Trial Concerns and Worries

[Missy70Texas]

BBM: :sick:

I am concerned by the age thing, that the defense feels certain concessions should be made for someone that is 22 versus, say, 40.

I know a lot of people, including the majority of the Supreme Court, feel that age makes a difference. But I was one of the 6 million terrorized by the DC snipers, and I was upset when the decision effected Lee Malvo's fate-I think he should've gone down with John Mohammed. After all, Malvo did not seem to care that the boy he shot in the back was only 13 years old, walking into his middle school in Maryland. He was "grown" enough to shoplift guns and to evade the feds for a time as an illegal.

Fortunately, the jury will get to consider Caylee's age as an aggravating factor.

I have always been of the belief that age makes no difference where murder is concerned, even if the perp is 10 years old he/she should be tried as an adult. Age should not be a factor when a life is lost. Too many kids killing these days the laws need to toughen up for juveniles, it's at the point that if they don't like parental discipline, they kill, if they don't like their teachers, they kill, if they don't like how their schoolmates look at them, they kill. They do not value life and I imagine that they don't even see death as final. Nope, who cares how old KC was, she wasn't even a juvenile anymore, she was an adult, she killed her child, her age should NOT be a factor. Caylee's age should, not KC's.

 

[Omachka]

Can someone please clear up for me the question of juror #1319? Why did juror 1319 give you the heebie jeebies?

She gives me the heebie jeebies too. The State tried twice to use a strike on her but it was disallowed. LDB said she is afraid this woman will hang the jury because she says she can't judge people due to her religious beliefs. She was allowed to stay because apparently you can't use a strike against a person because of race. Personally, I don't think the State's concerns had anything to do with her race. I just don't want any more delays for Caylee's justice.

While I'm posting, I don't have the heebie jeebies about any other aspect of the State's case. I think it's rock solid.

 

[juskiss]

#1319 is my biggest worry as well. I posted on a different thread that I am just basically hoping that her unwillingness to judge runs both ways, that she feels she has no more right to judge someone innocent than she does to judge them guilty. Her personal/religious feelings on this matter are moot at this point, anyway...she now has no choice but to judge one way or the other.

 

[GennyMac]

I am really concerned that ICA will pull the drip drip drip, swipe swipe swipe teary thingy she does throughout the trial and completely perform as a young mother who lost her child instead of the cold hearted soulless narcissist we know her to be.

 

[xin]

#1319 is my biggest worry as well. I posted on a different thread that I am just basically hoping that her unwillingness to judge runs both ways, that she feels she has no more right to judge someone innocent than she does to judge them guilty. Her personal/religious feelings on this matter are moot at this point, anyway...she now has no choice but to judge one way or the other.

She will be dismissed is my guess. If not for failure to deliberate, she'll have some other pressing business appear. We've seen that with certain jurors in the past. She's my #1 in the possible dismissal pool (for non-controversial reason, like health or pressing personal reasons). My guess. We shall see who need to be replaced, but we do know it will be someone(s).

 

[allycat1208]

She will be dismissed is my guess. If not for failure to deliberate, she'll have some other pressing business appear. We've seen that with certain jurors in the past. She's my #1 in the possible dismissal pool (for non-controversial reason, like health or pressing personal reasons). My guess. We shall see who need to be replaced, but we do know it will be someone(s).

This woman is actually on the jury? I thought she was challenged for cause or striked or something. The defense would probably like her. Didn't the State try to get rid of her? I'm stunned!

 

[juskiss]

IIRC, the state did indeed try to get rid of her, but they were denied. I agree that the defense is probably thrilled with such a juror.

eta that IMO, this particular juror should have been excused immediately on finding out she has an issue judging people and I am a bit confused as to why she wasn't.

 

[LambChop]

IIRC, the state did indeed try to get rid of her, but they were denied. I agree that the defense is probably thrilled with such a juror.

eta that IMO, this particular juror should have been excused immediately on finding out she has an issue judging people and I am a bit confused as to why she wasn't.

I believe it was JB that objected because of her race stating SA did not want her because of her race (AA). DT saw an opportunity and jumped on it. Judge Perry may have felt they would have a good appeal if he dismissed her. If she truly is having problems with evidence and "judging" KC they will let her make the decision to step down I'm guessing. If she was serious that is exactly what she will do. jmo

 

[allycat1208]

IIRC, the state did indeed try to get rid of her, but they were denied. I agree that the defense is probably thrilled with such a juror.

eta that IMO, this particular juror should have been excused immediately on finding out she has an issue judging people and I am a bit confused as to why she wasn't.

I just looked her up and found this article about her:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110518...ry_challenge_of_black_woman_not_raceneutral_1

It's still a bit confusing, but I understand now how they managed to keep her. Is this the same woman who did not understand a # the more simple questions, which had to be rephrased? There might have been a few women that fits that description, though

 

[juskiss]

Well, I'm no expert but, setting aside all other issues (specifically the judging others thing) isn't keeping her because of her race just as bad as dismissing her because of her race?

 

[Reznor]

ITA. I think LDB was right when she said this woman will hang the jury. She said repeatedly she could not judge another person for religious reasons. That is one thing you don't mess with...a person's religious beliefs. They are much stronger than instructions given by a judge because they are answering to a higher power in their mind. I think it was a huge mistake by not letting her go. The entire point of jury duty is to listen to testimony then judge the defendant.

IMO

In my life time I have noticed, people that say they are not jealous at all, are the most jealous of all. The same with people that say, they are not judgmental or don't judge. They tend to judge people simply by their appearance. Casey in their eyes is a sinner and this juror will judge her. imo!

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

i'm concerned about a couple of things...

how many alternates did we manage to get? i haven't been following closely, but i'm certain it wasn't the 8 JP wanted? i'm kind of afraid of running out of jurors and having to start over...

other than that,i really don't know what else to say... the juror who can't judge people sounds scary, but hopefully the jury will have a strong leader and this juror will come to realize that either she just shushes and does her job as a juror... or she will let a killer run free. i think after seeing caylee's sweet face and hearing the horrors that happened to her, she'll change her mind.

 

[strach304]

#1319 is my biggest worry as well. I posted on a different thread that I am just basically hoping that her unwillingness to judge runs both ways, that she feels she has no more right to judge someone innocent than she does to judge them guilty. Her personal/religious feelings on this matter are moot at this point, anyway...she now has no choice but to judge one way or the other.

She's a terrible actress, don't worry about it.:therethere:

This was meant for Justkiss. <mod snip>

 

[crucibelle]

i'm concerned about a couple of things...

how many alternates did we manage to get? i haven't been following closely, but i'm certain it wasn't the 8 JP wanted? i'm kind of afraid of running out of jurors and having to start over...

other than that,i really don't know what else to say... the juror who can't judge people sounds scary, but hopefully the jury will have a strong leader and this juror will come to realize that either she just shushes and does her job as a juror... or she will let a killer run free. i think after seeing caylee's sweet face and hearing the horrors that happened to her, she'll change her mind.

There are five alternates.

 

[crucibelle]

I am really concerned that ICA will pull the drip drip drip, swipe swipe swipe teary thingy she does throughout the trial and completely perform as a young mother who lost her child instead of the cold hearted soulless narcissist we know her to be.

IIRC, none of us here fell for ICA's fake crying act... so hopefully, the jurors won't, either. It kind of concerns me that even though she will be facing the jurors, she's going to be all the way on the other side of the courtroom. If the defense was sitting in their normal place, she'd be right beside the jury. I'm wondering if that was one of the real reasons the DT wanted to move.

 

[scotslass]

Didn't really have any big worries, i know there will be some shocking moments and a few jaw dropping events as we have witnessed this all along. However the state always seems to be prepared we have seen a lot of the discovery and it seems pretty damning. I have racked my brain over and over and still cannot fathom what JB's "ah ha" moment could be and still cannot fathom anything that will blow the states case out of the water.

Then my Dh said to me "you mean to tell me never in your life have you presented with something that totally changed your perspective even though you were sure you were right?" Hmmm well yes it has... and it has happened many times in history (thinking back to when the world was flat)..

So now he has me concerned that JB really does have something but for the life of me i cannot fathom what it could be.. So now i cannot sleep thinking about those opening statements. Then reality slaps me in face and i realize this is just my nerves getting the better of me. I'm sure come tuesday when JB has laid out his opening statements, i will be able to breathe again as his "ah ha moment" just isn't going to be something as profound as the world not not being flat... and i will be able to go back to my regularly scheduled reality where Justice for Caylee has begun and ICA will be well on her way to the end of the hallway yet again....

 

[GutFeeling!]

IIRC, the state did indeed try to get rid of her, but they were denied. I agree that the defense is probably thrilled with such a juror.

eta that IMO, this particular juror should have been excused immediately on finding out she has an issue judging people and I am a bit confused as to why she wasn't.

I thhink the DT is indeed happy she is on the jury, her and the other man (I think an AA who is against the DP) BUT she is one vote, you don't need 12 for the DP ... 7 will suffice, at 6 I think she will get it, given the DP is harder to get than a guilty verdict.

 

[GutFeeling!]

I just looked her up and found this article about her:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110518...ry_challenge_of_black_woman_not_raceneutral_1

It's still a bit confusing, but I understand now how they managed to keep her. Is this the same woman who did not understand a # the more simple questions, which had to be rephrased? There might have been a few women that fits that description, though

She did have terrible problems understanding questions.

 

[BritsKate]

I am really concerned that ICA will pull the drip drip drip, swipe swipe swipe teary thingy she does throughout the trial and completely perform as a young mother who lost her child instead of the cold hearted soulless narcissist we know her to be.

I have no doubt ICA's demeanor at trial will be nothing short of self-serving but...

a) the jury will be watching her with eagle eyes the duration of the trial - that's a whole lotta facade to attempt to maintain on her part.

b) the jury will be able to compare her actions in trial to the phone call home in which her friend is pleading for Caylee's safe return - while she carries on and on about Tony. The huge grin upon her first arrest; the repeated statements in regards to everyone just caring about where Caylee is, etc. The often flippant, sometimes angry, and overwhelmingly selfish behavior immediately after her daughter is reported missing....to the inconsolable defendant today.

I have great faith the jury will be able to see through her antics when put right beside how ICA behaved when Caylee was missing - both before and after she was arrested.

 

[MaryB]

Didn't really have any big worries, i know there will be some shocking moments and a few jaw dropping events as we have witnessed this all along. However the state always seems to be prepared we have seen a lot of the discovery and it seems pretty damning. I have racked my brain over and over and still cannot fathom what JB's "ah ha" moment could be and still cannot fathom anything that will blow the states case out of the water.

Then my Dh said to me "you mean to tell me never in your life have you presented with something that totally changed your perspective even though you were sure you were right?" Hmmm well yes it has... and it has happened many times in history (thinking back to when the world was flat)..

So now he has me concerned that JB really does have something but for the life of me i cannot fathom what it could be.. So now i cannot sleep thinking about those opening statements. Then reality slaps me in face and i realize this is just my nerves getting the better of me. I'm sure come tuesday when JB has laid out his opening statements, i will be able to breathe again as his "ah ha moment" just isn't going to be something as profound as the world not not being flat... and i will be able to go back to my regularly scheduled reality where Justice for Caylee has begun and ICA will be well on her way to the end of the hallway yet again....

Don't worry. Have a good rest. In the three years, I've watched and listened to Baez, he's got nothing. It's all sound bites for TV. I've never seen a lawyer so unprepared and inept as Baez. I'm sure, at this very moment, he is still trying to figure out his aha moment.