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The fiancee of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi has called for those responsible for his murder to be brought to justice, adding that she declined an invitation by US President Donald Trump to visit the White House.

Hatice Cengiz, a Turkish national, made the comments in an emotional interview with broadcaster Haberturk on Friday, her first TV appearance since Khashoggi's killing inside the kingdom's consulate in Istanbul more than three weeks ago.

"I demand that all those involved in this savagery from the highest to the lowest levels are punished and brought to justice," she said.
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Jamal Khashoggi

Saudi FM: Khashoggi killers to be tried in kingdom
Foreign Minister Jubeir slams global outcry over journalist's killing as 'hysterical', saying investigations take time.
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This was really the WRONG thing to say.

Once again, minimizing the damage and disparaging the global sentiment is showing how rigid, antiquated, and tyrannical the Saudi government really is

I also think the use of the word "hysterical" is a latent shaming of women, especially when used by the Saudis.
gregjrichards said:
Khashoggi hit squad 'smoked and drank alcohol on cheerful ride home' after the killing, taxi driver says - as journalist's friend 'claims he was about to expose Saudi chemical weapons use'

Saudi hit squad accused of murdering Khashoggi 'smoked and drank on cheerful ride home' in Istanbul | Daily Mail Online
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An expose on Saudi use of chemical weapons in Yemen could be a strong reason why MBS would want to silence Khashoggi.

If SA was found to use chemical weapons on civilians, it would severely compromise their ability to interact with western powers and could have resulted in severe sanctions, well at least by those who would take action...

Still, this murder is by itself, enough for rational nations to consider sanctions of the level of the Magnitsky Act
 
gregjrichards said:
Khashoggi hit squad 'smoked and drank alcohol on cheerful ride home' after the killing, taxi driver says - as journalist's friend 'claims he was about to expose Saudi chemical weapons use'

Saudi hit squad accused of murdering Khashoggi 'smoked and drank on cheerful ride home' in Istanbul | Daily Mail Online
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"Karl Andree, 74, was arrested by Saudi religious police and has spent more than a year in prison - it had been reported that he was also facing 360 lashes but it has since emerged that he was going to be spared flogging because of his age and ill-health.

Alcohol is prohibited in Saudi Arabia".

Expats are warned of the risk they take but this article will show you how common it is, so long as it’s done inside compounds and behind walls.

Risking a drink in Saudi Arabia
 
HSBC's Chief Executive (one of the world's largest banking and financial services organisations) said Saudi Arabia is unlikely to see any significant impact on its trade and investment flows following Khashoggi's killing.

He acknowledged that the case had damaged the kingdom's reputation internationally, but that any negative feeling will likely not be reflected in trade.

"I understand the emotion around the story, but it is very difficult to think about disengaging from Saudi Arabia given its importance to global energy markets," he said.

Jamal Khashoggi case: All the latest updates

I think most countries will carry on regardless and any form of punishment will be infinitesimal.
 
On Sunday, Turkish investigators looking into Khashoggi's killing were to present Saudi Arabia's top prosecutor with a 150-page dossier and request another joint search at the consul-general's residence in Istanbul.

A 150-page dossier was to be presented to the Saudi prosecutor at a meeting to be held on Monday which includes interviews with 45 consulate employees.

According to a source, the dossier also identifies four people as the prime suspects in the killing but only names three of them: the Saudi Consul-General, a forensics expert and a further person who was identified as being part of a 15-member team of suspected Saudi agents who flew into and out of Istanbul on October 2. The unnamed fourth person will be presented as a main suspect, a "local collaborator" who, according to Riyadh, was given JK's body in order to dispose of it.

Police sources have told Turkish media that the Saudi consul station chief went to a forest north of Istanbul the day before the killing. A CCTV showed a black car with a diplomatic license plate at an entrance to the forest on Oct. 1. Apparently he left Istanbul for Riyadh on Sept. 29 and returned on Oct 1, the day that he was seen around the forest.

An intelligence source told a British newspaper that the UK was made aware of a plot to kidnap JK and take him back to SA for questioning 3 weeks before he entered the consulate on Oct. 2. However, the door seemed to be left open for alternative remedies to what was seen as a big problem. "We know the orders came from a member of the royal circle but have no direct information to link them to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman." MI6 had warned their Saudi counterparts to cancel the mission but the request was ignored.

Jamal Khashoggi case: All the latest updates
 
Monday:

The Saudi and Turkish prosecutors met for approx. 75 minutes but no information has so far been released as to what they discussed. Turkey's Minister of Foreign Affairs said that the sharing of information between the two prosecutors will be useful and that SA should conclude the investigation as soon as possible.

Jamal Khashoggi case: All the latest updates
 
JudgeJudi said:
On Sunday, Turkish investigators looking into Khashoggi's killing were to present Saudi Arabia's top prosecutor with a 150-page dossier and request another joint search at the consul-general's residence in Istanbul.

A 150-page dossier was to be presented to the Saudi prosecutor at a meeting to be held on Monday which includes interviews with 45 consulate employees.

According to a source, the dossier also identifies four people as the prime suspects in the killing but only names three of them: the Saudi Consul-General, a forensics expert and a further person who was identified as being part of a 15-member team of suspected Saudi agents who flew into and out of Istanbul on October 2. The unnamed fourth person will be presented as a main suspect, a "local collaborator" who, according to Riyadh, was given JK's body in order to dispose of it.

Police sources have told Turkish media that the Saudi consul station chief went to a forest north of Istanbul the day before the killing. A CCTV showed a black car with a diplomatic license plate at an entrance to the forest on Oct. 1. Apparently he left Istanbul for Riyadh on Sept. 29 and returned on Oct 1, the day that he was seen around the forest.

An intelligence source told a British newspaper that the UK was made aware of a plot to kidnap JK and take him back to SA for questioning 3 weeks before he entered the consulate on Oct. 2. However, the door seemed to be left open for alternative remedies to what was seen as a big problem. "We know the orders came from a member of the royal circle but have no direct information to link them to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman." MI6 had warned their Saudi counterparts to cancel the mission but the request was ignored.

Jamal Khashoggi case: All the latest updates
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I so want Turkey to find his remains.

I don't get why someone as high-ranking as the Saudi Consul station chief would personally take a trip out into the forest, if he were looking for a potential burial site. You'd think a low-ranking, unknown operative would be doing that... someone almost untraceable
 
The Saudi's are in the news yet again and this time in NY where 2 Saudi Arabian sisters were found bound together with duct tape and floating in the Hudson River at W69th Street. Their mother reported today that the two sisters (who had been living in a shelter in NYC) had been ordered back to SA after requesting asylum in the US. Sisters found dead in river were ordered home by Saudis: Mom. NYPD is investigating and autopsy results are pending. WS Thread has many more details. Saudi Consulate has not made a statement about this most recent case.
 
From Bess Levin at Vanity Fair's daily mail blog:

Bess Levin at Vanity Fair bess_levin@condenast.com via mail2.tinyletterapp.com
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Nearly one month to the day that journalist and dissident Jamal Khashoggi walked into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and was never seen again, the broad consensus, based on exceedingly compelling evidence, is that the Saudi government had him killed. That evidence includes things like the kingdom admitting this, and that the deed was premeditated, a week after it insisted it knew nothing about the matter. The only thing left to determine at this point is if Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is lying when he claims he wasn’t the one who ordered the hit, and experts say it’s highly unlikely an operation like this would have gone down without the de facto ruler’s knowledge (he’s also been linked to at least 5 of the 15 people said to be involved in Khashoggi’s murder and dismemberment by bone saw). But BlackRock C.E.O. Larry Fink, the founder of the world’s largest asset manager, which just so happens to be partnered with Saudi Arabia on a $40 billion investment fund, thinks the jury is still out.

“We don’t know who is responsible for the murder,” Fink, who has demanded social responsibility from public companies, said at the New York Times DealBook conference on Thursday. “Everybody has their own theories.” It’s true! Saudi Arabia—whose story concerning the killing has now changed multiple times—says M.B.S. had nothing to do with it, and then you have everyone else. Saying “everybody has their own theories” about this is like saying, “everybody has their own theories about whether or not we actually landed on the moon. Lucid, reasonable people believe we did, and crackpot conspiracy theorists think the government is lying to us about it just like it always does. Who’s to say who’s right?”

Of course, Fink’s take is not too surprising, considering he told CNBC earlier this month that his company wouldn’t stop doing business with the kingdom even if definitive proof emerged that it had ordered Khashoggi’s killing. And, clearly, he’s not alone. For every corporate executive that pulled out of the Future Investment Initiative conference, not one has actually said they plan to give up that sweet, sweet Saudi cash. On Wednesday, JPMorgan C.E.O. Jamie Dimon flat out said at an Axios event that dropping out of the conference was a P.R. move. John Flint, chief executive of HSBC, said earlier this week that while he, too, bailed on the F.I.I., he doesn’t even want to think about “disengaging from Saudi Arabia.” And, obviously, the executive branch of the U.S. government would back him up there:

A month after the killing of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi, the Trump administration has decided to stand by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, having concluded that he is almost certain to retain his grip on power despite a growing international consensus that he bears responsibility, officials familiar with the deliberations said. . . . [A]fter a month of escalating criticism over the killing, a handful of American voices have recently begun extolling the importance of the Saudi-American alliance, in a possible sign of stabilization in the prince’s standing in Washington. “There is no change in any military relationship we have with Saudi Arabia,” Gen. Joseph Votel, the top United States commander in the Middle East, told the military publication Defense One this week, calling the partnership “strong, deep,” and “beneficial.”

It looks like Jared Kushner was right—the whole thing did blow over!
 
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