Trial Discussion Thread #13 - 14.03.25, Day 15

[MeeBee]

BBM

True...

but in that case, he would be found guilty on some of the counts, because he would not be acting like a reasonable person in the midst of that crisis. anic:

I agree.

 

[zwiebel]

THAT point was explained. The phone goes off accessing the internet all by itself. Doing updates, checking for mail etc. The GPRS events are not actually somebody using the phone, surfing the net etc.

I thought that point was used to explain 'Reeva' being connected, 11 hours after she died. But I don't know if it excluded OP's actually using his device when he was supposed to be asleep?

 

[MeeBee]

Oh, Warren is the ex-boyfriend she met with.

 

[04009margaret]

The Oscar trial radio is reporting the next witness is the prosecution bat man again

 

[kittychi]

THAT point was explained. The phone goes off accessing the internet all by itself. Doing updates, checking for mail etc. The GPRS events are not actually somebody using the phone, surfing the net etc.

I understood that point was explained regarding Reeva's phone with times on it after she was dead. I don't recall the explanation for Oscar's phone.

In fact if OP was on his phone at 1:48 am, this would coincide with the time that Reeva ate, based on what the ME said about her stomach contents.

ETA: So perhaps they were both up? Perhaps OP lied on his affi that they went to bed at 10:00 pm.

 

[MeeBee]

I thought that point was used to explain 'Reeva' being connected, 11 hours after she died. But I don't know if it excluded OP's actually using his device when he was supposed to be asleep?

I thought Roux did say that the internet could be accessed on its own because Reeva's phone accessed the internet after she's already died, but that was not in relation to the phone having an app left open...I think. Lol. I'll go back and read if I'm wrong.

 

[zwiebel]

It appears she had offered to cook for him that night... either she got the menu wrong or because he had a bad experience at the dentist that day he didn't want to eat whatever? Is that the defense, he was out of his mind with a raw nerve?

I heard - but did not manage to catch - one more msg about the dentist not having the jabs or something? I'm not sure OP actually had his treatment, whatever it was. Or maybe he stewed on Reeva meeting another guy, cancelled the appointment and went off to spy on her instead......he did that at the event, when he accused her of touching the photographer's arm.

 

[Rumpole]

I thought that point was used to explain 'Reeva' being connected, 11 hours after she died. But I don't know if it excluded OP's actually using his device when he was supposed to be asleep?

I think that applies to all the GPRS events. Some are no doubt indicative of internet use.. but most are not. The only way to see actual web surfing by a person is to look at the browser history.. as submitted yesterday. And last use by OP was mentioned then... looking at a car site as I recall. Maybe that was just ipads... but no mention of internet browsing on phone by OP?

 

[soozieqtips]

I hope Roux and the team have a nice, color coded timeline chart... with circles and arrows and stuff.

Place all the State evidence points along it and the whole case will be clear. Especially the dopey notion that the shots were just after 3:17, yet OP was phoning at 3:19AM

Then I guess, the defense can get to the REAL case that should have been presented by the State ... which is explaining/justifying the fact that OP shot at what he genuinely thought was an intruder.

BIB - factually inaccurate and just your opinion. You can think OP genuinely thought there was an intruder, but to claim that's the 'real' case is plain wrong, and totally premature.

 

[MeeBee]

I think that applies to all the GPRS events. Some are no doubt indicative of internet use.. but most are not. The only way to see actual web surfing by a person is to look at the browser history.. as submitted yesterday. And last use by OP was mentioned then... looking at a car site as I recall.

Ok, so that's the questions. If the web was accessed, there would be evidence that there was surfing/browsing going on, right? And the prosecution did not present any evidence that there was, just that the internet was accessed?

 

[james83]

I thought that point was used to explain 'Reeva' being connected, 11 hours after she died. But I don't know if it excluded OP's actually using his device when he was supposed to be asleep?

Yes you are right. that was regarding Reeva's phone.
Pistorius made an internet connection lasting 309 seconds at 1.48am 14th feb 2013.

 

[Val1]

I heard - but did not manage to catch - one more msg about the dentist not having the jabs or something? I'm not sure OP actually had his treatment, whatever it was. Or maybe he stewed on Reeva meeting another guy, cancelled the appointment and went off to spy on her instead......he did that at the event, when he accused her of touching the photographer's arm.

Hmm, did anyone catch if his cell calls pinged off the tower she answered from while at coffee?

 

[Val1]

I think that applies to all the GPRS events. Some are no doubt indicative of internet use.. but most are not. The only way to see actual web surfing by a person is to look at the browser history.. as submitted yesterday. And last use by OP was mentioned then... looking at a car site as I recall. Maybe that was just ipads... but no mention of internet browsing on phone by OP?

That was only on his ipad, not sure if his ipad would record where his iphone visited?

 

[Rumpole]

Ok, so that's the questions. If the web was accessed, there would be evidence that there was surfing/browsing going on, right? And the prosecution did not present any evidence that there was, just that the internet was accessed?

Yes

I edited my post. We heard about ipad browser history, but not sure if we did hear about phone browsing history? But if there was something it would have been mentioned.

 

[steveml]

BBM

True...

but in that case, he would be found guilty on some of the counts, because he would not be acting like a reasonable person in the midst of that crisis. anic:

I agree.

That's exactly where I am.

 

[MeeBee]

Yes

I edited my post. We heard about ipad browser history, but not sure if we did hear about phone browsing history? But if there was something it would have been mentioned.

I have to believe if we didn't, it's because there was nothing significant recorded.

 

[Val1]

I understood that point was explained regarding Reeva's phone with times on it after she was dead. I don't recall the explanation for Oscar's phone.

In fact if OP was on his phone at 1:48 am, this would coincide with the time that Reeva ate, based on what the ME said about her stomach contents.

ETA: So perhaps they were both up? Perhaps OP lied on his affi that they went to bed at 10:00 pm.

I'm wondering if the last witness will be someone that had Skype or something like that open with RS during that last 11 hours or so ....

 

[Gbtaketwo]

Just read on twitter that ""bat man " is being recalled ?
Maybe is is coming to rescue the prosecution from the lack of evidence of pre meditation beyond reasonable doubt. I wonder where robin is ?
Anyone else heard this ?

 

[soozieqtips]

So the only record was of when Pistorius himself was arrested for assault outside his house.

, and that's a fact.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-trial-live-updates-3279618

 

[Interested Bystander]

I have just been listening to lawyers discussing the case generally including Mrs Stipp's evidence. They thought it was very good that she admitted she had been mistaken in her original statement. It goes to her being honest and truthful that she had made a mistake and that, in their opinion, it would make her testimony much more valuable than some of the others.