Tony Padilla Q&A

[milliac]

Since the signatures are on pages not on the same as the document, the signature sheets could be originals and the document could have been replace. Since TP doesn't have a copy unless JB admits to swapping the document, which is doubtful, how would TP prove that he didn't sign that document?

Lol... We were on the same thought. Does the notary work for JB?

 

[RR0004]

Not a forgery, but fabrication of evidence that was submitted to court as proof of a claim. A claim of forgery requires the services of a document examiner to prove. Both would be grounds for permanent disbarrment and even criminal charges. However, I think the claim here is that Tony signed something and has not disputed his signature, just the document to which it was attached.

Yes...especially if his was different in any way, shape, or form than the others. Has he mentioned that the wording of his document was different than what was presented to the court?

 

[DotsEyes]

Wouldn't the notary keep a log of the type of document notarized. Did you and LP sign the same page on any other document and they attaced this page to the privacy agreement?

I never understand why the notarized signature page is separate with no notation or footer referencing the document.

No Notaries do not keep logs or copies of things they notarize. In this case, all the Notary did was attest that the person signed that line directly above did so in front of them. Attesting to the signature, not the document - that is all the Notary does. The signature could have been attached to another document when Notarized, or none at all.

 

[Jolynna]

He did say there was a third party there.

Right.

But the notary doesn't have control over who does what to the documents after she's notarized them. And notaries sure don't read the contents of every paper they notarize. They just attest that the person before them that signed is who they say they are.

Copies are not legal if challenged.

When you sign your will, you have to sign more than one copy because there HAS to be an original to establish provenance. If JB's document is real, he'll have an original.

 

[cyberborg]

And if this is the case (that he claims he lost the original) - how many more slaps on the wrists or reprimands is this man going to receive before he gets the final boot?

So to put this into context and reiterate, JB (and the Defense) are going to a lot of trouble (and risk) to preclude any testimony from Tracy in regard to KC's state of mind and statements.

There is a LOT of other evidence, such as 31 days and lies lies lies, to warrant this high of a stake ....... things that make you go hmmmmm?

 

[Bathbuddys]

Didn't TP say earlier that he was in such a hurry or in a tizzy that he doesn't remember what he signed and that he forgot to ask for a copy? Could it be that he did sign an agreement afterall and that this doc is not forged? I may have that wrong, so I better go back and search for that post by TP.

He said on National TV that he signed an agreement ONLY between himself and Leonard Padilla for the bond. He said he NEVER signed an agreement as an employee of Baez or LP...



His agreement was Seperate from LP< TM and RD's agreements with Baez

 

[RR0004]

Well with a computer being the likely way that this was typed up...if there was TRULY an issue they'd be able to tell if there were any changes made, right? I doubt it will get that far.

 

[jandkmom]

Lol... We were on the same thought. Does the notary work for JB?

We were thinking the same thing

In a prior job, I use to notarize documents and would never notarize anything without seeing the person sign it, but I have known a person who would notarize without seeing them sign and I know of a mother who notarized for her son, which is also not authorized.

 

[DotsEyes]

Since the signatures are on pages not on the same as the document, the signature sheets could be originals and the document could have been replace. Since TP doesn't have a copy unless JB admits to swapping the document, which is doubtful, how would TP prove that he didn't sign that document?

He, TP, signed one document and as I understand it, it was not a document to which LP ot the other 2 were parties. Therefore, the text of the document which names all four, combined with LP's signature following TP's is a BIG clue.

 

[Jolynna]

Is there a way to prove it's been cut and pasted?

There won't be an original.

Somebody HAS to produce the original of any document, if authenticity is challenged, for it to stand as a legal document.

That is why you have to sign so many original copies when you write your will or do a prenup.

 

[RR0004]

Right. If the copy attached to the motion is a fudged document, according to Tony, in front of the notary Tony signed HIS agreement with JB in front of the notary. And the notary signed and stamped under Tony's signature on THAT document.

Then three bounty hunters signed THEIR agreement with JB in front of the notary. And the notary signed and stamped under the three signatures on the second document.

Then somebody scanned copies of the signature pages, pulled them into a program like photoshop, rearranged the signatures and turned two documents into one.

If not, Baez has an original. When you sign your will, you have to sign more than one copy because there HAS to be an original to establish provenance. If JB's document is real, he'll have an original.

Did TP ever say his document read differently than the others? I would think it had to if it's been brought to the State's attention. If it was all the same document and then they added the signature page, I can see that perhaps that was done without malice.

ETA: thanks to all who have taken the time to explain!! I get it now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No Notaries do not keep logs or copies of things they notarize. In this case, all the Notary did was attest that the person signed that line directly above did so in front of them. Attesting to the signature, not the document - that is all the Notary does. The signature could have been attached to another document when Notarized, or none at all.

Smart Notaries do! Actually, most Notaries here keep logs. It isn't required, but it is highly recommended by the Sec. of State's Office.

 

[MaedchenX]

So to put this into context and reiterate, JB (and the Defense) are going to a lot of trouble (and risk) to preclude any testimony from Tracy in regard to KC's state of mind and statements.

There is a LOT of other evidence, such as 31 days and lies lies lies, to warrant this high of a stake ....... things that make you go hmmmmm?

This really has me wondering. I for one was not expecting anything earth shattering in terms of Cassey's guilt from Tracy, Rob, LP, et al as I pretty much assumed she would be on her best behavior and following all directives from her attorney at that point. I still am dubious as to why we are seeing this action now, particularly if there is any question to the authenticity of the original agreement and whether there was an intentional attempt to deceive the court to determine the outcome of a ruling about testimony in this case.

I am rambling now, apologies.

 

[Bathbuddys]

I don't question disbarment if a forgery can be proven. My question is how will they prove it to be a forgery if TP didn't retain his own copy and JB claims that the original has been lost. In this case, I don't think he would be disbarred. Maybe reprimanded and the motion thrown out?

And to add to your excellent advice... never leave blank lines on documents you sign.

He had COPIES of the agreements in court so he BEST have the originals to back them up... and YES you can tell usually if a document has been doctored.

 

[RR0004]

This really has me wondering. I for one was not expecting anything earth shattering in terms of Cassey's guilt from Tracy, Rob, LP, et al as I pretty much assumed she would be on her best behavior and following all directives from her attorney at that point. I still am dubious as to why we are seeing this action now, particularly if there is any question to the authenticity of the original agreement and whether there was an intentional attempt to deceive the court to determine the outcome of a ruling about testimony in this case.

I am rambling now, apologies.

An awful lot of trouble could be coming down the pike...it must have been "something".

 

[RR0004]

Did he not think that TP wouldn't notice?

 

[Marina2]

Not a forgery, but fabrication of evidence that was submitted to court as proof of a claim. A claim of forgery requires the services of a document examiner to prove. Both would be grounds for permanent disbarrment and even criminal charges. However, I think the claim here is that Tony signed something and has not disputed his signature, just the document to which it was attached.

I don't understand the distinction you are making. The fabricated evidence is the forged document. Presenting it in court in an attempt to deceive is fraud. If the forgery is proven then he will be charged with fraud as well and both will lead to disbarment. But, the forgery will have to be proven first.

 

[Jolynna]

We were thinking the same thing

In a prior job, I use to notarize documents and would never notarize anything without seeing the person sign it, but I have known a person who would notarize without seeing them sign and I know of a mother who notarized for her son, which is also not authorized.

But, a notary has no control over who does what to a document after it has been notarized.

IF anybody fudged any documents they cut, pasted, rearranged and produced a COPY.

Baez brought a copy to court.

 

[DotsEyes]

You mean is was just a clerical error and the wrong signature page was attached to the wrong document? Then how does LP's signature show up below TP's on the same page?

Attorneys are responsible for the errors of their staff. Can't shirk the non-delegable duty to produce accurate and true evidence to the court. Once JB signed it, he became liable for the content and exhibits. It's his baby, sink or swim.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Did he not think that TP wouldn't notice?

Apparently not! This is typical JB behavior. I keep thinking back on the lies he posted on his website. He never stops and thinks that anyone will notice his fabrications! I hope this guy finally gets slapped down for good.