Tommy Croslin - Changes Story on what happened to Haleigh. AGAIN

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Where is the record saying JO is a pedophile? I haven't seen that.

JO is NOT in jail.

I believe that it was discovered a long time back that Jo doesn't have a record as a pedophile that was something that Crystal Cummings and Teresa Neves said but was proven to be wrong.

I don't know if Joe is still in Jail on the drug charges but he was busted just last week at the home that he shares with several other people including his mother and stepfather. His mother and stepfather are both Over the Road truckdrivers and were not home at the time of the police raid.
 
So what did Joe use to strangle Haleigh with? His two hands? All the while pointing the gun at Misty and the knife at Tommy (or was it vice versa?) with his toes, keeping them from trying to call help and save Haleigh?
 
Chilling details in case of Haleigh Cummings
Hank Croslin Jr. tells attorney he saw Joe Overstreet and that missing Haleigh Cummings was likely dead before the disappearance was reported.

Posted: August 19, 2010 - 11:43pm
By Dana Treen
"Snip" http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...ng-details-case-missing-girl-haleigh-cummings
Chilling new details about the fate of Haleigh Cummings emerged from the attorney of Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., proposing that the 5-year-old was dead hours before her disappearance was reported.

Croslin Jr., was with his cousin Joe Overstreet when the two went to a Putnam County boat ramp with the girl where she was dumped into the St. Johns River inside a bag.

"Hank Jr. saw Joe take Haleigh down to the dock, when he came back, he didn't have Haleigh."



Werter said he would not say where Croslin was during the attack but said the two men drove to the dock with the kindergartner in a bag.


"According to Tommy, she was limp, quiet. "She may have already been dead when she left the trailer."



Fields, said Misty hid beneath the covers with 3-year-old Jr. when the attack happened. He said she remembers hearing a van door slide open and close and saw a black bag or something similar placed over the girl.

Werter said he has been angry with detectives who want cooperation from his client but have been threatening to charge him with felony murder.

Chief Rick Ryan of the PCSO said investigators were not commenting on the case.

Werter said he has filed a motion to modify Hank Croslin Jr.'s sentence.

He said the Sheriff's Office should act on what his client and his sister have said.

Overstreet drove to Croslin Jr.'s house in a van borrowed from another Croslin brother and went to the mh where Misty was with the children.

They went there around midnight, Werter said. Ronald Cummings, was at work and the two were looking for a World War II-era machine gun to hunt deer.

Fields said this week that the gun had been taken somewhere else.

Werter said Croslin Jr. never told Misty where Haleigh was taken but took investigators to a boat ramp just north of Welaka on April 13. Divers spent days searching the water.

Overstreet's attorney, Shawn Sirgo, said that Overstreet was with another relative when he learned Haleigh was missing.
 
My Comments BBM........None of this makes any sense to me. I can imagine how frustrated LE is. :banghead:



Chilling details in case of Haleigh Cummings
Hank Croslin Jr. tells attorney he saw Joe Overstreet and that missing Haleigh Cummings was likely dead before the disappearance was reported.

Posted: August 19, 2010 - 11:43pm
By Dana Treen
"Snip" http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...ng-details-case-missing-girl-haleigh-cummings
Chilling new details about the fate of Haleigh Cummings emerged from the attorney of Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., proposing that the 5-year-old was dead hours before her disappearance was reported. (How would Tommy know that Haleigh was already dead?)

Croslin Jr., was with his cousin Joe Overstreet when the two went to a Putnam County boat ramp with the girl where she was dumped into the St. Johns River inside a bag. (So, Tommy is placing himself at the boat ramp with Joe. Could this be why LE has threated to charge him with murder as well? He is putting himself at the disposal/crime scene.)"Hank Jr. saw Joe take Haleigh down to the dock, when he came back, he didn't have Haleigh." (So why didn't Tommy stop Joe if this were the case? Tommy is bigger, he has children, why would he just let Joe take Haleigh out of the van?)


Werter said he would not say where Croslin was during the attack but said the two men drove to the dock with the kindergartner in a bag.
(If Haleigh was already in the bag and Werter will not say were the attack happen, then it must of happen at the MH or at another MH IMO. What was Tommy doing and why did he not help Haleigh?)

"According to Tommy, she was limp, quiet. "She may have already been dead when she left the trailer." (How would Tommy know so many details about Haleigh being limp if he did not watch/see what happen to her and where? Why not give the whole story about what happen?)

Fields, said Misty hid beneath the covers with 3-year-old Jr. when the attack happened. He said she remembers hearing a van door slide open and close and saw a black bag or something similar placed over the girl. (If Misty was under the covers how did she see Joe place a black bag over her? I don't see Misty just hiding while someone is assumable enraged about a gun.)
Werter said he has been angry with detectives who want cooperation from his client but have been threatening to charge him with felony murder. (Why would LE threaten Tommy? Did they find something at the river and are just holding back? I know they are probably trying to scare him, but IMO they know he is full of it.)
Chief Rick Ryan of the PCSO said investigators were not commenting on the case. (No comment from LE means to me that everyone is still a POI in this case and nobody has been cleared. IMO, LE does not want the public nor the POI to know they are on to them.)

Werter said he has filed a motion to modify Hank Croslin Jr.'s sentence. (Good Luck, didn't Tommy plea No-Contest? I thought if someone plead No-Contest they could not appeal? Plus, Tommy has lied over and over, they need to charge him with obstruction of justice, hindering a murder investigation, and being an accomplice. He is admitting he was at the scene of the crime and at the dump site. Bring the charges on I say, maybe he will finally tell the truth!)

He said the Sheriff's Office should act on what his client and his sister have said. (They have from what it appears. They did the intensive search of the St.John's river and even Dunn's Creek area from what I heard. They have followed up, what more do Werter and Fields want?)
Overstreet drove to Croslin Jr.'s house in a van borrowed from another Croslin brother and went to the MH where Misty was with the children. (How did Joe get the keys to the van? It says he borrowed it from Timmy, so was Timmy with him and they are keeping his name out of this? Chelsea has said that Timmy was asleep, Ron told Cobra that Timmy was awake around 1AM. Chelsea was awake late she claims, up until around the time Misty called her that Haleigh was missing. IMO Chelsea would know what time Joe took the van. What are Chelsea and Timmy hiding?)

They went there around midnight, Werter said. Ronald Cummings, was at work and the two were looking for a World War II-era machine gun to hunt deer. (Hm-mm midnight? That was the time Ron was to get off work but decided to work over time. Why did Misty not call Ron then? She had a cell phone that she turned off after their fight around 8:30PM. If she was so scared why didn't she at least call Ronald? Oh, but she did she claims but not when the so called attack happen, she called as he was pulling into the driveway, after he stopped off for ciggs, bear. How do they know for sure Ron was at work? The fact they even put this statement about Ron not being there makes me wonder esp since Ron called Tommy around 9:30-10:00PM that night. Why did Ron not go home and check on his children? Could it be because maybe they were not at his MH? IMO, Misty and Tommy are still protecting Ronald. JMO)
Fields said this week that the gun had been taken somewhere else. (Where was the gun taken? I thought Joe got mad that he could not find the gun, if Misty knew where it was at why not just give it to Joe so that he would not harm Haleigh? In her first interview she says she wishes they would of taken her instead. Then why not give up the gun? Why not call Ron and tell him, hey if you don't give Joe the gun he is going to harm Haleigh? Why was a gun more important than Haleigh that Misty and Tommy let Joe kill her? I don't buy it happen this way IMO....)
Werter said Croslin Jr. never told Misty where Haleigh was taken but took investigators to a boat ramp just north of Welaka on April 13. Divers spent days searching the water. (Hm-mm...I thought Misty had said that Tommy took her to the area in Dec? Which is it? There stories are not matching up like Werter and Fields claim.)
Overstreet's attorney, Shawn Sirgo, said that Overstreet was with another relative when he learned Haleigh was missing. (If Joe was with another relative and they have spoken on his behalf then he has an alibi. I would love to know where Joe was. Chelsea said he was staying at her house, yet said early on in her gut she felt Joe took Haleigh. She was up all night pretty much, she should know if and when Joe left her house and with who. She would know if he took the van, but she can only say she thinks he may of taken the van. Chelsea's story is not adding up IMO.)
 
Hey y'all, I've been trying very, very hard to make this story fit and it just doesn't fit to me. I still think that Haleigh was already dead and that any involvement of the Croslins/Overstreet was in the disposal arena. Please feel free to help me change my mind.

lonetraveler.... It's fitting so don't worry, and I suspect you are right on about Croslins/ Overstreet being in the disposal arena...
Hopefully, there is more to come...

Right now I'm thinking Haleigh was already deceased when Tommy and Jo arrived on the scene..I'm still thinking Ron C and Misty had a knock down - drag out when Ron C caught up with Misty after Misty picked up Haleigh from the bus stop..And I'm still thinking the incident occurred at Misty's parents residence or close by to where Misty's parents were living at the time...JMHO..
 
I wish the DA would get a grand jury going on this case, give the GJ what they have and see if some indictments aren't handed down....Then and only then when a real murder trial starts we MAY be able to widdle down to the truth of that horrific night.
 
Chilling new details about the fate of missing Haleigh Cummings emerged Thursday from the attorney of Hank [B]"Tommy" Croslin Jr., proposing that the 5-year-old was dead hours before her disappearance was reported.[/B]


BBM.. Dark red..Just as so many of us have suspected from the beginning...JMHO
 
"According to Tommy, she was limp, quiet," Werter said. "She may have already been dead when she left the trailer."


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To my knowledge Ron C's residence at 202 Green Lane has never been referred to as a trailer...Always a MH... JMHO
 
Ok, let's just say for the sake of argument that this stuff is true. I don't believe it but still...let's pretend they have finally decided to come clean. Can someone splain' to me why LE is not doing anything with this info? I really am beginning to seriously believe, they don't want it solved. You would think they would jump on it...they are being handed the info on a silver platter. But nawwwwww...still nothing. And don't give me the time carp, they have had plenty of time.
 
Teh, you ain't kidding. This has become about EVERYONE except Haleigh. I admire those that can follow other cases but I just can't do it. I'll admit it--I adore Haleigh, a true gift from God, as each and every child is, but it has broken my heart these 18 months that . I am glad I went to try and search while in FL but part of me wishes I didn't. I still see Crystal's eyes and am haunted. This has changed me forever.

Sorry for the rant/vent but I cannot fathom that not one single freaking person can tell the truth and worse, if they did, how would we know?

I agree, I can't imagine the pain Crystal is feeling and has fealt for 18 months! My heart cries for her everytime I think about her pain. I pray that God conforts her and eases some of that pain.
 
Sometimes you are just in a mood, and tonight, I am. There seems to be no one who really cares about justice for Haleigh. Not the "players", not the talking heads, and I'm just gonna say it...not even LE. I realize that that offends alot of posters who I am deeply fond of, but that's just the way I feel. I have been here since day 1, and through all the twists and turns and the lies...it's so freaking apparent to anyone what's going on, yet LE refuses to see. They won't arrest Joe, because they know it's all lie. That won't charge Tommy and Misty because they know that's not the truth. I have honestly came to believe they don't won't the truth to come out. And at the end of the day that leaves Haleigh.

I have tried since day one to believe LE knows and they just say things to make this person or that person believe otherwise, but I don't believe that any more. I do believe Putnam Co. has good people, but there is truly something wrong with the people who are sworn to serve and protect.

Papa you come to mind because I know you disagree with my thoughts, and for that I'm sorry. You have done everything in your power to find justice for Haleigh. You and so many others that are here day in and day out. I'm not a person who gives up easily, but honest to God...I only find peace knowing Haleigh is away from all of this and resting in Gods arms.

I can only hope that ANYONE who has stood in the way of this child being found...rots in hell.

Teh, you posted my thoughts exactly. Like you, I don't want to offend any of you good WS'ers or any good LE. I have family and friends that are LE and I know they do the best they can do everyday. But.... I am giving up on LE in this case. A few months ago I quit reading and posting because I just gave up. To see the players in this case, and see how LE is handling this is so disheartening. I had to walk away for a while. I have told myself in the past that LE had good reason to handle things the way they have even if we don't know what those reasons are. But 18 months, all the lies from this bunch, obvious lies to anyone who knows this case. Sorry for the rant, just had to let it out.
 
Something I heard Tommy say in a phone conversation bothered me when I heard it. But then I kind of forgot about it.

Werter now claims Tommy and Misty have not had contact yet their story matches, so it must be true. Reading that, what bothered me before is bothering me again now.

[I don't remember who TC was talking with] said something about Misty's lawyer wanting to talk with Tommy's lawyer. What bothered me was Tommy asking [the person he was talking with--either Lindsy or Hank IIRC] "Why does Misty's lawyer want to talk to my lawyer?"

Why indeed?

Let's remember too that both Misty and Tommy have talked to Flo and other family members, who have talked on TV, which both Misty and Tommy could have watched.
 
So, Misty basically places Haleigh as being dead because she mentions going quiet and no more crying when placed into the black bag.
Tommy places Haleigh as being dead because he mentions no crying or struggling inside the bag. He thinks Joe may have strangled her.
Those two want Haleigh declared dead, them as victims, and for this to all go away so they can get out of jail and go about their selfish lives
I'd like to know why Lindsay is out running around free after saying that she always knows if Tommy gets up during the night and why she didn't report that he was out running around half the night plus their pitbull was probably going bonkers. The whole bunch of them especially Misty and Tommy had months to cook this story up just in case they were ever cornered. The only thing missing in this latest story is the cinder blocks. There's no mention of seeing them tied to Haleigh or placed into the bag with her and STILL no mention of the blanket or which one of them was dressed all in black.
They haven't thought this up yet, and their attys havent gotten together to iron out all the kinks. This will be the next story.
 
Hey y'all, I've been trying very, very hard to make this story fit and it just doesn't fit to me. I still think that Haleigh was already dead and that any involvement of the Croslins/Overstreet was in the disposal arena. Please feel free to help me change my mind.

I agree. I also think that RC and TN knew that HC was either hurt or dead, and knew the coverup was going on, even if they did steer clear of the area while the Croslins did the dirty work. JMO
 
How many versions does this make now?? Ive lost count. RIP sweet Haleigh, thier day will come......
 
Ok, let's just say for the sake of argument that this stuff is true. I don't believe it but still...let's pretend they have finally decided to come clean. Can someone splain' to me why LE is not doing anything with this info? I really am beginning to seriously believe, they don't want it solved. You would think they would jump on it...they are being handed the info on a silver platter. But nawwwwww...still nothing. And don't give me the time carp, they have had plenty of time.

BBM

tehcloser, I feel your anguish and frustration in this post but I’m a little confused and having trouble understanding what you are saying. Please understand, I’m not trying to be argumentative, because I think highly of your opinion and really enjoy your posts, but if I’m reading this one correctly, it seems like you are criticizing LE for not taking action on something that you don’t believe to be the truth. Please help me with this. :waitasec:
 
BBM

tehcloser, I feel your anguish and frustration in this post but I’m a little confused and having trouble understanding what you are saying. Please understand, I’m not trying to be argumentative, because I think highly of your opinion and really enjoy your posts, but if I’m reading this one correctly, it seems like you are criticizing LE for not taking action on something that you don’t believe to be the truth. Please help me with this. :waitasec:

Yeah...lol, it does sound like that. :crazy: Well, I kinda am. It seems to me that LE think it was Tommy/Misty/Joe, or at least that's what they want us to believe they are thinking. And I'm thinking that if they really want to push that theory, then why are they not acting on something that's being handed to them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I think sometimes, they don't really want a case to go to trial. Am I making any sense or just confusicating things more? :waitasec:
 
I wish the DA would get a grand jury going on this case, give the GJ what they have and see if some indictments aren't handed down....Then and only then when a real murder trial starts we MAY be able to widdle down to the truth of that horrific night.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Completely agree!!! Have them all testify under oath and let the GJ assess the truth and lies and decide if charges are applicable and to who.....
 
So what did Joe use to strangle Haleigh with? His two hands? All the while pointing the gun at Misty and the knife at Tommy (or was it vice versa?) with his toes, keeping them from trying to call help and save Haleigh?
Right; and we all know that getting under the sheets provides a protective shield with which to keep the boogieman away.

And why grab only Jr?

And, if so, why has Jr never said something to the effect of Sissy was screaming etc? I know he was 3, but he would have been able to relay at least that tidbit (as in, "Sissy screamed") that kind of trauma - wouldnt he? sheesh

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