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In planning his life with Holmes, "I wanted someone you could share everything with," he said


Well, we have certainly had to share everything with them, haven't we?

I'm surprised they haven't invited reporters in to watch them have sex...if they do. :doh:
 
Jeana (DP) said:
From what I've heard, Scientologists don't have a problem with medication. Tom says that if Katie needs an epidural during the birth, no problem. From what I understand, he just has a problem with psychiatric drugs.
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Apparently, TC is anti-drugs, not from a religious standpoint, just a personal stance. I read this morning that he said, "If she needs it, she'll get it."

I am willing to bet she has already been 'trained' not to need it.

I'll say this - whoever the PR person is that kept all of this quiet for the last however many years must be the most sought after rep in history.
 
Pocono Sleuther said:
:laugh: Remember that wonderful burning feeling when the baby's crowning...OUCH! I thought I was gonna die. I'd love to see Mr. Cruise give birth to a watermelon out of his *advertiser censored** without screaming. :crazy:
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Thanks for the reminder... I had almost forgotten, until how... :eek:

Along the lines of this so called "quiet delivery" did I also read somewhere that Katies has agreed to not hold her baby or allow any medical testing on the baby for 7 days ???
She has seriously been brainwashed!
 
Cruise runs "seminars" to teach anyone
in contact with Katie how she'll give birth

BY MICHELLE CARUSO
DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF

Dad-to-be Tom Cruise thinks father knows best - so he's holding "seminars" to teach his pregnant fiancée, Katie Holmes, as well as family, friends and staff, how to prep for the baby's birth.

"We've been doing seminars ... so that everybody in the family understands ... what Kate's going through and for Kate to understand it," he told GQ in an interview appearing in the magazine's May issue. "We've also been studying what happens after the birth and how to take care of the baby. The kids will have different responsibilities and run in shifts," the take-charge Cruise said of his older children, Isabella, 13, and Connor, 11, whom he adopted with ex-wife Nicole Kidman. "Everybody" who comes in contact with Holmes, 27, has been schooled, said Mr. Cruise-control.
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"Mr. Cruise-control"... with "control" being the operative word here.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/408843p-345930c.html
 
I found this to be a fairly strong statement against silent birth, the hyped Scientology practice Tom Cruise is enforcing with little Katie Holmes.
Just published at WebMD.com yesterday.
Here are brief snippets from an excellent 3 page article:
http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/121/114076.htm

< Regarding the mother ( Katie)>
"Especially for someone having their first child, labor is a long and very uncomfortable process. Women are in pain, and they often want to know, 'Am I OK? Is everything going all right? Am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing?'

<Effects on the baby>:

"This brings up another issue that's appeared in the media about the Cruise-Holmes birth: rumors that Holmes has agreed not only not to speak during the birth process, but to care for her baby without talking throughout the baby's first week of life. If true, that could be a problem, say doctors. "I would think that would have a negative impact on bonding with the baby," says Devine.
"Silently breastfeeding and silently swaddling for a week, while not talking to and cooing with and establishing a verbal connection with the baby, could really impair the bonding process,"


"Babies have heard noise and responded to noise for some time before they are born," she says. "There's absolutely no scientific evidence that taking that away at the time of delivery will have any effect on outcome for the baby or the mother."
 
lisag said:
Thanks for the reminder... I had almost forgotten, until how... :eek:

Along the lines of this so called "quiet delivery" did I also read somewhere that Katies has agreed to not hold her baby or allow any medical testing on the baby for 7 days ???
She has seriously been brainwashed!
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She's not going to hold her newborn for 7 days????? I'd like to see someone tell ME that I'm not going to hold my newborn...oh, hell no!!
 
I think Cruise has ADHD. They are constantly referring to him as being "in perpetual motion", his "Let's get it goin" comments, his couch antics and poor impulse control and getting in arguments with interviewers and insisting he knows how other people (Brooke) should run their lives. ADHD and megalomania...what a combo. If he's not ADHD, then he is definitely "speeding".
 
Was Tom present for the birth of the adopted kids? If not, how the hell did he become such an expert on child birth?
 
From USAToday 4/13/06:

"No," Cruise tells Diane Sawyer in an interview on ABC's Primetime, airing Friday, 9 p.m. ET. "No, I mean you can be Catholic and be a Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just Scientologists."

This is one of the many lies that this quasi-religion. You can be a Catholic and a Scientologist...as long as you believe in reincarnation and that the biggest problem facing mankind is not sin and separation, but engrams on our reactive mind.

Scientologist are certainly free to believe whatever lunatic thing they want to - just be honest and admit that Scientology is completely incompatible with the beliefs of the modern orthodox monotheistic religions.
 
I think Cruise has ADHD. They are constantly referring to him as being "in perpetual motion", his "Let's get it goin" comments, his couch antics and poor impulse control and getting in arguments with interviewers and insisting he knows how other people (Brooke) should run their lives. ADHD and megalomania...what a combo. If he's not ADHD, then he is definitely "speeding".
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I actually think Tom manifests more symptoms of bipolar disorder than ADHD... but obviously I don't have a clue. And, according to him, he's just high on life and love and whatever else it is he blubbers about.
 
Dr. Doogie said:
This is one of the many lies that this quasi-religion. You can be a Catholic and a Scientologist...as long as you believe in reincarnation and that the biggest problem facing mankind is not sin and separation, but engrams on our reactive mind.

Scientologist are certainly free to believe whatever lunatic thing they want to - just be honest and admit that Scientology is completely incompatible with the beliefs of the modern orthodox monotheistic religions.
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You just don't get it - you shouldn't be so closed minded! Of course you can be Catholic and a scientologist! Your thetans can believe in the Catholic beliefs, while your non-thetan mind believes in scientology and attemtps to get cleared of all the Catholic thetans! It's multiple personality disorder formalized into a religion!

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I don't see the evidence of the depressive phase of the bi-polar diagnosis. I just see constant mania. And the strange belief that he is wiser than the rest of the world. He can give seminars to a pregnant woman on what having a baby is like and what it all means????? And he has studied psychiatry?? At what university I might ask. He read a couple of scientology books on the subject maybe. Except that with his dyslexia and short attention span, I find that hard to believe. He is going to self-destruct in my opinion. He's in the midst of ruining his own career (and Katie's I might add) at the moment.
 
My first was in the hospital for the first six weeks of his life. I was there 16 hours a day. I had to wake him up for his very first bath.

I spoke his name and was talking to him. He was not fully awake, his eyes were closed, but he was trying to move towards my voice.

He recognized my voice as Mom. I was concerned about bonding, and after this, I was not as concerned.....

Babies need bonding..........love, affection.

Apparently CrazyTom has now changed his story, that it is all about the women's need during childbirth and whatever she needs she gets, including drugs for the pain and can scream her head off.

Boy what a change..............from the silent birth "scene". I for one thinks he is doing his "damage" control garbage.

A tad too late.......
 
I'd just love to be inside that hospital right at the birth. It'd be so fun to shout, "Xenu!" and blow all their plans!

But I'd feel too sorry for the baby, and what they might decide to put it through to cure that damage to really do it.
 
HeartofTexas said:
I actually think Tom manifests more symptoms of bipolar disorder than ADHD... but obviously I don't have a clue. And, according to him, he's just high on life and love and whatever else it is he blubbers about.
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I have thought he has shown mania in public for quite a few years. I don't know if it's due to drugs, Bi- Polar manic phases, or a need to be in the superstar spotlight through outrageous behavior.
Whatever, it's maladaptive and I am worried for Katie Holmes!!
 
Talking Trash at Tom and Katie's House
April 14, 2006 3:15PM ET

As a swarm of paparazzi descend on Tom Cruise's Beverly Hills mansion -- awaiting news that Katie has given birth -- trash and grilled cheese have become hot items.

For starters, Tom and Katie have security guards monitoring the trash they throw out, ensuring that no one is able to pick through it. The paparazzi's trash (not so valuable) has also become an issue. Beverly Hills cops have warned them to stop littering. In the last few days, a "must-have" for the photogs includes litter bags. Read more at:


http://tmz.aol.com/ :confused:
 
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