Trial Discussion Thread #46 - 14.07.7, Day 37

[MsMarple]

N: Less vulnerable with a gun in his hand. Has large support group.

 

[minor4th]

I think Nel should tread lightly - probably not a great idea to argue that a disabled person is not really vulnerable, since the judge is also disabled and knows the difficulties

 

[ColonelMustard]

Oh, no! Tea adjournment!

 

[zwiebel]

Biscuits. See the smilies?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Nel: In this instance we have "somebody with the means to protect himself" by living in a secure complex with an alarm system. A support group including you (referring to WD).

WD doesn't think having a gun would absolutely reduce OP's vulnerability.

nel asks for tea adjournment. Says he will move to "something new" after.

 

[Greater Than]

Well, OP's is not a woman, so that's irrelevant. He is disabled though ..so there's some relevance.

The point is there are many groups, just as Nel just pointed out (poor, elderly, etc) that are also vulnerable. The same laws still apply regardless. Can't use "I felt vulnerable" as an excuse for murder.

 

[AlexUK]

Is the whole of 'that' video available to watch anywhere yet? Does anyone know?

 

[Greater Than]

So I just saw that leaked video, going to watch the full episode of the show after. Can't believe that was leaked!

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You better hurry. The last one was pulled pretty quickly.

 

[Freya1977]

I've lost track on OP in the last week, focused on the Baden-Clay trial here in Australia. Is this the defences final witness? Has the X been going on long?

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[ColonelMustard]

OMG, did Pistorius just admit to violating his bail conditions? If so, what's the best way to report this?


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From Oscar Pistorius' bail hearing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZB3pwgxvY
At 2 hours 26 minutes 43 seconds

Accused will refrain from prohibitive substances and/or alcohol until the conclusion of this case.

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From Oscar Pistorius' psychiatric report by Dr. Scholtz
http://www.scribd.com/doc/232687105/Oscar-Pistorius-psychiatric-report#download
On Page 16, line 28

Mr. Pistorius feels he has been drinking more since the incident he is being charged for, mainly because he isn't in training.

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Somewhere in the last thread someone here said they emailed Nel's office directly about the "leaked video" -- AND they even received a reply stating he had it or had seen it or something.
If you can find that post, it may have the name of the office and/or his email address.

Please DO contact him with your info!

 

[Forensics]

N: Vulnerability should be viewed in the context of the situation, am I right?

D agrees.

N: In this instance, we have someone with means to protect themselves - alarms, secure estate, large support system - including yourself. That reduces his vulnerabilty.

D: I disagree strongly.

I think the Professor does show bias towards Oscar and his vulnerability. He would be better served if he did agree that these measures did help to mitigate his vulnerability not necessarily negating it completely..

 

[Angela Carr]

Surely a man with a 9mm loaded pistol, who has spent hundreds of hours practising with it, is going to feel less vulnerable, disabled or not.

 

[kaos]

Is the whole of 'that' video available to watch anywhere yet? Does anyone know?

I uploaded parts 2, 3 & 4 to another hosting site that I got from youtube before the uploader made it private but I'm still waiting for an answer from beach as to whether I'm allowed to post links to it on here but don't know if my pm's are going through to people today

 

[JudgeJudi]

Bumping this from the last thread if you haven't caught up:

If you're having trouble with the font size, press CTRL and roll your mouse wheel until you see a size you're happy with. Great for hard to read web pages too.l

 

[minor4th]

Somewhere in the last thread someone here said they emailed Nel's office directly about the "leaked video" -- AND they even received a reply stating he had it or had seen it or something.
If you can find that post, it may have the name of the office and/or his email address.

Please DO contact him with your info!

The alcohol restriction was lifted when his bail conditions were modified

 

[Greater Than]

I've lost track on OP in the last week, focused on the Baden-Clay trial here in Australia. Is this the defences final witness? Has the X been going on long?

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This is allegedly the last.

Cross has been dragging since last Thursday. Prof D likes to lecture the court with his knowledge.

 

[ColonelMustard]

Your right. IMO Oldwage had a fair point, (now even more evident since Nel has tantamount to accepted he could have been more clear before forcing poor Masipa to have to go back through the record), but oh my how badly and long-windedly he explains himself.

IMHO, Nel didn't accept anything. He was simply willing to do whatever it was going to take to get things moving.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Nel should bring up the freeze, fight, response again too. Who had more reason to flee that night? It sure wasn't OP. What would you say to that Professor?

 

[Nausicaa]

I mean, with or without data, it's intuitive that disabled persons are, as a group, more vulnerable as potential crime victims than non-disabled persons.

It's also intuitive that young, male world-class athletes are on average less vulnerable as potential crime victims than, to borrow the comparison you suggested here, a slight 66-year-old female judge with permanent polio damage and possibly rheumatoid arthritis.

 

[ColonelMustard]

I thought we went over this already (at length) on Thursday re: conflict of interest and whether a treating doctor can testify

IMHO Derman has no business testifying. IF he was asked to testify (personally, I think it's more likely that he insinuated himself into things), he needed to recuse himself.