Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

[LaLaw2000]

This is not 'defend OP'. It is 'attack Nel', the same as calling him a liar. Poor, indignant Roux and innocent op! Not buying what he is seling

 

[minor4th]

Roux conceding that that OP was negligent in handling the firearm at the restaurant. At least there's that

 

[zwiebel]

R now saying Cpt Mangena did not test the glock, so it might have been 'faulty', gone off on its own. 'Why did they not test it'. He should never have handled it (OP)

Judge: He should never have handled it, or should never have asked for it?

 

[katydid23]

"option 2--- his finger came in contact with the trigger..."


How many times is he going to use that excuse?

 

[jay-jay]

Roux pointing out Samantha Taylor's agenda and motivation and bias

Well yes, I think anyone with half a brain cell would take into account the fact that an ex girlfriend might want to drop their ex in it, just to seek revenge, but most of what she said did sound/come across as quite genuine .. but that's JMO.

 

[BritsKate]

Perhaps someone should point out to Roux that very often, when an abused woman does commit murder, she most often murders the person responsible for hurting her or her family - not some 'intruder' or a random innocent.

I seriously question the logic of using such a comparison (in a femicide case, no less) in a country where 3 women are killed daily by their current or former partners. JMO

 

[minor4th]

Roux just also conceded that OP is guilty of one of the charges - negligently handling/discharging firearm

 

[atthelake]

OMG! Defense atty just said we're guilty!

 

[Val1]

What was he referring to? I missed a bit

Iirc it was the quote Nel referred to by Carr? regarding how to view the significance of only a smaller portion of the whatsapp msg's showing problems by using cancer as an example.

 

[kaos]

Roux conceding that that OP was negligent in handling the firearm at the restaurant. At least there's that

I missed that. Was it Roux conceding it or OP conceding it?

 

[katydid23]

He is GUILTY My Lady, of discharging that firearm.

 

[minor4th]

This is not 'defend OP'. It is 'attack Nel', the same as calling him a liar. Poor, indignant Roux and innocent op! Not buying what he is seling

Exactly what Nel did yesterday - attack the defense rather than prove their own case.

 

[minor4th]

I missed that. Was it Roux conceding it or OP conceding it?

Roux conceding it on OP's behalf. Said the court should find him guilty of that count.

 

[zwiebel]

R: (OP said) My father wanted me to put his ammo in a safe place....Mr Nel's argument is strict liability. That's not the case law....they say they wanted to consult with the father....take a statement from him, if he doesn't want to co-operate.

 

[JudgeJudi]

You're so smart Roux, why don't you tell us how OP's phone was removed from the house and not handed over by the DT for 11 days, and how Reeva's bag was removed from the house. Give us a version of how you justify this.

 

[Suthrnqt]

For clarity purposes, did the defence also use shenanigans?

And then some.

 

[sorrell skye]

Wow!!! Roux telling My Lady that the Court should find OP guilty of the Tasha's incident! I'm gobsmacked!

Having said that, I think Roux is only saying that as a clever tactic to try to trick the Court into believing that OP wants to take responsibility for it. The thing is: OP pleaded not guilty on that charge. Also, when the incident occurred, OP asked and allowed someone else to take the blame.

 

[G.bng]

Roux explaining why OP was an argumentative witness, why he was defensive and apprehensive on the witness stand. Roux really needed to address this.

I thought long ago that if, as in so many other cases like in the US where they may take months to investigate before they arrest in a case like this, if they would have waited to investigate instead of jumping the gun and slapping a murder charge they would have likely got to the truth better, whether OP confessing guilt or them concluding it was CH, which if Roux's performance and the judge's attention and receptive demeanour are indications of anything, looks like it could be going like that, CH is the most that might come out of all these 5 months of trial, and which probably could have been achieved through a plea agreement.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Exactly what Nel did yesterday - attack the defense rather than prove their own case.

Touche'

 

[zwiebel]

R: The main count; four shots fired. Four holes in door and four empty shells.

Subsequent to the shots, the door was damaged by a bat....that's common cause it was a subsequent event.