Trial Discussion Thread #49 - 14.08.7, Day 39 ~final arguments~

[PrimeSuspect]

Good morning. 3:00 a.m. in Texas. I thought court was starting half an hour from now. What did I miss??

Nel saying OP has 2 defences.

 

[Val1]

IMO the trouble with the argument about bat sounds versus shots sounds is the State's witness Stipp did confuse both sounds so there is a already a reliable witness showing they can be confused. And Stipp had military and firearms training. JMHO

Sure, if you ignore the fact that he had been awoken by the first set of sounds compared to being fully awake when he heard the second set. I still stand by batshots first, gunshots second, bat prying last.

 

[delilah]

IMO the trouble with the argument about bat sounds versus shots sounds is the State's witness Stipp did confuse both sounds so there is a already a reliable witness showing they can be confused. And Stipp had military and firearms training. JMHO

morning from sunny London

we don't know if Stipp mistook bat sounds for gunshots. We don't know what the state's case is for the first set of noises. It might have been shots too, although no evidence was presented to that effect. Personally, I think it might have been. Does Nel need to explain the first set anyway if he has an overwhelming case that the second set was gunshots? Maybe none of the witnesses ever heard the bat on the door.

 

[Chelly]

We have three different versions already by the accused himself. M'Lady we will deal with it.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Good morning y'all from North Carolina and it's 4:00 am. Yes, I set my alarm for this, too.

Thanks ATL for the good ol' southern breakfast. Yummy.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Oscar Trial Channel @OscarTrial199 · 31s
#oscartrial Nel says while he drafted heads, he saw there was four different versions by the accused... 'before he knew it, he fired'

Nel: he never said I didn't want to shoot, I didn't know what I was doing, it was an accident... he never said it.

Nel: we drafted these heads before we received the heads of the defence...refers to Derman's evidence.

 

[Chelly]

It is important we know he never said it was an accident or I don't know what happened.

 

[AlexUK]

Nel really came out of the gate chomping at the bit. He is settling down now. Setting a pace.

Yep...we are getting the odd 'gown shrug' now....always a good sign. Its like an exclamation mark when he's made a scoring point!

Wonder why some of the Pistorius clan are wearing heavy scarves in court? Feeling a little insecure praps...comfort??

 

[minor4th]

Weak - drawing distinction between hearing movement in the bathroom and hearing a sound from the bathroom

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Oscar Trial Channel @OscarTrial199 · now
#oscartrial Nel: accused tailored his version to get the court to accept 'startle' to the sound from the toilet.



Nel showing how OP tailored his evidence.
(OP watching Nel intently)

 

[Chelly]

Yep...we are getting the odd 'gown shrug' now....always a good sign. Its like an exclamation mark when he's made a scoring point!

Wonder why some of the Pistorius clan are wearing heavy scarves in court? Feeling a little insecure praps...comfort??

Perhaps they are seated on the chilly side of the courtroom.

 

[Chelly]

Weak - drawing distinction between hearing movement in the bathroom and hearing a sound from the bathroom

This came out at trial. OP claimed he heard movement in the bathroom, not sounds.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Oscar Trial Channel @OscarTrial199 · 35s
Nel: there's a difference between hearing a movement and hearing a noise...

Nel: Derman tied himself in knots trying to explain the magazine rack, court should reject his explanation, it showed bias.

Nel: in attempt to tailor his version to support his plea application, he called discharge of gun 'accidental'...

Nel: if the court accepts that 'discharge was accidental' then defence nr 1 couldn't be accepted. Accused himself was confused.

 

[minor4th]

This will give you a good sum up of Nel's arguments thus far. You may not agree but i think he is doing a great job of showing how full of it OP and by extension his whole 'defence' is.

https://twitter.com/barrybateman/with_replies

Thank you

I think he's doing a pretty good job, but he's starting to ramble a bit or jump around now

 

[Chelly]

The discharge was accidental. I believed someone was coming out of the bathroom......defense number 2.
That makes defense number one untrue that he acted with a start.

 

[JudgeJudi]

It is important to note that nowhere in the defence's heads did it say that OP was a good witness.

 

[minor4th]

This came out at trial. OP claimed he heard movement in the bathroom, not sounds.

If he heard movement - he heard sounds. I'm not buying the argument that the two are contradictory

 

[lithgow1]

Weak - drawing distinction between hearing movement in the bathroom and hearing a sound from the bathroom

Interesting then that Mapisa is asking no questions or clarifications despite Nel so far claiming that virtually nothing promised by the defence materialised, that OP has umpteen defences, that his defence witnesses were biased and that Pistorius was a dishonest witness.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

I have visions of Oscar suddenly jumping up during Nel's closing to scream "I CONFESS! I CONFESS! I can't take it anymore! I LIED about everything! I wanted to kill Reeva! I did kill Reeva!"

What do you think the chances are? lol

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Nel: nowhere in the heads of defence was there any indication to say that accused was a good witness.


Why should the court accept his version?