Trial Discussion Thread #23 - 14.04.11, Day 21

[zwiebel]

O: ...I don't remember what year it was

And replies to Nel that no, he did not actually check if any sensors had been taken off the wall that week when Reeva was shot. Even though it worried him they had been.

N: You've changed your evidence since Tuesday (think)

Nel reads OP's statement 'When they painted the walls in 2010, they took all the sensors off the wall'

O:...He's talking about two different incidences Milady

N: You cannot explain your mistake in the way you're doing! You cannot have made that mistake!

O;...they're two different incidents Milady.

 

[Carol70]

OP never reported break in at previous house where he had some items stolen, or the incident with his dog being kicked, to the police therefore it can't be verified it actually happened. How many people never bother reporting a break in/burglarly?

Well, we only reported our invasion for insurance reasons, when our car was broken into, we never did because the insurance excess was more than the actual repair of the window so was pointless. Stuff stolen out our yard was also not reported because at the time, our insurance didn't cover our outside stuff. So some people don't actually report everything.

 

[jay-jay]

Hmm .. not sure about this bit about the painting of the outside of the house in 2009/10 and again in 2013 .. I'm with OP on what he is saying, it makes perfect sense, but I reckon Nel is just doing this to get OP annoyed, and it seems to be working ..

 

[zwiebel]

O: I would walk round the house and check what they'd done...I presumed they may have taken the sensors off the wall..

N:..You're in trouble, and now you're giving explanations that are nonsensical

 

[shane13]

My thoughts exactly .
I have often wondered if one of the watches was damaged and that is why it disappeared.

I did not consider anything re damage.
Could be, but I think something far more sinister involved--and being used now for the very reasons someone --other than cops--took a watch or two.
Again think on who was there at that time, other than police...

 

[zwiebel]

In Feb 2013 Nel says O gave no evidence about alarms not working and is O blaming Roux for this oversight?

O: I have full trust in Mr Roux.

 

[Freya1977]

Roux is getting the blame again

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[zwiebel]

O: I didn't say Mr Roux made a mistake Milady.

O confirms to Nel he thinks in 2010, painters took all sensors off his wall, but after that he had checked, got someone to come out and test they were all working again.

 

[james83]

Roux under the bus again lol

 

[zwiebel]

N: 2013, you didn't know of any malffunction in alarm?

O: I wasn't aware of any malfunction...sometimes battery would go flat...

N: When did you deactivate the alarm that night?

O: I did it just before I went and opened the front door.

N: You did not say that before in your evidence.

 

[Trooper]

bit late daylight savings has ended for me, ..

you did not check..

Nel.. but you were aware of security and improvements at Silverwater ??

Oscar.. I was aware of improvements, a home owners assoc.. I would get an incident report, but I wasn't aware of which specific things done..

Nel.. did you notify the home owners assoc of what improvements or extras.. you wanted.

Oscar I never went to a meeting. I was away..

Nel. tell me about your security system.

Oscar. it ..speaking about the sensors on the wall. the beacon, the batteries..

Oscar sounding quite normal, a little bit cranky, but doing ok.

Nel quite a few things we have to look at here.. you last painted your house 2010..

Oscar.. I cant remember, the developer didn't use very good paint, I had to have it redone.. .. around 2009...

Nel.. lets see. around 2010??

Oscar.. no. around 2009. or even 2010...

Nel.. no we have to be exact..

Oscar. Iit must have been after, I got it done independently. not thru the developer..

Nel. you say, there was a possibility they took the sensors off..

Oscar.. there was a possibility.

Nel. so did you check?? did youknow??

Oscar. they may have. they could have..

Nel. well this is a change of your evidence... why??

Oscar.. I don't remember changing my evidence.. if mr nel will show me..

Nel. I 'll show you gladly..

Nel.. 'they do not work with wiring.. when painted they change all the sensors..'...

Oscar.. this is a different incident.. two diff incidences..

Nel.. this is a big mistake.. a demonstration of a mistake you COULD not make..

Oscar.. I was speaking of 2 diff times.. once in 2012 , once in 2010.. when the lights were taken off.

Nel.. your telling me, in Feb 13.. you DID not know?? you didn't check??

Oscar.. I came home late.. there was nothing I could do..

Nel.. this is the problem with tailoring evidence.. there is NO way you can misinterpret my questions..

Oscar.. I haven't tailored evidence....

Nel.. you gave no evidence that you tampered with your wiring.. you gave no evidence about work done on your home..

Oscar.. ifmr roux didn't ask the question.. I don't know why it didn't come up..

Nel. its no use blaming mr Roux again.... its not as easy as that..

Oscar.. I didn't make

Nel. so your evidence is,, they took off ALL the sensors off the wall, 2010 and being security conscious, you checked all your alarms often..

Oscar. .yes. someone came out to check it was working..

Nel. so . .you had someone come out and you were convinced your alarm was 100%?

Yes..

Nel. and in 2013.. you did not know of any malfunction of your alarm??

Oscar.. no I was not aware. .sometimes I had to use the keypads..

Nel. but somewhere we have to work in the de activation of your alarm.

Oscar.. I de activated my alarm when I opened the front door.

Nel. so.. you didn't put this in evidence.. you make calls to mr standar.. you make calls to netcare.. you remember to de activate your alarm?

Oscar.. its a habit, I do it every day..

 

[BritsKate]

Am I the only one who thinks, for his own benefit, Oscar needs to stop mentioning the watches at any opportunity he can? I understand why he's doing it but to those very cynical (Me! Me! Me!) it could be construed that he's more concerned with property than other important matters. They're gone. They're replaceable. Time to move on.

MOO

 

[kaos]

He seems even more defensive today.

Remember this is a guy who constantly fears for his life so his security system should be very important to him.

 

[jay-jay]

.. now this is where he starts getting it all confused/wrong/making up stories about the security alarm/deactivating it ..

 

[shane13]

I posted a few days ago,what appears to be OP's method of testifying:


"It seems OP’s MO as a witness is simple.

When caught in a lie, simply say:
Mantra #1, “I am not or have not lied, Milady.”

When caught in making a great change to his BH affidavit with plea statement or witness terstimony, say:
Mantra #2: “I have not changed anything in my statements, Milady.”

When seriously caught and seeing nobody buying Mantras #1 and #2,
Go to Mantra #3: “My counsel got it wrong.”
Then go back and repeat Mantra #1 or #2.

 

[zwiebel]

O: I don't remember doing it...it's a habit. I only know I must have because it didn't go off. I don't have an independant recollection of dearming the alarm that night...

N says he is changing his testimony yet again, that's not what he just said. O says he 'made a mistake'.

 

[MeeBee]

But he didn't blame Roux?

 

[lisasalinger]

I'm pretty sure I just saw one of Pistorius' family members praying in the gallery... eyes closed, lips moving.

 

[AlexUK]

Why did he deactivate the alarm when he wanted help???

 

[zwiebel]

N: Why are you changing your evidence?

O: I made a mistake. I'm sorry Milady, I'm tired Milady.

N: Are you too tired to continue...if you want to take time discuss with your legal team

O breaking down but says he wants to continue and also!!! "I understand Mr Nel's predicament."

!!!!!