Trial Discussion Thread #56 - 14.15.10, Day 45 ~ sentencing~

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Cloen said:
It's a shame Nel couldn't have pointed out to Masipa that the incompetent unprofessional bias Probation Officer (Cruella) who didn't provide any research to back up her recommendations that OP should receive a non-custodial sentence ......that SHE does pole dancing in her spare time !!
see here , very interesting , click on her profile picture ! https://www.facebook.com/annette.vergeer.7

As for her testimony , yet another bias Defence Witness who again happens to be in Private Practice and who just happens to be someone against putting ANYONE in prison,(so perfect choice by Roux). Hopefully she will be struck off after today for being lazy and shockingly unprepared in giving evidence to a Criminal Court of Law and failed to provide the Court with unbias and accurate information about prison conditions. She was an absolute disgrace, in my opinion ! :snooty::banghead:

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/8eb665...torius-witness-cracks-under-pressure-20141510

AND as a result of this Probation Officer's allegations about SA Prisons this statement was released (so Cruella is in deep *****) :


The Department of Correctional Services has noted with concern inaccurate serious allegations that sought to cast doubt on the state of our correctional centres. The allegations from media reports emanate from the Oscar Pistorius trial that is underway at the North Gauteng high court. The reports seek to create an impression that our centres are fraught with, amongst other things, unhygienic conditions, gang violence and sodomy or rape.

In as much as our department respects the sub judice rule that applies to court proceedings that have not yet been finalised, the image of our correctional centres, our department and the government in general is at stake. We, therefore, deem it appropriate that we register our concern in this regard.

Out of respect for the sub judice rule, we will not comment further on the evidence as reported in the media; save to say that such allegations about the conditions in our centres are inaccurate. We are prepared to make our expert officials available to the court on issues relating to the conditions in our correctional centres as and when required to do so.
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Isn't Vergeer employed by Correctional Services? I suspect that her services might be reconsidered and should be. What an embarrassment to them!
 
Cloen said:
she asked the Corrections Officer (whatisname) yesterday how the 16 hrs community service in effect, would be spread out , and he said 8 hrs twice a MONTH .......
(and he'll do some cleaning in a museum or something ... Or perhaps he'll do some gardening at Masipa's house, or lend her Frank) !

......so this is probably what she will give the lying arrogant tw*t killer

Masipa listened to the Defence witnesses and so Roux's put infront of her the minimum OP could get on a CH Charge, and his witnesses failed to even read the finer detail ie degree of negligence of Oscar's crime, his degree of culpability which determines the sentencing .........the witnesses seemed to have just been told about Tasha's incident for the recommendations they gave, gobsmacking..............The idea that Masipa is under some pressure from a higher power, perhaps political is starting to reek. Sweep it all away !! and fast !

What a laughing stock SA Justice System is.
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I have come to think that Masipa is under political pressure. But why would the government want SA to be the laughing stock of the world?
 
Estelle said:
Isn't Vergeer employed by Correctional Services? I suspect that her services might be reconsidered and should be. What an embarrassment to them!
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totally agree!
 
jilly said:
You're absolutely right, but, it appears Masipa ignored that part of the law too. I just don't get it.
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Many seem to ignore murder eventualis as if it was not an option. This would have been the compromise verdict. Perhaps Nel should have focused more on that.
 
He appears broken in court when he is facing the cold facts of his outrage that night.
When he walks out of the court house that's where it ends, he wants His precious life and the adoration he
Is used to back. And he will get it thanks to Uncle.
But OP will never live a day without looking over his shoulder. He is his own worst enemy and of course his family's.
The price they pay for tolerating his tantrums. I cringe when I see he and his brother give each other that We got this look.
All taught to them by their Uncle. Wonder how they all r behind closed doors. Tense I bet....
 
You just have to look at Twitter to see how interested in this trial the people living in Johannesburg are today:

Johannesburg Trends

#PenfoldsCollection Promoted by Penfolds
#OscarTrial
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Nick van der Leek ‏@HiRezLife 6h6 hours ago

My predictions for tomorrow - wrap up Kim Martin, prison official, Batchelor and finish off with Sam Taylor. #OscarTrial

IMO Night club incident should be covered too by Mortimer
 
Ayesha Nagdee ‏@AyeshaNagdee 7h7 hours ago

1 shot possible mistake, 2 shots culp, 3 shots murder, 4 shots beyond humanity's reasonable doubt.
 
Cloen said:
It's a shame Nel couldn't have pointed out to Masipa that the incompetent unprofessional bias Probation Officer (Cruella) who didn't provide any research to back up her recommendations that OP should receive a non-custodial sentence ......that SHE does pole dancing in her spare time !!
see here , very interesting , click on her profile picture ! https://www.facebook.com/annette.vergeer.7

As for her testimony , yet another bias Defence Witness who again happens to be in Private Practice and who just happens to be someone against putting ANYONE in prison,(so perfect choice by Roux). Hopefully she will be struck off after today for being lazy and shockingly unprepared in giving evidence to a Criminal Court of Law and failed to provide the Court with unbias and accurate information about prison conditions. She was an absolute disgrace, in my opinion ! :snooty::banghead:

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/8eb665...torius-witness-cracks-under-pressure-20141510

AND as a result of this Probation Officer's allegations about SA Prisons this statement was released (so Cruella is in deep *****) :


The Department of Correctional Services has noted with concern inaccurate serious allegations that sought to cast doubt on the state of our correctional centres. The allegations from media reports emanate from the Oscar Pistorius trial that is underway at the North Gauteng high court. The reports seek to create an impression that our centres are fraught with, amongst other things, unhygienic conditions, gang violence and sodomy or rape.

In as much as our department respects the sub judice rule that applies to court proceedings that have not yet been finalised, the image of our correctional centres, our department and the government in general is at stake. We, therefore, deem it appropriate that we register our concern in this regard.

Out of respect for the sub judice rule, we will not comment further on the evidence as reported in the media; save to say that such allegations about the conditions in our centres are inaccurate. We are prepared to make our expert officials available to the court on issues relating to the conditions in our correctional centres as and when required to do so.
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Oh WoW....nice catch Cloen. Judging from that FaceBook picture I'd say that is definately the same gal.

Did you also notice she listed (2) top/favorite TV shows & one was called STONETOWN. An animated TV show starring an animated BONG, JOINT, POT BROWNIE & MARAJUANA LEAF. Lovely...this is listed publicly, for all to see, as one of her top shows.

Am I going INSANE? Being PUNK'd? Caught in a TWILIGHT ZONE episode? ????? What is happening? This is all so bizarre. S.A. certainly picked the wrong time to start televising court cases.
 
Estelle said:
Nick van der Leek ‏@HiRezLife 6h6 hours ago

My predictions for tomorrow - wrap up Kim Martin, prison official, Batchelor and finish off with Sam Taylor. #OscarTrial

IMO Night club incident should be covered too by Mortimer
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Put before any other judge I would agree a previous partners experience is a must, but I fear this could all go horribly wrong as Masipa has already judge ST as a woman scorned.
 
Nel is arguing strongly for direct imprisonment for Pistorius - expert
15 October, 02:28 PM

As state prosecutor Gerrie Nel calls witnesses to argue for sentencing for Oscar Pistorius, we speak to criminal law expert William Booth who explains Nel is arguing strongly for direct imprisonment for Pistorius.

http://www.news24.com/Live/SouthAfr...ct-imprisonment-for-Pistorius-expert-20141015

In this video Booth thinks that the Judge's sentencing verdict will be delayed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4nzPn2jN0&list=PLyxkBFYMs1vz9__Y-rCwab-htixelEcqS
 
http://www.citypress.co.za/news/reevas-dad-breaks-court/

Barry sat forward with his arms folded on the back of the bench in front of him as his wife kept an arm on his back and shoulders.

Pistorius sat in the dock looking down and passed a letter to his defence team.



All the compassionate people are crying - and OP hasn't anything better to do than that: make notes.
 
jilly said:
I don't think so. Once you're appointed to the bench you can pretty much do what you want. Your only fear of reprimand is the Court of Appeal and every Judge dreads a reversal.

I thought Estelle's earlier post was interesting:

http://www.ozy.com/#!/pov/dershowitz-pistorius-will-get-off-easy/36523.article

Dershowitz figures he should have got an acquittal and said Masipa split the difference. She found him guilty of culpable homicide and will give him a weak sentence so that it will not be appealed.
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I'm afraid I don't understand this statement. The State has every right to appeal on sentence and it's done in order to secure a longer sentence. The question on the lawyers' lips is whether she gives him a hefty sentence, thereby making it a harder decision (money-wise probably) as to whether to go for an appeal, or a very light sentence which would tend to make them appeal on Masipa's error in interpreting the law and hopefully getting dolus eventualis with the accompanying 15 year sentence.
 
toevlugsoord said:
A lot of my female SA relatives also speak that way.
Kind of interesting...
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It's very common here in Australia. I know I'm getting older because I detest so many things these days - the way people interrupt conversations to answer their phones no matter where they are, what they're doing or who they're with, the non-stop texting, the absolute drivel on facebook and twitter, lack of grammar, an inability to spell, an inability to speak without throwing in "you know" and "like", blah, blah, blah. JMO
 
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