Trial Discussion Thread #1 - 14.03.03-06, Day 1-4

[zwiebel]

True that...
But this witness aparently helped the translator out by correcting her!
At least accoriding to people commenting at news24.com

Of course, this (if true) also implies this witness did NOT need a translator, and if I may, the conclusion apparently is that her testimony might have been more accurate if she testified in English without a translator!

Correct I think - language of instruction there is English!

http://www.iagora.com/studies/uni/University_of_Pretoria?review_id=9557

 

[bessie]

Thanks for the links, Zwei. :seeya:

How would one go back to sleep after hearing something so frightful. I'm not disparaging the witness, just imagining the situation from a person POV.

 

[Estelle]

Two fans? That's news to me. I remember OP originally stated one fan.

Yes why two fans now?

 

[shane13]

Correct I think - language of instruction there is English!

http://www.iagora.com/studies/uni/University_of_Pretoria?review_id=9557

Yes, my understanding too.

Maybe I can guess.
Are witnesses overreacting to Botha's conclusion of his own testimony?
He ended up later saying he wished he had spoken in Afrikaans instead of English which he originally thought was good enough.

 

[sorrell skye]

Yes why two fans now?

Maybe he can't keep track of his lies?

If he in fact brought in two fans from the balcony that night, why did he mention bringing in only one in his bail hearing affidavit last year?

I was skeptical of the fan story to begin with, now I'm pretty much convinced it was a contrived story.

 

[sorrell skye]

Two other families on witness list. Mb never met them

I wonder if either of these will testify to having seen the lights on in the house.

OP claimed the house was pitch dark.

 

[shane13]

In OP’s Bail Hearing Testimony, he stated or implied that after he shouted ”Get out of my House” or such, there was no utterance from whoever was in the toilet, so he blasted away.

Now we have heard the first of at least 3 state witnesses say she heard lengthy female screaming just before the 4 shots.

So as some of us have speculated, OP’s lengthy Bail Hearing Affidavit—while it may have helped him win bail—may prove disastrous in the final verdict of this trial. And he might have been better off in the long run, without such a lengthy affidavit. And his attorneys may not be so brilliant, as portrayed by MSM.

 

[shane13]

Does anyone have handy the following?

Who the 2 Advocates are and their background?

TIA

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I wonder if either of these will testify to having seen the lights on in the house.

OP claimed the house was pitch dark.

I guess it was the husband who saw the lights on..I hope he will testify that

 

[shane13]

KM tweets that Ms.Burger Will be cross-examined very shortly.

Gonna be interesting

 

[Tulessa]

I'm watching WAT, too. They're still showing the folks outside the courthouse. No audio.

Good morning all!

@ Wats and all I have is a black screen??

 

[katydid23]

So the 'new' defense tidbit we have now heard is that he talked with Reeva right before the incident, so that is his excuse for assuming she was in the bed, and not in the bathroom.

But if so, then that means she was awake. And if he knew she was awake, wouldnt he confer with her before getting his guns out and attacking an intruder? Wouldnt he have a quick discussion with his girlfriend about that?

 

[katydid23]

KM tweets that Ms.Burger Will be cross-examined very shortly.

Gonna be interesting

That is going to be major. If she holds up it will be huge for the state's case.

 

[shane13]

This is real sickening cross from Roux.
Should be disallowed.

Witness should oinly testify to what she heard, not whether she thinks OP is a liar.
That task is for the 3 people who will judge.

IMO shows the desperation of the DT!

 

[sorrell skye]

Oh my - Roux is trying to say the gunshots the witness heard could have been the cricket bat hitting the toilet room door. :facepalm:

 

[Tulessa]

How long do they break for lunch?

 

[sorrell skye]

How long do they break for lunch?

Tulessa - try this link if WAT isn't working for you (they've already taken lunch):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Watch-live-Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial.html

 

[BritsKate]

Does anyone have handy the following?

Who the 2 Advocates are and their background?

TIA

AFAIK, that information hasn't been released and may well not be. They've been appointed by the judge but she's pretty much gone on lockdown mode - refusing to supply media even her own CV. (I don't consider this a bad thing.)

From everything I've read, she has a great track record of stiff penalties for crimes against women but majority will rule in terms of a verdict - if the assessors both agree, they could override the judge.

 

[shane13]

Roux should not be allowed to ask this witness about what her husband heard.That is for when he testifies.

Sickening from Roux and also that PT and Judge do not object to this.

 

[shane13]

AFAIK, that information hasn't been released and may well not be. They've been appointed by the judge but she's pretty much gone on lockdown mode - refusing to supply media even her own CV. (I don't consider this a bad thing.)

From everything I've read, she has a great track record of stiff penalties for crimes against women but majority will rule in terms of a verdict - if the assessors both agree, they could override the judge.

I just found online that they are Janette Henzen-Du Toit and Themba Mazibuko.