Trial Discussion Thread #30

[lithgow1]

You say Molly333 that 'If I were Reeva, I would lock myself in the bathroom and wait quietly for the all clear from my boyfriend'. According to OP's version that's exactly what she did. And then he shot her dead.

 

[soozieqtips]

You say Molly333 that 'If I were Reeva, I would lock myself in the bathroom and wait quietly for the all clear from my boyfriend'. According to OP's version that's exactly what she did. And then he shot her dead.

Hi lithgow - if you want to be able to quote someone, just click on the 'quote' button at the bottom of the post.

 

[jay-jay]

If I were Reeva, I would lock myself in the bathroom and wait quietly for the all clear from my boyfriend. I would call the police, though, if I could--if I had a telephone that worked.

.. but you wouldn't stand directly behind the door facing it because natural instinct would make you take cover in one of the corners .. it's a natural reflex to curl up and protect all your organs (just as how Reeva eventually did when she was shot with the first bullet).

 

[Linda7NJ]

We will have to agree to disagree. I think the human mind is far too diverse and complex to state that "anyone" would act one way or another in a given situation.

Wow!
So let's dismantle the FBI' human behavioral unit, the entire field of psychiatry, psychology, sociology....all the data that has yielded....because humans are so unique that their behavior can't ever be predicted.

Sarcasm ^


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[Viper]

Re the previous post about the air rifle, can they not use projectiles other than pellets? Do you know if there's evidence as to what kind of ammo was in the air rifle?

Re these 2 safes, weren't those cartridges on the left behind the white fabric in the safe with OP's Olympic medals? I don't recall seeing any pics of the kitchen safe, just the one that was hidden behind clothes in the bedroom closet.

The pellets come in perhaps 5-6 different shapes, just the tip is different on the various pellets (rounded, pointed, striated, concave, etc...). You can use one of those pellets or a BB pellet which is a tiny ball. Maybe there is some exotic variety that I don't know of, but it is still .177 size to be able to fit in the gun or rifle.

The .38 ammunition was found in the upstairs safe. The dongle or memory stick was in the safe in the kitchen.

 

[TipDog]

Hey TipDog! Hope you are having a great evening!

No, OP is not disabled without his prosthetics. He ran after and executed an intruder in his bathroom for crying out loud! LOL!!! He has full mobility on his stumps.

His prosthetics enhance his mobility during everyday life, and his cheeta legs enhance his ability to run very fast. So OP does not have a disability, he has said as much many times.

Hi, Viper, likewise.

I'm being a little stubborn here, but without his prosthesis or some type of handicap car, he'd fall in the category of disabled (he couldn't drive a normal vehicle). Well, he would here in the states, anyway. Not sure about SA law.

But I think it's fair to say that he's on stumps, not feet like the rest of us, and that he's disabled due to that. He likely doesn't have great mobility on tiles, like he said. Which is another reason why I think he's lying - he was wearing his prosthesis the entire evening he killed RS. I just don't see him chasing her around on stumps.

 

[liesbeth]

Anyone? I doubt that. For example, I was robbed at gunpoint in Chicago. I was pretty calm and clear-headed, offered up my wallet, and said let's stay cool here guys (there were two of them). But when it was over, there was no "Terror and fear and the shakes." At all. I just figured I was unlucky, bad shake of the dice, crime in Chicago exists, was glad I was unharmed, wondered what I could have done to prevent it (answer: nothing) and went on to enjoy the evening at the blues bar (with my friends gladly paying my way). The hassle of getting my credit cards and driver's license etc straightened out occurred to me at about the third song. Great blues band.

I would expect reactions in such an incident would vary all over the place. You take a volatile erratic guy like OP, with his weird phobias and bad temper, who knows what you would get?

Truthful memory, based in reality, dictates that our emotions will surface after a traumatic event, not during it (i.e.: "It happened so fast, I didn't have time to be scared"). Using logic instead of truthful memory, the deceptive person injects a description of an emotion at the peak of the story for the benefit of the reader; to make the story more logical and believable. This is likely the case here.

http://www.linguisticstatementanalysis.com/SOTM/Pistorius.pdf

But you are right that "anyone" is a sweeping statement. I'll amend it to "many people."

 

[weeeva]

Perhaps I can assist you here. Mr Baba was giving evidence in his 2nd language.

In his mind and interpretation of what he was saying, he was in fact stating that when he called OP, it was the FIRST time they had spoken.
He discounted the call from OP's home, because no words were exchanged. (OP in any event made that call accidentally - he was looking for his friendlies, not Baba)

M'lady's home language is the same as Mr Baba's, and I believe she 'understood' what he meant.

Gerrie should have saved Baba here though, as I was immediately aware that Baba was misinterpreting all questions, and had been from the day he gave his statement. In his mind, the first time they spoke counted as the first 'call' - because talking is phone call to Mr Baba, not crying.

How could anyone possibly know that OP mistakenly called Baba?

 

[lithgow1]

Hi lithgow - if you want to be able to quote someone, just click on the 'quote' button at the bottom of the post.

Thank you very much. I'll now try and make you my first quote.

 

[soozieqtips]

Thank you very much. I'll now try and make you my first quote.

Well done! :smile:

 

[TipDog]

Hey, did you notice that at first he said he had 'mobility' on his stumps, then later in his affidavit it became 'limited mobility' and then on the stand, it became 'extremely limited mobility'. I imagine at that rate of decreasing mobility he must now have 'no mobility' at all.

BIB

Yes, I noticed this inconsistency, most definitely. It seems he has absolute mobility on his stumps the minute he feels threatened enough to go rushing to get his gun and running into a tiled bathroom to confront danger, but extremely limited mobility when it comes to taking his GF and walking quietly and cautiously out the closest exit to get away from danger.

 

[Chelly]

He didn't need to ask politely .. all he needed to do was shout it out in the same way he says he was shouting "get the *advertiser censored* out of my house" .. and he could've fired a warning shot into the shower by keeping back round the corner and shielding himself with the wall on his RH side (unless of course he didn't want to spoil his lovely glass shower door). He could even have shot out the window, which also would've been fairly irresponsible as a bullet can travel a mile or more but can't have been any more irresponsible than 'mistakenly' shooting your girlfriend dead with four bullets.

IMO, it's not even worth surmising what OP would or would not have done if it had been an intruder anyway, because from everything I have heard of this case from him, from Reeva, from witnesses, confirms to me that he knew who was in that toilet cubicle. We won't ever really know what he actually would've done if it had been an intruder because that's not what happened that night, and it's not what he knows happened that night either.

IF there had indeed been an intruder in the bathroom, a truly fearful Oscar would have grabbed his cell phone, gun and Reeva, and left the residence. He'd have fired a warning shot into the air and called police/security on his cell. People with moderate to severe fear/anxiety issues select flee rather than fight.

 

[Viper]

Hi, Viper, likewise.

I'm being a little stubborn here, but without his prosthesis or some type of handicap car, he'd fall in the category of disabled (he couldn't drive a normal vehicle). Well, he would here in the states, anyway. Not sure about SA law.

But I think it's fair to say that he's on stumps, not feet like the rest of us, and that he's disabled due to that. He likely doesn't have great mobility on tiles, like he said. Which is another reason why I think he's lying - he was wearing his prosthesis the entire evening he killed RS. I just don't see him chasing her around on stumps.

BIB1. He could drive a car very well and very fast! Haven't you been following? Joking :smile:

BIB2. That is why he told the Court his little story about Reeva calling him to come and brush his teeth. He says he walked (his words not mine) on his stumps to the bathroom and stood there at the sink brushing his teeth, and then he walked back and got in to bed. OP is telling the Court that he has very good mobility on his stumps in his home. It is to explain why he did not take the 4-5 seconds to put on his prosthetics, and to create the "vulnerable without my legs" aura for the event.

IMO he did have his prosthetics on.

 

[Chelly]

If I were Reeva, I would lock myself in the bathroom and wait quietly for the all clear from my boyfriend. I would call the police, though, if I could--if I had a telephone that worked.

You'd lock yourself in the bathroom with the intruder?

 

[screecher]

If I were Reeva, I would lock myself in the bathroom and wait quietly for the all clear from my boyfriend. I would call the police, though, if I could--if I had a telephone that worked.

Why would you leave the bed (room), to go to the bathroom where supposed intruder is heard???

 

[soozieqtips]

BIB

Yes, I noticed this inconsistency, most definitely. It seems he has absolute mobility on his stumps the minute he feels threatened enough to go rushing to get his gun and running into a tiled bathroom to confront danger, but extremely limited mobility when it comes to taking his GF and walking quietly and cautiously out the closest exit to get away from danger.

It was a definite inconsistency, and one of many. He changes the extent of his mobility to suit whatever he needs it to suit at any given time. He can rush into a tiled bathroom on stumps (mobility aplenty) - but can't leave by the closest exit (extremely limited mobility). He really is one of a kind, and not in the good way.

 

[Val1]

We only have OP's word that the door was locked from the inside.

Besides any reasonable amputee fearing for his life would have a) put on his legs so as not to feel so vulnerable, b) switched on lights for the same reason, c) checked for an escape route and d) asked/yelled "Who's there?"

The point is that Oscar assumed a) it was an intruder, b) the intruder was armed c) the intruder was about to attack him and most important of all, he assumed d) that it wasn't Reeva in the toilet without ever asking if it was her or knowing where she was.

bbm -Reasonable to me, would be more like
a)check for my hb and if he wasn't in bed call his name to verify he was still in the vicinity(ie. bed/bathroom area or catching some air on the balcony)

b)turn on the light, put legs on and either join him on the balcony or should I still not get a response(my hb can't always hear me when he's doing his business) I would then certainly check the bedroom door and doublecheck the bed, door and balcony before arming myself to continue looking for him. That's a lie, if I was looking for my hb, I would most definitely NOT arm myself first....

c)call his name again upon hearing the toilet door close/slam and if he still didn't respond I'd knock on the door and tell him to hurry up.

d)at that point he'd respond in some way letting me know it was him.

If it was an intruder and obviously since I hadn't woken to him having been the first one to have encountered the intruder, I'd be in deep doodoo.

The point is, I would never assume that it was an intruder first.

 

[TipDog]

IF there had indeed been an intruder in the bathroom, a truly fearful Oscar would have grabbed his cell phone, gun and Reeva, and left the residence. He'd have fired a warning shot into the air and called police/security on his cell. People with moderate to severe fear/anxiety issues select flee rather than fight.

Oh, spot on. It baffles me how OP's DT claims OP feels so vulnerable and fearful of intruders due to his disability, and yet OP insisted it is his personality to go toward a threat, not away.

I really think his DT is more truthful in this respect than OP.

 

[james83]

Hey, did you notice that at first he said he had 'mobility' on his stumps, then later in his affidavit it became 'limited mobility' and then on the stand, it became 'extremely limited mobility'. I imagine at that rate of decreasing mobility he must now have 'no mobility' at all.

And don't forget after he fired the shots and was still on his stumps

Mr Pistorius said the gunshots left his ears ringing, and he kept on shouting for Ms Steenkamp to phone the police. He said he retreated back to the bedroom and found Ms Steenkamp was not in bed.

"At that point, the first thing I thought was maybe she got down onto the floor like I told her to, maybe she was just scared... I can't remember what I said but I was trying to talk out to her.

"It was upon that time, my Lady, that it first dawned upon me that it could be Reeva that was in the bathroom or in the toilet
I jumped out of the other side of the bed and I ran my hands along the curtains to see that she wasn't hiding.

"I didn't want to believe it was Reeva in the toilet, I was so scared that someone was coming in to attack us. I made my way inside the bathroom... I tried to grab the handle, rip open the door. I pushed the door to open and it was locked.

"I ran back to the room, I opened the curtains, opened the doors and shouted from the balcony for help. I screamed, 'Help, help, help.' I screamed for somebody to help me.

All of that on his stumps with a cocked gun in one hand, and yet people still believe him!!!, LOL.

 

[Chelly]

Oh, spot on. It baffles me how OP's DT claims OP feels so vulnerable and fearful of intruders due to his disability, and yet OP insisted it is his personality to go toward a threat, not away.

I really think his DT is more truthful in this respect than OP.

Indeed! OP is a walking contradiction.