Tommy Croslin - Changes Story on what happened to Haleigh. AGAIN

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Caller: MC is too dumb to pull off; (M) wouldn't lie for anyone but Ron
Levi: i agree
MikeB: i think they were so screwed up, they don't know what went down
Levi: Ron called M 90 times (that night)
KimP: we don't know that happened (paraphrased)
JVM: that's true
 
OH CARP LEVI....sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a jabbering spree on your thread! Please forgive me.........hugs.
 
Helplessly Hoping said:
Teh, you ain't kidding. This has become about EVERYONE except Haleigh. I admire those that can follow other cases but I just can't do it. I'll admit it--I adore Haleigh, a true gift from God, as each and every child is, but it has broken my heart these 18 months that . I am glad I went to try and search while in FL but part of me wishes I didn't. I still see Crystal's eyes and am haunted. This has changed me forever.

Sorry for the rant/vent but I cannot fathom that not one single freaking person can tell the truth and worse, if they did, how would we know?
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When LE conducted that last search, something hit me. There was Tommy Croslin, who should've been nothing more than a minute player, at best...at the disposal site. It made me sick. He was nothing to Haleigh...not an uncle, not a friend, barely knew her, he didn't love her...& there he was. I thought to myself, that Haleigh's mother was probably thinking, 'who ARE these people?' That's when this stopped being less about the soap opera, surrounding Ron & Misty, (that carp is just a distraction), & solely about finding out what happened. Seeing Tommy down there, & hearing his awful stories, pizzed me off. That guy has absolutely no business, being involved in this, & he's rolling in it. That dude shouldn't even HAVE a story, but here he goes again, adding & changing. When will it ever stop?
 
dodie20 said:
When LE conducted that last search, something hit me. There was Tommy Croslin, who should've been nothing more than a minute player, at best...at the disposal site. It made me sick. He was nothing to Haleigh...not an uncle, not a friend, barely knew her, he didn't love her...& there he was. I thought to myself, that Haleigh's mother was probably thinking, 'who ARE these people?' That's when this stopped being less about the soap opera, surrounding Ron & Misty, (that carp is just a distraction), & solely about finding out what happened. Seeing Tommy down there, & hearing his awful stories, pizzed me off. That guy has absolutely no business, being involved in this, & he's rolling in it. That dude shouldn't even HAVE a story, but here he goes again, adding & changing. When will it ever stop?
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Dodie, I believe that as long as people continue to lie and preserve their own backsides, we will never learn what happened to Haleigh. I think some are protecting each other and repeating "I don't know" or making up stories goes a long way to keeping anyone involved "safe" and without hard evidence, the SA would be nuts to try this case. All, JMO. But, the fact that so many are lying suggests that several people KNOW what did happen and that is what baffles me. How can so many people know and not spill? It is truly sickening. All JMO.
 
tehcloser said:
Sometimes you are just in a mood, and tonight, I am. There seems to be no one who really cares about justice for Haleigh. Not the "players", not the talking heads, and I'm just gonna say it...not even LE. I realize that that offends alot of posters who I am deeply fond of, but that's just the way I feel. I have been here since day 1, and through all the twists and turns and the lies...it's so freaking apparent to anyone what's going on, yet LE refuses to see. They won't arrest Joe, because they know it's all lie. That won't charge Tommy and Misty because they know that's not the truth. I have honestly came to believe they don't won't the truth to come out. And at the end of the day that leaves Haleigh.

I have tried since day one to believe LE knows and they just say things to make this person or that person believe otherwise, but I don't believe that any more. I do believe Putnam Co. has good people, but there is truly something wrong with the people who are sworn to serve and protect.

Papa you come to mind because I know you disagree with my thoughts, and for that I'm sorry. You have done everything in your power to find justice for Haleigh. You and so many others that are here day in and day out. I'm not a person who gives up easily, but honest to God...I only find peace knowing Haleigh is away from all of this and resting in Gods arms.

I can only hope that ANYONE who has stood in the way of this child being found...rots in hell.
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Tech, my friend, like you at this moment I find myself questioning what am I doing. Am I doing any good, night after night reading, researching, analyzing, trying to understand what may never be resolved? Frankly, I don't know anymore.

One thing that I do know, however, is that I've found great comfort being among the minds of intelligent, caring people such as yourself. Earlier I read a post in one of these threads from a member I don't know. Reference was made to "heart felt" opinions and "gut reaction" as possibly not being valid or helpful in understanding this crime.

I cherish the heart felt opinions and gut reactions of each and every one of our WebSleuth members who take the time to post their thoughts. There are brilliant minds in our forum and I learn from you daily whether I agree with you or not. In my opinion, a lifetime of being parents and grandparents emminately qualifies and validates the value of your opinions and reactions for a crime whose horror we can't comprehend.

Thank You for allowing me to be in your midst.
 
I should've punched myself in the face before opening this thread. Here we go again!
 
Concerned Papa said:
Tech, my friend, like you at this moment I find myself questioning what am I doing. Am I doing any good, night after night reading, researching, analyzing, trying to understand what may never be resolved? Frankly, I don't know anymore.

One thing that I do know, however, is that I've found great comfort being among the minds of intelligent, caring people such as yourself. Earlier I read a post in one of these threads from a member I don't know. Reference was made to "heart felt" opinions and "gut reaction" as possibly not being valid or helpful in understanding this crime.

I cherish the heart felt opinions and gut reactions of each and every one of our WebSleuth members who take the time to post their thoughts. There are brilliant minds in our forum and I learn from you daily whether I agree with you or not. In my opinion, a lifetime of being parents and grandparents emminately qualifies and validates the value of your opinions and reactions for a crime whose horror we can't comprehend.

Thank You for allowing me to be in your midst.
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:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Ditto for me.

I love the factual Sleuthing and analysis but what makes WebSleuths a great community is the emotion, passion, opinions and, gut (wisdom) that takes it to the next level of analysis.

Detectives need to analyze based on the 'facts' but there is a whole other higher-level process that not only connects the dots but draws conclusions based on experience and knowledge.

Even Jurors ... while they primarily base deliberation on facts, testimony, evidence they cannot help but bring life experiences, common sense, and gut into play.

It is an Art and not a Science and I LOVE that Art of WebSleuths and the effort we invest in Justice for HaLeigh as well as other victims.

HaLeigh Forum Posters ..... :clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
If any of the varied versions of the "Joe killed Haleigh" scenario are true, then little Joe must be one scary azz dude with all those hands he must have. One to hold a gun, one to hold a knife to Misty, one to kill Haleigh, and one to somehow hold Tommy at bay while he's doing the killing. Then he totes Haleigh out to the van, dragging along a bag, rope, and cinder blocks, PLUS forcing Tommy to walk along side, get into the van, while he pulls Haleigh into the back seat making sure Tommy was staying put in the passenger seat. As he drove to the river, he had one hand on the wheel and a weapon pointing at Tommy in the other. Then Joe had to lug Haleigh and all the paraphernalia to the river, all the while making sure Tommy didn't run off, telephone for help, or die of fear right there. What is wrong with this picture? While the boys were down by the river, Misty doesn't bother to call for help or dial 911. Oh, yes, she fell asleep while she was hiding under those covers.

Joe must be one heck of a super guy. Ten hands and all. I think he needs to be cast in an action film as the new Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone and Superman rolled into Cousin Joe.

None of this says much about Tommy's manhood. :loser:

Werter, stop while you're ahead, you may end of getting yourself committed. :no:
 
Justin Tyme said:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24690929/detail.html

Werter appears to be talking out of both sides of Toc's mouth.

In the second paragraph where he's talking about JO he states: He took the body to the dock and then came back without the body, so there you have it, Croslin's att James Werter said.
To me this says that JO went to the dock by himself with Haleigh's body and came back without her.

Then you go to paragraph 4 and it states Werter said Croslin rode in the van to the dock with JO as Haleigh's lifeless body lay in the back seat.
and on down to paragraph 7 where it states: Croslin stayed in the passenger seat, he didn't drive. He didn't help in any sort of fashion, Werter said.


So my question to Werter would be: Did JO go alone to the dock with Haleigh by himself OR was ToC there in the van? He can't have it both ways.

JO left alone and came back without Haleigh or Toc was with Jo when Haleigh was disposed of? Did he not even catch what he himself was saying? Does that make sense to him???:waitasec::banghead::furious::furious::
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BBM.That could be true.. Someone was either waiting to take the body from cousin Jo or he tied her to the dock and someone came alnong shortly afterwards and removed her from the dock...

I am thinking Tommy went with Jo to take the body to the dock..
debs, also mentioned months ago there was a public dock directly across from PDM. That could be the dock Jo took haleigh to instead of the Shell Harbor Dock...JMO
 
How did Ron miss this big grudge that Joe had against him? Didn't Ronald deny all of the gun stuff? :waitasec:
 
Justin Tyme said:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24690929/detail.html

Werter appears to be talking out of both sides of Toc's mouth.

In the second paragraph where he's talking about JO he states: He took the body to the dock and then came back without the body, so there you have it, Croslin's att James Werter said.
To me this says that JO went to the dock by himself with Haleigh's body and came back without her.
Then you go to paragraph 4 and it states Werter said Croslin rode in the van to the dock with JO as Haleigh's lifeless body lay in the back seat.
and on down to paragraph 7 where it states: Croslin stayed in the passenger seat, he didn't drive. He didn't help in any sort of fashion, Werter said.


So my question to Werter would be: Did JO go alone to the dock with Haleigh by himself OR was ToC there in the van? He can't have it both ways.

JO left alone and came back without Haleigh or Toc was with Jo when Haleigh was disposed of? Did he not even catch what he himself was saying? Does that make sense to him???:waitasec::banghead::furious::furious::
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I'm thinking Haleigh was placed in that dumpster for a period of time.. Jo and Tommy took Haleigh out of that dumpster and took her to the dock...Jo handed her over to someone who was waiting at the dock or either Jo tied her to the dock and someone removed her shortly afterwards..
Tommy remained in the van...
Just a reminder..... debs mentioned months ago there was also a public dock located directly across from PDM...JMO
 
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huh?
what'd he say?
:liar:

does that even make sense?
:doh:
my head hurts AND
my heart is broken.
:shakehead:​
 
Something I heard Tommy say in a phone conversation bothered me when I heard it. But then I kind of forgot about it.

Werter now claims Tommy and Misty have not had contact yet their story matches, so it must be true. Reading that, what bothered me before is bothering me again now.

[I don't remember who TC was talking with] said something about Misty's lawyer wanting to talk with Tommy's lawyer. What bothered me was Tommy asking [the person he was talking with--either Lindsy or Hank IIRC] "Why does Misty's lawyer want to talk to my lawyer?"

Why indeed?
 
Maybe I need to clearify what I was trying to point out. It appeared to me from reading it that Werter said that ToC wasn't with JO at the dock, because JO left with Haleigh and came back without her. That sounds to me like ToC said that he didn't know what happened to Haleigh that all he knew is that JO had her when he left and didn't have her when he returned. Then in almost the same breathe he said that his client was in the van with JO at the dock. So, which of ToC's stories is Werter wanting us to believe about his client and does he even know? Jo goes alone to the dock or Jo goes to the dock with ToC in tow? :waitasec: Perhaps I need to get another glass of tea and come back and reread the story again.
 
lonetraveler said:
Well, we do have statement by LE that Joe is not a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance. Add that bit of information to the fact that last week when Joe was arrested at his home he was NOT hit with a half a million to a million dollar bond like the other part of the family tree. He was bonded out immediately. So, if Joe is taken out of the picture that leaves Tommy and Misty at the mobile home that night by their own admission. Somebody in the Timmy Croslin household drove the dang van over to the MH that night. It was driven and damaged. Now, with Joe out of the picture and the process of elimination, that leaves either Timmy or Chelsea who drove that van that night. Anybody want to guess who? I have always thought that Haleigh was already dead when Misty arrived at the MH and the Croslin family were brought into the situation for cover up. They are either covering up for Misty because they do not know if she killed Haleigh or not due to her natural ability to lie like hello. Misty may have promised to go over to babysit earlier than she arrived and was convinced by the Cummings family that Haleigh died on her watch so LE will naturally think that she was the one who killed her so she was easily convinced to start and participate in a coverup. Ron may have called Tommy in order to get him over to the MH that night knowing that he would be walking into a real mess and feel obligated to also help with the coverup. Maybe Haleigh was put into a bag and temporarily placed at the dumpster to wait until someone came to pick her up. It is extremely hard for me to think that the Cummings would entrust Haleigh to someone who was not family. One thing is for sure though, if that van was involved, someone in the Timmy Crolsin's home drove it.
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If Misty questioned Chelsea about the scratches in the van, it seems reasonable to me also that she must have seen the damage AFTER they had taken the van from Tim and Chelsea's place. Otherwise, how would she know?
 
I think TC and MC are sobered from being in jail and medicated (prozac I think) up and looking at long prison sentences and deciding being locked up RC can't kill either one now, so yes, I buy this story. It explains a lot about the gun, the van having scratches, and JO spending the same night over at Timmy's. I don't agree with LP's theory that JO didn't do it, and that Timmy is somehow responsible. I'd wish LP would stop defending JO. I have always thought JO was in the thick of it a/because he hated Ron b/his is a pedophile. Werter is putting this out there now because JO is in jail - I really hope they strap him up again to a poly. As far as Tommy telling the truth...I think this is good enough. I want JO, MC, TC all to get life sentences. IMO
 
Yud-yo Scooby-doo here we go again. JO was never proven to be a pedophile as far as I know. It was just MC's word on that wasn't it?
 
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