Exactly.
He was wasting his time and going nowhere not so long ago according to some too :facepalm:
30minutes later he's demolished this buffoons testimony :floorlaugh:
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Exactly.
He was wasting his time and going nowhere not so long ago according to some too :facepalm:
30minutes later he's demolished this buffoons testimony :floorlaugh:
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The freaky part is that he doesn't even understand how ridiculous it is, for an 'expert' witness', to complain to the judge that the reason they can't answer any hypotheticals, is that THEY ALREADY KNOW THE FACTS---because the Accused told them.
[ But MyLady, Mr Nel is confusing me because I already know there are three startles..]
Conflict of interest, defense would have done better getting athlete team medical specialist to testify about Pistorius' disability and effects on his past behaviour.
Then had second expert not connected with Pistorius detailing disability and psych fright/flight research. Now it appears hostile and inappropriate for an independent expert witness. IMO
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"The day before he shot Reeva Steen*kamp, Seirlis said, Pistorius phoned him for help with the paperwork that would allow him to import a Maclaren sports car without paying the usual duty (which is waived for vehicles modified for use by disabled people). But now Seirlis uses phrases such as "scraping the bottom of the barrel" about Pistorius.
"We feel he has downgraded the view that people have of us in order to try and get himself some leeway with the judge and the assessors," Seirlis said.
The fact is that Oscar became famous because he is well built, because he is strong, for no other reason," Seirlis said. "When you become famous for that, you can't revert to vulnerability again when it suits you."
http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-10-oscar-pistorius-tests-new-limits-of-disability
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This really does need to be cleared up by the prosecution. My understanding is that back in March-- around March 18-19th (day 12 or 13)-- Nel accepted Mangena's findings about the more probable firing position with Oscar on his stumps holding the gun with both arms raised out in front of him at eye level, but Nel also asked him to acknowledge it was still possible that Oscar fired from his prosthetics with arm bent at his side-- which was Mangena's second scenario for another possible firing position for the bullet trajectories they measured with the laser.
However, nearly a month later (!) Oscar testified on April 14th (sometime around 1:12pm-- sorry, will provide links later when not on my mobile) that he fired with one hand on the gun with elbow bent and the gun at his side. Oscar said he was bracing himself with the other hand.
So, I don't know how else to interpret this-- if he fired with his arm down at his side with elbow bent, then the only bullet trajectories that line up according to Mangena's ballistics testimony a month earlier would be if Oscar were on his prosthetics.
It always seemed to me that many people grabbed the media headline that "Oscar shot from his stumps!" without reading the entire ballistics testimony about probable and possible firing positions. Oscar's own statement would IMHO, indicate this would not fit with the ballistics evidence. Can anyone help with other evidence to the contrary?
I still think the first supposed "startle" - the window banging into the frame - is a crock, as those windows slide inward away from the frame and only the width of one panel (1/3 of the way). No way OP heard a sound loud enough to reach him standing near the balcony next to the big fan blowing away.
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Great point and absolutely.
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Wasn't it - 1. Window sliding open - 2. Window banging into frame, and 3. Mag rack?
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I've just bumped this from page 1. Something to do in the break.
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I thought I heard a slight quiver in Derwins voice a few times and honestly wondered if he was going to have a meltdown on the stand that would rival OP's!
I expected him to either lose his temper or burst out crying. Clearly this guy is not accustomed to anyone questioning his veracity.
Derwin + OP = disaster
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It appears this "expert" witness cannot distinguish between a hypothetical question and Oscar telling him there were three noises. He's obviously biased or just plain dumb. An expert should be able to respond to each question based on his expertise surely
Nel would be better off telling him to forget about Oscar's version and simply pose a hypothetical scenario where there is one stimuli, then only move on to the next stimuli/noise after he gets an answer. This Prof is trying to pre-empt every question and how it would relate to Oscar. He's a halfwit who likes the sound of his own voice imo.
Didn't OP say that he thought the non existent attackers (in the plural) were about to open the door?
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Window bang, door slam, wood moving sound, four gunshots and blood curdling screams, silence. Panic!
anic:And Frank yelling help, help, help!
Yes, the door slam. TY. Doesn't make sense for Reeva to slam the door on a normal bathroom visit and certainly not if she was hoping to hide from intruder/s.
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I can't remember the exact words about OP being gentle etc with woman, but here's a good example of his charm, gentleness and non-aggression. Actually the whole article is interesting.
"I had the unfortunate opportunity of finding out first hand how unheroic Oscar can be in real life when he has had too much to drink.
I was at the Kings of Leon concert on Friday night with my fiancé, my best friend and her husband. We were seated in the golden circle. An exceptionally drunk and incredibly rude Oscar Pistorius was also there. Unfortunately he seemed to be far too comfortable with being both drunk and rude than one would have liked for one of our "heroes".
My first glimpse of Oscar was seeing him all but fall into a group of people and had to be helped up by one of his equally drunk friends. We just looked at one another and shook our heads. Maybe he just looked that drunk because his blades weren’t too stable. As the evening progressed, Peter (my friend’s husband) and Adrian (my fiancé) went off to buy us something to drink. Marilyn and I were rocking away to the fantastic Shadowclub when we were practically shoved off our feet by Oscar. This was no accidental stumble! It was a pure and simple act of arrogance and aggression. When Marilyn (in a firm but extremely non-aggressive manner) told Oscar that his behaviour was rude and unacceptable, she was met with a flurry of verbal abuse! This included being labelled “f…ing lesbians” and a significant amount more. Good manners preclude a repetition of the full gamut of the tirade. Marilyn – profoundly taken aback – said to Oscar “what is your problem”. His reply: “I’m drunk, what’s yours.”
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Oscar-Pistorius-Hero-or-Hooligan-20111103
"I had the unfortunate opportunity of finding out first hand how unheroic Oscar can be in real life when he has had too much to drink.
I was at the Kings of Leon concert on Friday night with my fiancé, my best friend and her husband. We were seated in the golden circle. An exceptionally drunk and incredibly rude Oscar Pistorius was also there. Unfortunately he seemed to be far too comfortable with being both drunk and rude than one would have liked for one of our "heroes".
My first glimpse of Oscar was seeing him all but fall into a group of people and had to be helped up by one of his equally drunk friends. We just looked at one another and shook our heads. Maybe he just looked that drunk because his blades weren’t too stable. As the evening progressed, Peter (my friend’s husband) and Adrian (my fiancé) went off to buy us something to drink. Marilyn and I were rocking away to the fantastic Shadowclub when we were practically shoved off our feet by Oscar. This was no accidental stumble! It was a pure and simple act of arrogance and aggression. When Marilyn (in a firm but extremely non-aggressive manner) told Oscar that his behaviour was rude and unacceptable, she was met with a flurry of verbal abuse! This included being labelled “f…ing lesbians” and a significant amount more. Good manners preclude a repetition of the full gamut of the tirade. Marilyn – profoundly taken aback – said to Oscar “what is your problem”. His reply: “I’m drunk, what’s yours.”
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Oscar-Pistorius-Hero-or-Hooligan-20111103
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