a lost cause, it would seem.
 
http://markrathbun.files.wordpress....erview_with_lana_mitchell_17b1u9r-17b1u9t.pdf

I don't know if this has been posted-but you guys got to read this!!

This seems like a very intelligent lady would you agree, please note that ALL of her complaints are about DM and COS, when asked about SCIENTOLOGY itself as a practice and philosophy this is what she has to say:


On her faith in Scientology and L Ron Hubbard:
“Look, it‟s a silly question in my view because if you had a man and he invented…
let‟s say he invented a tractor and the tractor worked and the tractor could plough the
fields and could do what you wanted to do with it, you wouldn‟t sit back and evaluate
the tractor and say well did the guy who invented the tractor did he really do this, did
he really do that?”
“To me, I look at the body of work, I look at what he produced in his lifetime, I look
at the technology, the philosophy itself and I say does it work for me? Yes it does.”


I find that quite telling, we cant overlook that little tidbit and only focus on all the bad stuff she has to say about COS and DM, if we are to believe this is a sane woman who is telling the truth than we also have to believe she is sane enough to know that the philosophy as a tool if used properly does work and can be helpful to her and others in many and various ways. Which is to say that Scientology is not bad, its misuse is and the altered form of it being practiced by the COS most certainly is.
 
Here's another robbery done by the COS; http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1201168.ece

How much do you have in the bank?

"Anywhere else in society … it's a very rude, invasive, kind of offensive question," Brian Culkin said.

Not in the Church of Scientology.

Culkin balked when fundraisers for the International Association of Scientologists questioned him about his bank balance in the summer of 2009. But they kept pressing.

Why don't you just tell us?

What are you hiding?

Culkin trusted his new friends at Scientology's Flag Land Base in Clearwater, so he gave in and told them.

The six-figure sum got the attention of Flag's "registrars," the religious workers who collect payments for church services and solicit donations for Scientology causes....

Snipped from the article:

A New York-based "Flag service consultant" named Charlie Bills pushed him to buy "the L's," an intensive counseling regimen available only in Clearwater. The price tag: $80,000. Culkin was miffed by Bills' aggressive approach, and says he was well aware that Scientology had its problems. That intrigued him all the more.
"I thought, 'Well, God, if they're saying all these bad things, I want to figure out for myself if that's actually true.' "



"I grew up in an Irish Catholic family. I was an altar boy. I still go to Mass occasionally," Culkin said. "But I've never in my life had a priest personally bring me into his office and say, 'We need $50,000 right now.' "

People who get into cults are almost always "on a spiritual journey". But even though many/most seem to be college educated, they just seem to lack common sense and smarts to me.

I mean, here's a guy who is annoyed by an aggressive power pitch and who is well aware of all the criticism, but forges ahead because "if they're saying all these bad things, I want to figure out for myself if that's actually true". That sounds like the excuse a 17 year old girl makes for why she hooked up with a notorious "bad boy" who later started beating the tar out of her.

How does that make any sense at all? And then his annoyance is increased and clearly all the criticism is proved true because when he arrives at their sales center in Clearwater, he is hounded to death over a period of what, months? And what does he do in response? He gives away more and more of his savings until he ends up with nothing left. Wow.

You know, if I hear that a group is a cult, that's not going to make me want to go join them or go on their turf and let them "teach" me. And if any organization, religion or self-help group tells me that the way to salvation or freedom is for them to have control of my pocketbook or my day-to-day life - what I eat, the medication I take, my sex life, who I speak to, what I read, how much time I spend working for them - I run the other way.

I'm not a joiner, not fond of belonging to a group in which everyone thinks the same way and I am not fooled by flash, silver tongues or pressure tactics. So none of this makes sense to me and I have a very difficult time understanding how an intelligent person can be sucked in.

But then again, I am a Spanish-Gypsy and in our culture, we are taught from the time we are small how not to be conned, how to always be alert for danger and avoid it and to never trust anyone outside our culture or family. And, we are exposed to how to get people to see things a certain way or do certain things.

We call suckers "primo" which means "cousin". The term is used in a friendly way to someone unrelated who you like but it can also be used to call some easy mark a sucker - without him knowing it. The context and subtle inflection tells other Gypsies how you are using the term but the mark wouldn't know it.

Perhaps, then, my background made me especially immune to cults? I don't know, but I just don't get it. Doesn't a person have to be super, super naive, super, super emotionally vulnerable, super narcissistic and/or lacking in streets smarts and common sense of any kind to fall for these classic shoe salesmen techniques?

Help me out here. I want to be understanding but how the heck does this happen?
 
This seems like a very intelligent lady would you agree, please note that ALL of her complaints are about DM and COS, when asked about SCIENTOLOGY itself as a practice and philosophy this is what she has to say:

I find that quite telling, we cant overlook that little tidbit and only focus on all the bad stuff she has to say about COS and DM, if we are to believe this is a sane woman who is telling the truth than we also have to believe she is sane enough to know that the philosophy as a tool if used properly does work and can be helpful to her and others in many and various ways. Which is to say that Scientology is not bad, its misuse is and the altered form of it being practiced by the COS most certainly is.

Yes, let's just label her as a nut and move on.

Really? That's what they want, right?
 
Slightly OT, (and this may have already been brought up) but.. did you know that Clearwater FL has the most lightning strikes per capita than any other place in the world? Recently I was at a conference in Orlando and the first speaker was telling us facts about Florida as kind of an introduction. Anyhow when she said this one, the first thing I thought was Clearwater, the home base of Scientology! It kind of tickled me to think of all the times when I was growing up my Aunt would say "if you tell a lie God will strike you down with lightning".. Now I'm thinking old Auntie was not as crazy as I once thought.... LOL
 
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People who get into cults are almost always "on a spiritual journey". But even though many/most seem to be college educated, they just seem to lack common sense and smarts to me.

I mean, here's a guy who is annoyed by an aggressive power pitch and who is well aware of all the criticism, but forges ahead because "if they're saying all these bad things, I want to figure out for myself if that's actually true". That sounds like the excuse a 17 year old girl makes for why she hooked up with a notorious "bad boy" who later started beating the tar out of her.

How does that make any sense at all? And then his annoyance is increased and clearly all the criticism is proved true because when he arrives at their sales center in Clearwater, he is hounded to death over a period of what, months? And what does he do in response? He gives away more and more of his savings until he ends up with nothing left. Wow.

You know, if I hear that a group is a cult, that's not going to make me want to go join them or go on their turf and let them "teach" me. And if any organization, religion or self-help group tells me that the way to salvation or freedom is for them to have control of my pocketbook or my day-to-day life - what I eat, the medication I take, my sex life, who I speak to, what I read, how much time I spend working for them - I run the other way.

I'm not a joiner, not fond of belonging to a group in which everyone thinks the same way and I am not fooled by flash, silver tongues or pressure tactics. So none of this makes sense to me and I have a very difficult time understanding how an intelligent person can be sucked in.

But then again, I am a Spanish-Gypsy and in our culture, we are taught from the time we are small how not to be conned, how to always be alert for danger and avoid it and to never trust anyone outside our culture or family. And, we are exposed to how to get people to see things a certain way or do certain things.

We call suckers "primo" which means "cousin". The term is used in a friendly way to someone unrelated who you like but it can also be used to call some easy mark a sucker - without him knowing it. The context and subtle inflection tells other Gypsies how you are using the term but the mark wouldn't know it.

Perhaps, then, my background made me especially immune to cults? I don't know, but I just don't get it. Doesn't a person have to be super, super naive, super, super emotionally vulnerable, super narcissistic and/or lacking in streets smarts and common sense of any kind to fall for these classic shoe salesmen techniques?

Help me out here. I want to be understanding but how the heck does this happen?

I want to understand too, Gitana. Guess I never will. Again, common sense would preclude most normal folks from falling for this nonsense.

I'm guessing they find those who are vulnerable and seeking assistance to prey on.

Hey TC! I'm thinking whatever massive contributions you make to your "church" annually makes you an accessory to the crimes they conduct.

Where is Shelly Miscavige?
 
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People who get into cults are almost always "on a spiritual journey". But even though many/most seem to be college educated, they just seem to lack common sense and smarts to me.

I mean, here's a guy who is annoyed by an aggressive power pitch and who is well aware of all the criticism, but forges ahead because "if they're saying all these bad things, I want to figure out for myself if that's actually true". That sounds like the excuse a 17 year old girl makes for why she hooked up with a notorious "bad boy" who later started beating the tar out of her.

How does that make any sense at all? And then his annoyance is increased and clearly all the criticism is proved true because when he arrives at their sales center in Clearwater, he is hounded to death over a period of what, months? And what does he do in response? He gives away more and more of his savings until he ends up with nothing left. Wow.

You know, if I hear that a group is a cult, that's not going to make me want to go join them or go on their turf and let them "teach" me. And if any organization, religion or self-help group tells me that the way to salvation or freedom is for them to have control of my pocketbook or my day-to-day life - what I eat, the medication I take, my sex life, who I speak to, what I read, how much time I spend working for them - I run the other way.

I'm not a joiner, not fond of belonging to a group in which everyone thinks the same way and I am not fooled by flash, silver tongues or pressure tactics. So none of this makes sense to me and I have a very difficult time understanding how an intelligent person can be sucked in.

But then again, I am a Spanish-Gypsy and in our culture, we are taught from the time we are small how not to be conned, how to always be alert for danger and avoid it and to never trust anyone outside our culture or family. And, we are exposed to how to get people to see things a certain way or do certain things.

We call suckers "primo" which means "cousin". The term is used in a friendly way to someone unrelated who you like but it can also be used to call some easy mark a sucker - without him knowing it. The context and subtle inflection tells other Gypsies how you are using the term but the mark wouldn't know it.

Perhaps, then, my background made me especially immune to cults? I don't know, but I just don't get it. Doesn't a person have to be super, super naive, super, super emotionally vulnerable, super narcissistic and/or lacking in streets smarts and common sense of any kind to fall for these classic shoe salesmen techniques?

Help me out here. I want to be understanding but how the heck does this happen?

Yeah, I thought the guy was a major fool too. Ok, you want to find out if it's true that it's all about money. Well, they keep hounding you about how much money you have in the bank and that doesn't make you run away? :waitasec: You've already gotten your answer. :banghead:

One recurring theme that comes through all of these articles, and documentaries, is that ex-members never tell the truth about the COS, EVER! I read one article where an ex member said something the church denied, but later the COS says something exactly the same. I wish I had linked and put the quotes into a post.
 
http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1201177.ece

The church didn't disclose how many sets of Basics have been sold, but it said more people have read Hubbard's reissued works in the last few years than had read the scriptures in the five decades before.

The books and CDs are made available to parishioners "as close to 'at cost' as possible," the church said. They are produced at Scientology plants in Los Angeles and Denmark....


BBM

:laughcry:

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-5a.htm

...Hubbard's writings have become a means by which to spread his name in a society that often equates celebrity with credibility. It is not with whimsy that the church often calls its spiritual father "New York Times best-selling author L. Ron Hubbard."...

...Sheldon McArthur, former manager of B. Dalton Booksellers on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles, said, "Whenever the sales seem to slacken and a (Hubbard) book goes off the bestsellers list, give it a week and we'll get these people coming in buying 50 to 100 to 200 copies at a crack -- cash only."

After Hubbard's first novel, a Western adventure called "Buckskin Brigades," was re-released in 1987, the book "just sat there," recalled McArthur, whose store was across from a Scientology center.

"Then, in one week, it was gone," he said. "We started getting calls asking, 'You got 'Buckskin Brigades?' " I said, 'Sure, we got them.' 'You got a hundred of them?' 'Sure,' I said, 'here's a case.' "

Gary Hamel, B. Dalton's former manager at Santa Monica Place, had similar experiences. He said that "10 people would come in at a time and buy quantities of them and they would pay cash."

Hamel also speculated that some copies of a Hubbard science fiction novel were sold more than once.

He said that while he was working at the B. Dalton in Hollywood, some books shipped by Hubbard's publishing house arrived with B. Dalton price stickers already on them. He said this indicated to him that the books had been purchased at one of the chain's outlets, then returned to the publishing house and shipped out for resale before anyone thought to remove the stickers....


I do have to marvel at the cunning behind so much of their horse doo-doo.
 
BTW, after reading and watching and listening to a lot of scientology related stuff recently, I think I've figured something out. Take away the shenanigans of the COS and the spaceman stuff and what your left with is a fairly common practice.

To me, all scientology does for someone is the exact same thing psychiatrists and psychologists do for their patients, minus any prescriptions. Basically you are confronting bad memories and debilitating fears and talking about them, with an auditor or psychiatric person, and dealing with them until you've processed them enough that they don't bother you anymore.

I think this is why scientology is so afraid of the psychiatric profession. While a psychiatrist is very expensive to most people, scientology is astronomically expensive.

I believe the COS is afraid of drugs too because if someone is mentally unstable due to a chemical imbalance it's easier for the COS to keep seducing them with promises of a cure. If someone feels better because they are given meds to counteract any chemical imbalances then they might not feel the need for the COS.

If the scientology approach works for someone then that's great. If the psychiatric approach works that's great too. If just talking to a family member works that's great. The only time it becomes a problem is when it is set up to prey on these people instead of help them. JMO
 
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