trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #120

[Tipstaff]

Alice is spouting what Wilmot wants but Alice has checked out.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

There is NO way she should be testifying to this

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I know a lot of us say "there is a method to Juan's madness"........What we have here folks is NO method to JW and AlV's madness :furious:

 

[basilcat]

Nurmi's squirming!

 

[JusticeJunkie]

The jury saw JA on the stand with JM. They understand TA's rants. Trust

Thanks - I needed that

 

[karengo]

Good grief! According to this woman and her days of testimony travis should have been killed long ago he was just so controlling, abusive and jealous. I really wish she would just shut up already!!

 

[garthmax]

I can't take anymore of AVL talking. In fact, I stopped watching long ago and just read this blog. It has been so bad I decided to strip the popcorn off my ceiling. Looking forward to hearing JM opening statement tomorrow again.

 

[Kensie]

This is really unfair. The fact that Sandi did not GET psychiatric help for Jodi does not mean she did not TRY to get help for her. Here is a sample of responses from my own experiences:

Me: I desperately need help for my son who says he wants to hurt people. He has been violent his whole life. He thinks he has aids and wants to die.

Responses:

Do you have insurance?
Has he actually done anything?
Can you have him call us?
Call your family doctor.
Get a restraining order
Call the police.
Call right after an incident
How can you be sure he did this?
You have no proof and he denies it?
He has to admit it and ask for help
The victim also denies it?
I'm sorry ma'am we don't do that, let me refer you...
He has to come through the emergency room
We only provide charity after the incident
We only hold people for 24 hours, 3 days, 30 days
We have a DV/AA/NA support group

Whether the person is an adult or child, they have to be willing to describe their behavior truthfully and sincerely seek help. This is why I say it wouldn't matter even if she had made Jodi sit in front of a professional. She would have lied.

I have worked for a pediatric neurological psychologist doing evaluations of disturbed children. The evaluation itself is almost $1,000 and (rich) people would come from all over the country to have their troubled children diagnosed. The doctor would diagnose using games and tests which are designed to cross check each other - each child took almost ten tests, including one observing the child's interaction with the doctor's dogs.

My son was accurately diagnosed at significant expense in the seventies and I told you having a diagnosis does not mean you have "help". When they tell you your child is the "worst" they have seen and you are talking to a world-famous child psychiatrist and the next thing out of his mouth is "why don't you remarry," you realize they can't really help you. Your child is a subject, a data element, a curiosity, a case study.

When my son grew into adolescence, he considered it a form of intellectual sparring to go head to head with me in front of a school counselor, social worker, psychiatrist/etc and see who would be believed. To my absolute fury, these professionals would turn to me and say things like, "Your son says you are the one who threw the rock at his little brother. He says you have a drinking problem/drug problem/sex problem/OCD problem, etc. Is this true?" One time he even convinced an intake worker at a rehab facility that I was the one who should be admitted.

When we got home he would regale his brother with the stories of how he got the counselor to believe that his celibate, pregnant, temperate non-smoking, non-coffee-drinking Mormon mother was actually an alcoholic weed smoker with a cleanliness fetish. Of course this was only if he got a chance to talk to them first.

He fooled Food Stamp workers, Mormon bishops, psychiatrists, case workers, and lawyers because he had a lifetime of experience in mimicking emotions and he had an IQ over 150. He could not fool judges and anyone in the penal system.

A sociopathic teenager can tell a lie more effectively than you can tell the truth. I have no doubt in my mind that Ms. Arias threatened her mother that if she ever called in any professional help, she would make sure that she--Sandi--would be the one evaluated for involuntary commitment to a mental institution. And with her high-falutin words and her belief in her natural intellectual superiority (despite being a high school dropout), I think her threats might give her mother pause.

I could be wrong, but I think her reaction to her daughter's crime was disbelief and horror but not surprise. That would be my reaction should my son have committed a heinous murder. I think Jodi has verbally and physically abused Sandi for years, taking advantage of her mother's love for her to use and abuse her. She clearly has nothing but contempt for her for accepting this abuse.

Who KICKS a mother who has come to help her move???

What you see in court that appears to be stoicism or coldness or blunted affect and even the rudeness towards Travis' family is not what it seems.
I think it is the wilted, defeated affect of a lifelong victim--she is afraid of her daughter.

Thanks so much for sharing this. I have had similar issues and I know how gut wrenching and heart breaking it is. Getting help IS NOT EASY. I had all sorts of problems. Wasted over $1000 at pschriatrist office on visits where my child refused to talk. We sat there staring each other for around 4 or 5 sessions until I ran out of money. Money was a big issue - I did not have $80,000 to send my kid to a special school. The child's dad bailed and left me with the child to handle myself. I was kicked, beaten, called the cops, had the cops called on me - never getting any type of break. Family members would not help me because they were afraid of the child. My whole bottom line is that getting help is not as easy as it sounds. Also try raising a troubled child while trying to hold a job - not easy.

If you have not walked in these shoes, count your blessings. It is HARD, HARD and people are quick to blame you for everything.

Thanks again for sharing.

 

[Donnareit]

I think there should be a mistrial. This judge is incompetent.

:noooo: On behalf of every taxpayer in Arizona, WE DO NOT WANT TO RESTART THE 6 MILLION DOLLAR TRIAL !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rose222]

Please bring our knight in shining armour on cross quickly.

 

[Amster]

What recourse does the state have when a judge is incompetent or biased? This woman being allowed to opine what Travis meant or felt is criminal and is murdering him legally in the courtroom! My faith in the justice system is lower than a snakes belly!

Also, Jean C. and HLN are working with Nurmi and JW and of course, Jodi, to get a mistrial.

rant over

 

[magpie]

Jodi looks like she is holding herself from giggling today it seems.

Jodi must not realize how silly her new hairdo looks on her. It's just not a flattering look for her. IMHO.

 

[SheltieMom1]

When you say scary, are you talking about the emotion of fear?

Are you kidding me with these questions? For realz?

 

[newsjunkie]

lease: don't let one single person on this jury buy into this crappola.

 

[gngr~snap]

But he didn't drive 1000 miles to make her defend herself :waitasec:

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[mobius99]

So when JM shows how jealous Jodi was, will ALV admit that Jodi lost control and premeditated the murder of TA?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

She is spouting utter nonsense. She is not qualified to make these claims. This is insane

 

[lil_buddy]

worst metaphor ever: iceberg

 

[teledude]

I think when Jodi says things like "Have a nice day!" and other niceties, she isn't trying to deescalate the situation, she is being a smartass, and that only makes things worse. Anyone with half a brain can see right through her crap!!

Passive aggressive

totally manipulative

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

Would anger and rage be acted out by driving a thousand miles and slitting Travis' throat?