Tommy describes attack

[dodie20]

That's an interesting aspect of the case, Dodie. On more than one occasion, LE has made a public plea for information about Misty's whereabouts that night, and stated that physical evidence at the MH does not match up with Misty's (first) story. Yet, not one individual has come forward to say Misty was with him or her. We can be reasonably confident of that because Misty has not been cleared. The only thing we've seen that would indicate otherwise is the letter from NayNay who said that LE told her Joe P. signed an affadavit stating Haleigh OD'd at a party. That was a whole year ago, and nothing has come of it. Personally, I think it was a crock, something LE made up to pressure NayNay.

Misty hasn't tried on the "I wasn't there" story because without an eyewitness to corroborate her claim, it simply won't fly. She's got nothing. Not even an appearance on a Kangaroo video. Too bad she wasn't smart enough to run out for cigs and peanuts.

LE expressed doubt that she was at Green Ln., but at the same time continued to say she was "the key". Well, how in the world could she be the key if she wasn't even there when the crime occurred?? She could only testify to what she found when she returned or what Ron and/or TN told her, but that would be mostly hearsay. Her testimony would be helpful in building a case, but it would not make her "the key". Only one with first hand knowledge can wear that title.

Ergo, if Misty is "the key"; and Misty wasn't at Green Ln. that night: the crime occurred somewhere other than the MH. IMO, this could indicate 130 Magnolia as the scene of the crime. One of them, anyway.

I've also thought that the reason Misty wouldn't own up to being gone, was because being gone is when & where the murder happened, & being gone is when & where the disposal happened. I had an image of Misty frantically running here & there, with her phone turned off, & taking care of business. but still...why not try it on for size? also, I've thought that if Misty was gone, it was with Tommy & crew, & that's why no witnesses have come forward, because none of this crew is talking. & on a side note, I've thought they were either at Misty's folks empty house, (that would be a temptation for young people), or Tommy's house. (since Lindsey was at school).

 

[Gwen]

No offense to you, Gwen, but this source, this girl Tim Miller met at a bar around the corner from Ron's house who allegedly saw Misty at a party that night, has she talked to LE? A party would mean more than two people, so where are they? He!!, why is Misty still behind bars? Why isn't Fields blabbing this all over the place? If Misty's own attorney still places her at the scene, how can we believe the story from the girl in the bar around the corner, etc.?

I do take offense when you use the "roll eyes" icon when addressing me and there was more than 2 people. In fact, he goes on talk about the specific activities of these guests.

As to whether or not LE spoke to this girl.......I dunno. I certainly hope they have though. I mean that would be keeping with the idea of a investigation looking at every lead and angle.

I am gonna find that link

http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/wsky/archive/WSKY_News/2009-10-09_Rozie_Franco_and_Tim_Miller.mp3

 

[bessie]

I do take offense when you use the "roll eyes" icon when addressing me and there was more than 2 people. In fact, he goes on talk about the specific activities of these guests.

As to whether or not LE spoke to this girl.......I dunno. I certainly hope they have though. I mean that would be keeping with the idea of a investigation looking at every lead and angle.

I am gonna find that link

http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/wsky/archive/WSKY_News/2009-10-09_Rozie_Franco_and_Tim_Miller.mp3

Gwen, it was not my intention to insult you or your post. After reading my comment again, well...it certainly did sound that way, didn't it. I'm very sorry and hope you will accept my apology.

Thank you for finding that link. All of the information and details we've learned about this case sometimes feel like a hairball stuck in my head. I think this story got lost in there. It will be interesting to review it again.

 

[B4igo2it]

according to Gwen's link, LE did speak with that girl that approached Tim in the bar

 

[Nonni Brenda]

well, LE stated, & never corrected it, that they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't home. & if I'm remembering correctly, they even asked for public assistance in determining her wherabouts. & then, I do believe, (but could be wrong), GGS claimed that she herself dropped by that trailer & Misty was there, & then Ron & Teresa proclaimed for all to hear, that Misty was there, exausted & asleep, & would never leave the kids alone. & then Hank made a point to talk about how Misty slept like a log, & was almost impossible, to wake up. But even with all of these proclomations, I'm gonna go with LE on this one...at least until they offer a retractment. For some reason, but probably different reasons for each person, everybody wants Misty in that house, & not gone. including Misty. & I wonder why. & come to think about it...we've heard so many versions of that night, I wonder why Misty never tried the 'I wasn't there' on for size? I wonder what she was really doing.

That's a good question Dodie. I think back then she was just saying what RC and TN told her to say. Now... I don't know why she doesnt say she wasn't there. Maybe because she has gotten in so deep, she knows noone will believe her, and knows no one she had been with will back her up, for fear of consequences for not coming forward.

 

[Gwen]

Gwen, it was not my intention to insult you or your post. After reading my comment again, well...it certainly did sound that way, didn't it. I'm very sorry and hope you will accept my apology.

Thank you for finding that link. All of the information and details we've learned about this case sometimes feel like a hairball stuck in my head. I think this story got lost in there. It will be interesting to review it again.

It is okay. Thanks for the apology and I do accept. I can see how it happened.

Where is Haleigh?

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

I've also thought that the reason Misty wouldn't own up to being gone, was because being gone is when & where the murder happened, & being gone is when & where the disposal happened. I had an image of Misty frantically running here & there, with her phone turned off, & taking care of business. but still...why not try it on for size? also, I've thought that if Misty was gone, it was with Tommy & crew, & that's why no witnesses have come forward, because none of this crew is talking. & on a side note, I've thought they were either at Misty's folks empty house, (that would be a temptation for young people), or Tommy's house. (since Lindsey was at school).

I have been thinking that Misty wasn't at Green but may have been with others who were involved and not yet named. The simple fact that she couldn't provide the details of Haleigh's clothing has always been odd--but I am betting Annette Sykes could as she put shirts on the kids. :waitasec: And if we go back even earlier, didn't someone else ask her to babysit their kids? What if she did? At Shell Harbor, on Magnolia, closer to Timmy and Chelsea and with no one home (Hank and Lisa at the hospital) and LE says forensic evidence contradicts her story at Green. I just pray that LE searched Ms. Sykes house and Magnolia and the surrounding areas. I think much was missed at the onset. All, MHO. And I am SO SICK of not having any truth and back to believing that LE only has the drug charges to gain any semblance of justice for Haleigh and that just breaks my heart. But a bird in hand....

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

That's a good question Dodie. I think back then she was just saying what RC and TN told her to say. Now... I don't know why she doesnt say she wasn't there. Maybe because she has gotten in so deep, she knows noone will believe her, and knows no one she had been with will back her up, for fear of consequences for not coming forward.

I agree. It's gonna be a he said-she said scenario and whose credibility has been gone from "the best mommy" to the "Witch" both per TN? Very curious. Wonder if they ever got that heirloom ring back? I just can't believe anything I hear anymore. Haleigh's glow, smile, joy is evident in every picture and I think that reflects her nature. I see her as a little spitfire and though I never KNEW her, I miss her.

 

[dodie20]

That's a good question Dodie. I think back then she was just saying what RC and TN told her to say. Now... I don't know why she doesnt say she wasn't there. Maybe because she has gotten in so deep, she knows noone will believe her, and knows no one she had been with will back her up, for fear of consequences for not coming forward.

well, if she wasn't there, because she left the kids, so she could go party, she should be shouting it from the rooftops...but since she's not, I guess she either wasn't gone, regardless of what LE says, or where she was, plays a big part in Haleigh's death. I too thought that she was lieing for Ron's & TN's sake, but now? unless she's lieing for Tommy, she's lieing for herself.

 

[dodie20]

I'm just curious...what exactly is known about the 1st 911 call? was it really made? what time? & were the cops really already at Tommy's house, when Misty's & Ron's 911 call came in? Were they there because of the 911, such as investigating a hang-up call, or responding to a real call from there, or were they responding to a neighbor's call & complaint about Tommy's barking dog? When LE talked about the 1st 911, did they consider the call from the complaining neighbor that 1st call...so therefore think Tommy's barking dog is related to Haleigh's case? If there are any answers to these questions, I'd appreciate the help, because Tommy seems to have been up to his eyeballs in this, since the beginning. If there was a call, & cops investigated, I'd like to know if cops saw Tommy, Lindsey, & their kids. I'd also like to know how that call & visit from LE fits into Tommy's statement(s) & timeline. For instance, was Tommy asleep? & since he claims to have been so high on xanax, that he passed in & out of consciousness, I'd like to know LE's take on his demeanor. I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I think that 1st call & visit, (if there was a visit? did cops leave without an interview, because of a missing child priority?), is more than just a coincidence. Also, has Lindsey ever addressed the call, or the barking dog?

 

[dodie20]

I'm thinking Tommy's story isn't matching physical evidence from the trailer & his timeline isn't fitting in with the call from Ron, & the 911 calls. This has probably been addressed before, but did Tommy have a cell phone? I remember in the drug bust, it was reported that he stopped at a pool hall, to make some drug calls, so I'm assuming he used their phone, but that's just a guess.

 

[dodie20]

I'm just curious...what exactly is known about the 1st 911 call? was it really made? what time? & were the cops really already at Tommy's house, when Misty's & Ron's 911 call came in? Were they there because of the 911, such as investigating a hang-up call, or responding to a real call from there, or were they responding to a neighbor's call & complaint about Tommy's barking dog? When LE talked about the 1st 911, did they consider the call from the complaining neighbor that 1st call...so therefore think Tommy's barking dog is related to Haleigh's case? If there are any answers to these questions, I'd appreciate the help, because Tommy seems to have been up to his eyeballs in this, since the beginning. If there was a call, & cops investigated, I'd like to know if cops saw Tommy, Lindsey, & their kids. I'd also like to know how that call & visit from LE fits into Tommy's statement(s) & timeline. For instance, was Tommy asleep? & since he claims to have been so high on xanax, that he passed in & out of consciousness, I'd like to know LE's take on his demeanor. I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I think that 1st call & visit, (if there was a visit? did cops leave without an interview, because of a missing child priority?), is more than just a coincidence. Also, has Lindsey ever addressed the call, or the barking dog?

sorry to quote my own post, but I've got no edit button...I seem to remember reading that somebody claimed to have seen Haleigh an hour or so before Misty called 911. Does anybody know who made that statement & where it was made from? because if Tommy made it from his address, there's another problem with his story & timeline. I thought Misty made it either in the 911 or to the police, but I can't find it.

 

[Emeralgem]

sorry to quote my own post, but I've got no edit button...I seem to remember reading that somebody claimed to have seen Haleigh an hour or so before Misty called 911. Does anybody know who made that statement & where it was made from? because if Tommy made it from his address, there's another problem with his story & timeline. I thought Misty made it either in the 911 or to the police, but I can't find it.

From what I recall the officer who was at 116 Tyler told dispatch Haleigh had been seen at her residence an hour and a half before.. but I could be wrong
So I'm thinking it had to be either Tommy or Lindsey who gave out that information...

 

[Dion]

Frpm what I recall the officer who was at 116 Tyler told dispatch Haleigh had been seen at her residence an hour and a half before..
So I'm thinking it had to be either Tommy or Lindsey who gave out that information...

Interesting. It's highly unlikely that Lindsy would have been over at the MH that late, so it must have been Misty or Tommy who claimed they saw her (but Misty said she was asleep and TC has given conflicting stories).

 

[SoSueMe]

From what I recall the officer who was at 116 Tyler told dispatch Haleigh had been seen at her residence an hour and a half before.. but I could be wrong
So I'm thinking it had to be either Tommy or Lindsey who gave out that information...

I think this call around 2:00 a.m. is one of those things that LE has decided to downplay. There was obviously a call and it wasn't someone serving the Croslins with papers about their dogs. I also believe this is when they referred to the hour and a half that Haleigh was last seen. That would put Haleigh last being seen at 12:30 and since I believe Ronald left work at 12:00 midnight, this makes sense to me.

 

[dodie20]

I think this call around 2:00 a.m. is one of those things that LE has decided to downplay. There was obviously a call and it wasn't someone serving the Croslins with papers about their dogs. I also believe this is when they referred to the hour and a half that Haleigh was last seen. That would put Haleigh last being seen at 12:30 and since I believe Ronald left work at 12:00 midnight, this makes sense to me.

I'm not sure what it points to, but the scream from the trailer, Misty in the yard & crying on the phone, the 1st 911 call, the barking dogs, the cops being at Tommy's, somebody claiming to have last seen Haleigh an hour & a half earlier, Ron getting home, Misty & Ron calling 911...this is all too jammed up, to not be related. & none of this points to Joe. But surely Shoemaker realizes that this does not look good for Ron. He just happens to unknowingly walk in during the middle of all this drama? after stopping for cigs & peanuts? after calling Misty a gazillion times with no answer? & his 1st question, is why are you still up? No, I'm not believing that. But it's looking even worse for Tommy. Why were his dogs barking? I'm sure those dogs were used to late night action, so what made this night different? & WTH was Lindsey doing, during all of this? sleeping peacefully, beside her man? after the 2 dinners she had eaten earlier? Really...how have these people gotten away with this for so long? Jr had slept the day away, according to Misty, so how could that child have slept through all of this commotion? & then TN was there, lickety split, & with pic in hand, to boot? Were there no pics of Haleigh in the trailer? in Ron's wallet? from looking at this, & trying to see a motive for all of their lies, Tommy is the only one who doesn't make some kind of sense. & why blame Joe? if he was involved, wouldn't he have showed up somewhere in all of this drama?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I'm just curious...what exactly is known about the 1st 911 call? was it really made? what time? & were the cops really already at Tommy's house, when Misty's & Ron's 911 call came in? Were they there because of the 911, such as investigating a hang-up call, or responding to a real call from there, or were they responding to a neighbor's call & complaint about Tommy's barking dog? When LE talked about the 1st 911, did they consider the call from the complaining neighbor that 1st call...so therefore think Tommy's barking dog is related to Haleigh's case? If there are any answers to these questions, I'd appreciate the help, because Tommy seems to have been up to his eyeballs in this, since the beginning. If there was a call, & cops investigated, I'd like to know if cops saw Tommy, Lindsey, & their kids. I'd also like to know how that call & visit from LE fits into Tommy's statement(s) & timeline. For instance, was Tommy asleep? & since he claims to have been so high on xanax, that he passed in & out of consciousness, I'd like to know LE's take on his demeanor. I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I think that 1st call & visit, (if there was a visit? did cops leave without an interview, because of a missing child priority?), is more than just a coincidence. Also, has Lindsey ever addressed the call, or the barking dog?

:angel: So Sorry for the long post...:angel:
I always assumed the reason LE was on Tyler before they arrived on Green ln. Was because of a barking dog. I was told by others here that they did not go out until the 27th of Feb from what the docket reads. But the way I read it the citation was given out on Feb 10, 2009. Which IMO, would mean that LE was at Tyler mid morning, maybe before the 911 call. The search for Haleigh was already in progress on Feb 10th and if the dog was barking I highly doubt LE would of given Tommy a situation when they had so much commotion going on with the other search dogs/searchers. That would give any dog a reason to bark IMO.
Something I don't understand is why is this case in the Criminal Records?
Also, regarding Tommy he was caring for his children that night because Lyndsey was at school until around 10:15PM, so if anything happen to Haleigh before then Tommy's children might have a few answers for LE. Like was Daddy home, who came over, did daddy leave. It was also said that Tommy came over to smoke some pot with Misty on Feb 9th. What if they did more than pot and that is why he claims he was high on xanax? Maybe they were all high on several kind of drugs. I wonder if they all used drugs in front of all the children that night? Did they use at Tommy's house? Did they use at the Magnolia address? Or was Misty with Tommy and not watching Haleigh and Jr. while they were getting high?

There are just to many holes in everyones story. Ronald & TN seemed to couch Misty in all her interviews IMO, seems he/they knew more than she did.
If a fight happen over a gun I would believe it, I just don't buy that it was Joe who killed Haleigh because he could not find it. IMO, if Joe had a bone to pick with Ron, he would of shot Ron, not Haleigh.

Also,Joe stayed at Chelsea's house as well, if they were so worried about Joe why did they allow him to stay in their home with their children? The story just doesn't add up to me. I do recall that someone, I think Hollars/Or his attorney did state on NG that Joe didn't have any history of being a SO, it was mentioned he had B&E's. Nothing violent. The only one that claimed Joe sexually abused her was Misty. It was Misty and Chelsea that said that Joe was a bad/crazy person, yet they both allowed him to be around the children. Why? Misty claims she loved Haleigh and Jr. so much why allow Joe to kill/take Haleigh and hide under a cover and not do anything until Ronald came home? She had no problem calling 911 when they assaulted her and stole her drugs..the fear in her voice in that 911 was fear. The sound of her voice in the 911 call to report Haleigh missing was more of a puzzled tone IMO. Kind of like someone was telling her what to say.

Anyway, a few snips that just don't fit into the Joe killed Haleigh over a gun..I don't buy the story IMO. :cow:

542009CO000052XXAXCX 02/27/2009

Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Case File Location: TRAFFIC DIVISION
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR


Date # Docket Description http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
02/27/2009 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE

02/27/2009 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE

02/27/2009 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009

02/27/2009 2 OFFICER'S REPORT

04/17/2009 3 $57.00 LOCAL ORDINANCE FINE PAID

NANCY GRACE http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/16/ng.01.html

Two Cinder Blocks Pulled from River in Search for Haleigh

Aired April 16, 2010 "Snip"


CHELSEA CROSLIN: Misty called me that morning, about 4:00, and told me that Haleigh was missing. And from there, everything happened.


CASAREZ: Mr. Sirgo, thank you for joining us. You know, so much has been said in the last 24 hours directed solely at your client, Joe. First of all, I want your reaction on what Grandma said, Flora Hollars said, last night.

SHAWN SIRGO, ATTORNEY FOR JOE OVERSTREET: I really don`t have a reaction to what she said because it -- it`s hearsay. You have to understand, as attorneys, we`re trained to take evidence and look at its feasibility, its reliability. Can it stand the test? And law enforcement hasn`t tested this, to the best of my knowledge. So it`s just a statement being made by someone. And so until it`s substantiated, until it`s brought forward as evidence, then I really don`t have any reason to want to address it to any degree.

CASAREZ: All right. She said that your client committed murder. Those were her words.

SIRGO: Well, that would be surprising if she wasn`t in the area at the time an alleged murder happened. And it would also be surprising because no one else has said that -- has -- Joe has never admitted that he committed a murder.

SIRGO: I have no knowledge that it`s viable (ph) to either acknowledge that he did or deny that he did. Our involvement in this case has been turned around a little bit. Initially, and even up until the last time we were interviewed by Florida enforcement, we were just being interviewed and being asked questions. The attack on Joseph by non-law enforcement, non-official entities has prompted us to respond to media`s requests to give some type of accounting for our position on this.

SIRGO: He was sleeping, and he was woken up by the same phone call at approximately 4:00 AM. And from that point, he went to the hospital to see his relative who had been in an accident, and then after that went, you know, with the rest of the family to the sheriff`s department, if I`m not mistaken, to discuss what was going on. They all went out and put flyers out, you know, trying to help find the missing child

NANCY GRACE http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/19/ng.01.html

Police Tell Haleigh`s Father to Plan Funeral

Aired April 19, 2010



Mr. Sirgo, thank you for being with us.

SHAWN SIRGO, ATTORNEY FOR JOE OVERSTREET: Good evening.

GRACE: Sir, what can you tell me about Joe Overstreet, your client, leaving town the night Haleigh goes missing?

SIRGO: Joseph went to Florida with a friend. They had a scheduled day they were going to arrive. They had a scheduled day they were going to leave. Joe was a passenger in someone else`s car. He only left because that was the day that they had originally planned to leave. It wasn`t that he was leaving for any other reason.

GRACE: Did they leave late in the night? Didn`t they leave late in the night?

SIRGO: They left late. Joe was out putting flyers out, trying to help the family locate Haleigh, so he was assisting in the initial search in the morning. But when his ride left, he left with it.


GRACE: OK. So you`ve never argued to a jury why someone says a certain thing, why for instance a co-defendant may implicate your client? You`ve never discussed that in front of a jury based on the evidence, you can`t make a deduction?

SIRGO: We`re officers of the court. And I`m not going to weigh in on speculation or guess -- guessing when the police have an ongoing investigation.

I just know that my client, Joseph, is innocent. He had nothing to do with this. And he`s being thrown under the rug by people who may and possibly do have something to hide. I`m here for Joseph. I don`t care what they do.

GRACE: Mr. Sirgo, your client, Joe Overstreet, does he have a juvenile criminal record? And if so, what is it for?

SIRGO: Let me explain the parameters that we have to live within that the average person understand. We are officers of the court we --

GRACE: You already said that.

SIRGO: That`s right. And I`ll say it again. Anything that has to do with a juvenile is protected, whether it`s civil or criminal --

GRACE: So you`re denying he has a record?
SIRGO: I -- ma`am, I`m explaining to you that I cannot tell you one way or the other because by court order and rules we cannot discuss anything to do with a juvenile in a court case.
GRACE: Actually, that`s not the law. Actually, what the law is that the court or the district attorney or the prosecution or the cops, the police, they cannot divulge it. Your client or you could divulge it.

Nothing bars you or your client from divulging his juvenile record. So don`t try to pull that over on me, Mr. Sirgo.

SIRGO: Ma`am, you`re wrong. If I have things under seal, as you know, I would not be able to discuss them. So since you`re not in Tennessee and you don`t know the cases I`ve been involved in, you have no knowledge of why I`m taking the stand I`m taking. You`re speculating.

NANCY GRACE http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/17/ng.01.html

Haleigh`s Dad Set to Testify against Misty; Ron Cummings to Take Plea Deal on Drug Charges

Aired May 17, 2010


CUMMINGS: I still got one pending that`s assault with a deadly weapon, charge pending and I never -- I didn`t even -- my guns were at home are locked up in a gun cabinet, dude.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)



(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. CROSLIN: Ronald`s family is not as good as everybody think they are.

CUMMINGS: I have been slandered into a sorry father.

M. CROSLIN: They all take pills. They all do (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

CUMMINGS: I`m not hiding anything for anybody.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And former brother-in-law, Tommy Croslin.

CUMMINGS: If somebody has something to do with it, so be it. Who ever it might be.

M. CROSLIN: I would never hurt her.

CUMMINGS: That is who it is.

BROOKS: What does Ronald know in this, too?

HOLLARS: Her and Ron had fought that day.

CUMMINGS: I know she was the last one to see her.

HOLLARS: And she told him she didn`t want to babysit.

M. CROSLIN: They look at me like their mom.

HOLLARS: And he told her, yes, you are going to babysit.

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS` MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: My grandchildren loved Misty and that Misty love my grandchildren.

HOLLARS: I think he knows more than what he is saying.

CUMMINGS: I don`t think that she holds any information that`s going to find Haleigh.

HOLLARS: The fact that leaving those kids there with her and her still having pills.

CUMMINGS: Nobody knows whether it`s a psycho or sicko.

HOLLARS: Would you leave your kids with somebody that`s all doped up?

CUMMINGS: I know somebody took my little girl. A sorry piece of trash that will be wasted with when it`s all over. Somebody stole my child out of my bed. I come home from work and my -- my child was not there.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, joining us out of Sacramento, California.

So, Leonard, you say this plea deal with Ronald Cummings has been in the work for sometime. About a month, right?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: That`s correct, yes.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: What do you believe Ronald Cummings has to offer at trial -- at a murder trial?

PADILLA: Well, I don`t think it`s so much what he has to offer at a trial. It`s the thought that Misty has to have in her mind and Tommy has to have in his mind as to what does Ronald have that he might be able to say against us in the criminal trial on the narcotics, on the drugs. Somehow Misty has to get her mind to retaliating against him.

Now one of the things Joe keeps being brought up. His belongings that were dumped at a gas station before they got back to Tennessee or on the route to Tennessee, when the young lady gave him a ride back, they were searched by the authorities back there and they are in the custody of the authorities.

So in my way of thinking, if there was something incriminating in his belongings, he would not be free today. So there`s much left of speculation as to why Joe is being talked about by Tommy and Misty as being the culprit in this thing when they themselves have a lot to --

GRACE: Got it.

PADILLA: -- own up to. Tommy himself lied about being at the trailer and Misty has lied throughout the whole situation.

NANCY GRACE http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/14/ng.01.html

Tommy Croslin Says Cousin Joe Did It

Aired May 14, 2010 -

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TOMMY CROSLIN, MISTY`S BROTHER: I need her to get my lawyer down here. It`s important.

GRACE: Your client knows what happened that night?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I am dying for an arrest to be made in this case.

TOMMY CROSLIN: I got to do something. It needed to be done -- it should have been done already.

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S GRANDMOTHER: She grabbed Junior and got into bed, and they covered up their heads completely.

CHELSEA CROSLIN, MISTY`S SISTER-IN-LAW: I don`t believe that -- anything that Flo Hollars is saying I think is a complete lie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tommy Croslin`s attorney claims his client has admitted that Haleigh died inside the trailer in Satsuma.

HOLLARS: And when she took the covers off of her head, Haleigh was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Newly released audiotape shows Tommy Croslin points the finger at cousin Joe Overstreet, claiming he`s involved in Haleigh`s murder.

TOMMY CROSLIN: He`s got to pay.

HOLLARS: Is it the story that Misty`s saying?

TOMMY CROSLIN: Yes, but it -- yes, that`s it.

HOLLARS: Joe?

TOMMY CROSLIN: Yes?
HOLLARS: It`s Joe. I`ve been knowing this all along. I knew it was him.

TOMMY CROSLIN: It drives me crazy. He tried to kill all of us, so don`t be telling him until they get his *advertiser censored* because they`re going to get his *advertiser censored*.

HOLLARS: OK.

TOMMY CROSLIN: (INAUDIBLE) that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to Tommy Croslin`s attorney, James Werter, Tommy Croslin says Haleigh died inside her own home.

GRACE: Your client can ID the killer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s, first of all, not culpable, but he does know what happened that night.

HOLLARS: I was told that Ron come home, and Haleigh had took one of - - found one of his pills and took it and was dead. And Ron called you to get you to come up there and help Misty...

TOMMY CROSLIN: That`s (INAUDIBLE)

HOLLARS: ... and clean the house up and -- while he disposed of Haleigh.

TOMMY CROSLIN: That`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
GRACE: And where? Where is he saying it happened?

HARRIS: According to your sources, Nancy, he`s saying it`s inside the trailer. Doesn`t say it on this tape, but that is consistent with possibly what people have been speculating about a blanket that was seized and other things in the trailer that was just too neat for a crime scene.
WERTER: Off the tape? I can`t really say that. I mean, on the tape, what I gave you was just a redacted version. We took phone numbers out of it. But that`s the entire tape that you have. And if you notice, he did not go through what happened that night with Flora Hollars. He told -- he pointed the fingers. He denied one version that Flora put to him.

Now, off, he told me that it did occur in the trailer and that he and Misty were not participants but were scared to death of Joe`s behavior. They grew up with this guy. They say even though he doesn`t have a criminal record, he did have a very violent past and they were afraid of him. And there was a weapon of intimidation there. And I don`t want to get into that because we`re still trying to make sure everybody is telling the truth this time, finally, and getting the story as it should be, OK, with the truth.

And if I give you too much, it`ll go over the air and then they can, you know, coordinate or collaborate their own stories together, even though they`re not in communications. So I am hesitant in giving you more.

GRACE: Well, Mr. Werter, basically, it sounds like you`re saying he told you more, but you can`t commit to it on air because his story might change.

WERTER: No. No. I did not say that. I want a pure interview of both of these. My understanding through Robert Fields is that their stories now, even though they haven`t been together to collaborate their stories, are pretty well matched up, you know, with a reasonable amount of tolerances that you would expect normal witnesses. They`re not mirror images and they`re not widely different. So that`s a normal -- that`s what you look for in trial.

And you know this. If you get two people who are mirror image, it causes suspicion. If they`re too widely apart, then their credibility is shot there, too. So what the thing is, is to see what the pure story is. And if they have communications, third party, whatever, you know, it may taint the purity of their testimony...

GRACE: Well, isn`t it true...

NANCY GRACE http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/30/ng.01.html

Tommy Croslin Recants

Aired April 30, 2010 - 20:00:00


HOLLARS: I know one thing. Misty had been out on a drug binge for three days. Her and Ron had fought that day, and she told him she didn`t want to babysit, and he told her yes, you are going to babysit.

Art Harris, he`s now saying he never went to the home, banged on the door between 10:00 and 10:30, and that nobody answered.

HARRIS: That`s right, Nancy. And his private investigator, Steve Brown (ph), tells me that`s not possible because his wife got home about 10:15. He was baby-sitting. He doesn`t rule out he could have gone over there later. But the fact that Tommy is now saying he lied to police does not help the prosecution`s case, it seems.

GRACE: To Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, who has offered to bail Croslin out from behind bars, now offering to bail out Ronald Cummings, what do you make of Tommy Croslin`s about-face?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, we`d -- I discussed this thing at length with Lindsay on several occasions, about the 10:00 o`clock thing. And I kept asking Lindsay, How could it be true one way or the other if he had never said anything about it for about eight months? It seemed to me that he would have said right off the bat, I went over there and there was nobody there at 10:00 o`clock, but he didn`t do that until October.
And then afterwards, something came to me from an individual in the investigation that Tommy -- and this was about a month ago -- had said, Well, maybe I didn`t go over there after all. And myself and Lindsay were more inclined to believe that he hadn`t gone over there because he was home until 10:15 with the kids, and she didn`t get home until about that time from school.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, ARTHARRIS.COM: Nancy, I can tell you that Misty Croslin is telling police that Tommy took her to that dock on the river to identify the place that he threw -- he says he and Joe Overstreet threw Haleigh`s body.
Police took her there to see if she could identify that as the dock that they went to purportedly the night Tommy showed her where it happened.

GRACE: And what about the recant?

HARRIS: Tommy Croslin has now said he lied to police when he said he went to the trailer at 10:00 p.m. He says he never did -- he said it to get out of jail so they would reduce his bond on the gun theft charge. And now -- you`re right. It throws the case out the window.

A good statement/theory from LP.
NANCY GRACE http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/20/ng.01.html

Misty Reportedly Shown Bones Believed to be Haleigh`s

Aired April 20, 2010 -

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, OFFERING TO BAIL RON CUMMINGS OUT OF JAIL: Well, I think it`s all -- he`s always right on top of everything and ahead of everybody else. But there`s one thing that we`re forgetting. Law enforcement has the phone calls that went back and forth, say, after 10:00 until 3:00 in the morning, and they have the phones that they went from and to.

We`re eliminating automatically Tim and Chelsea from the equation and putting it on Joe because of what Chelsea said as far as the keys on the counter and the van being parked somewhere else.

Now, Lindsay stood by her husband Tommy over 50 conversations. Chelsea has stood by Timmy over 50 conversations. Joe is saying I wasn`t there, I didn`t do anything.

But law enforcement knows what phone calls came from and what phones they went to. And nobody has bothered to say, well, wait a minute, the van was borrowed from Tommy -- actually, it`s Lindsay because it`s her van. And it was at Timmy and Chelsea`s house.

Joe was merely a guest there. And everybody`s dumping on Joe. I don`t believe Joe had anything to do with it. I tend to -- I`m going to err, if at all, on the side of Joe and say he didn`t have anything to do with it.

So who brought the van from Timmy`s house, picked up Tommy, or whatever, and then went to Misty?

Now Misty`s not telling anybody the truth as to what happened to the child. The child was already deceased when they came to that trailer. So what happened there?

 

[kant]

I'm not sure what it points to, but the scream from the trailer, Misty in the yard & crying on the phone, the 1st 911 call, the barking dogs, the cops being at Tommy's, somebody claiming to have last seen Haleigh an hour & a half earlier, Ron getting home, Misty & Ron calling 911...this is all too jammed up, to not be related. & none of this points to Joe. But surely Shoemaker realizes that this does not look good for Ron. He just happens to unknowingly walk in during the middle of all this drama? after stopping for cigs & peanuts? after calling Misty a gazillion times with no answer? & his 1st question, is why are you still up? No, I'm not believing that. But it's looking even worse for Tommy. Why were his dogs barking? I'm sure those dogs were used to late night action, so what made this night different? & WTH was Lindsey doing, during all of this? sleeping peacefully, beside her man? after the 2 dinners she had eaten earlier? Really...how have these people gotten away with this for so long? Jr had slept the day away, according to Misty, so how could that child have slept through all of this commotion? & then TN was there, lickety split, & with pic in hand, to boot? Were there no pics of Haleigh in the trailer? in Ron's wallet? from looking at this, & trying to see a motive for all of their lies, Tommy is the only one who doesn't make some kind of sense. & why blame Joe? if he was involved, wouldn't he have showed up somewhere in all of this drama?

I agree and the fact that it is not ALL coming from ONE (or two) folks make it even more pertinent to me.

Also, I think it's Concerned Papa and / or Aksleuth who have an interesting clip from youtube of TN with Greta VanS in which TN says that upon hearing that Haleigh was missing that she assumed she was hiding under a bed or something. If so, why take a photo with you? Also, why didnt Ron have one, as you mentioned? Too many weird bits here and if considered individually maybe they're not riveting; But lump them together and... yikes.

moo

 

[dodie20]

another thing that doesn't jibe with the Joe did it story...if Joe stole Ron's gun, & they argued to the point of Hank having to intervene, (I don't remember Ron's exact words, but he claimed that Hank had his back & took care of business), then why in the world would Hank offer Joe a place to stay? why not just tell him to get lost? especially since everybody was already scared of him, & didn't like him? & then, considering that Hank & Joe were on the outs, why would Joe get up so early to visit him in the hospital, if he was fixin' to get out anyway? None of this makes sense. This makes me think that maybe the argument over the gun wasn't such a big deal, & the fight was latched on to, as an excuse to bring Joe into that night. Also, does anybody know how close these people were to Joe? Considering how far apart they all lived, & the trouble Hank had with money & wheels, I don't see them visiting much, at all. & Joe had to bum a ride. So, why was he there, & why did he stay so long? You'd think he would've had a life, (a job or something), to get back to. maybe he took his 'job' with him. Also, he's not much older than Misty. 1 or 2 years? I'm not buying those molestation claims. If he messed with her, her daddy could've broken him in half.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

sorry to quote my own post, but I've got no edit button...I seem to remember reading that somebody claimed to have seen Haleigh an hour or so before Misty called 911. Does anybody know who made that statement & where it was made from? because if Tommy made it from his address, there's another problem with his story & timeline. I thought Misty made it either in the 911 or to the police, but I can't find it.

How does this bunch keep up with all their different stories. Looks like LE would have to be able to put each person's lies together and piece together which stories could be:sick: true. but what do I know?! :banghead::banghead:
I think when I have a few hours, I will outline each person with all their different stories! Someone here probably has already done it. Maybe we just need to update it daily with these people and their lies.