do they really stand for the same name for baustria? I couldn't find her name among his followers?
GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #1
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do they really stand for the same name for baustria? I couldn't find her name among his followers?
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They may have taken her cell phone and iPad( to sell).as far as her jewelry it might not have had value. could have been costume jewelry. And I do not believe her wallet was found on her. They must have taken her wallet and thrown her license out (which was found next to her)and kept whatever else was in there. It is a POSSIBILITY those people deleted their accounts because they knew people would start searching them and if they really had nothing to do with anything, they didn't want people to contact them and start accusing. Just my theory but strong possibility i could be wrong
This is what happened in India "When Mogre returned he was shocked to notice the bag gone. But unaware of the facility of tracing the gadget, Mogre's first thought was to buy another instrument. "I was not aware of the tracing facility. I am amazed the way the Apple team traced the iPad and brought it back to me in just two hours. I am impressed," said a delighted Mogre."
So the tracing facility could help her ipad to be discovered?
It was probably destroyed.
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I think we'll know more once the DNA results come back. Anyone know how long it takes? My only experience is through shows like CSI and unfortunately I think it takes longer than 15 min.
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I believe if it is a rush order it could take as short as 3 to 5 days. otherwise, It take a few weeks. I hope in this case, it comes back quick. And I'm sure we will have answers!
They were discussing this on TV. They said it is not going to be too soon. A DNA match could be done in less than day however in this case they have many samples which are going to be analysed, sorted, dna pattern will be drawn. Compare it against 22 people's etc.
They estimated 2 weeks is a reasonable time.
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Entry 1426 this thread.
FWIW - these pictures are of an abandoned hospital in Staten Island. It is in a relatively isolated area, surrounded by woods, and would take a bit of effort to get into (there is a fence around the area although in some places it is possible to get in - from what i remember). It is known as a place where teenagers go to drink or stuff of that nature. There is definitely the possibility of running into a homeless person, or some unsavory character, although not likely. I myself have been there and didn't really think twice. Anyway my point is that in addition to urban landscapes, perhaps she was comfortable and enjoyed taking pictures of these abandoned type areas. It is interesting, a seemingly deserted and neglected structure/area amongst all the hustle and bustle of a city. I see why she may be drawn to it.
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The authorities have questioned Taylan and took samples from him, but what is keeping him from not leaving the country? After all, couldn't he get a fake ID and leave? Sorry if this is a dumb question. :waitasec: He is my #1 suspect.
I believe it's the hospital referenced in the documentary Chopsey if anyone is interested. It is a pretty famous place to do urban decay photography, as it the ship graveyard on Staten Island. Getting to these places is risky, but physically and legally, and should not be done on a whim. (I've shot the ship graveyard, but not the hospital on Staten Island.)
As someone who also photographs graffiti and decaying architecture, I can say, I'd have gone to shoot that wall. The pictures I've seen make it a very attractive subject in this particular sub genre of photography. Not sure that's what she was doing, but if it comes out that she went there willingly to shoot, I won't be the least bit surprised.
I said the "false detail" bit. But so far there hasn't been any official written statement. Only brief verbal statements. And I don't think police chief mentioned anything about the state of her pants and underwear.
Here may be something to note. There is a talk show on "CNN Turk" hosted by a famous CSI expert, which Lavy mentioned earlier. If I recall right, she said that a few years ago a couple of university students were found dead due to gas poisoning. And all the newspapers said that they were naked. However, (as she said) they weren't. It was protocol for the CSI unit to conduct an initial examination of the bodies at the crime scene and they had to undress them. So, I am guessing it could be the case with this crime scene. Some police officer sees her pants down around her knees, another sees them by her side. They tell their friends. And false details leak out. We really have to wait for the official reports.
I hope they do a better job than Turkish Doping Control Center who almost destroyed Diana Taurasi's basketball career with a false positive (and ended up getting their license suspended by WADA).
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As for a little good news, Sarai's family has raised enough money through her photography to pay for her funeral:
http://abcnews.go.com/International...-sellers-family-puts-online/story?id=18410697
What a tragic way for the world to have to learn of her talent.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...-sellers-family-puts-online/story?id=18410697
What a tragic way for the world to have to learn of her talent.
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That's wonderful...
Has it been mentioned whether or not Sarais backpack was found with her body?
It looked like a backpack she was carrying around in the mall, or something similar. I was wondering if her killer emptied out anything he didnt want (ie her spare shoes) and took it to transport her electronic equipment. If the backpack was there, then he would have had his own bag to carry them in.
It looked like a backpack she was carrying around in the mall, or something similar. I was wondering if her killer emptied out anything he didnt want (ie her spare shoes) and took it to transport her electronic equipment. If the backpack was there, then he would have had his own bag to carry them in.
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Just finished catching up on all the post since I've been gone.
I just really don't believe this was a random attack. To believe that we would have to believe two main things
1.) that she just stumbled on that spot.
2.) that some junkie/homeless man attacked
First lets start with the homeless junkie theory. This type of scenario would be incredibley unusual in Turkey. These types of violent crimes just are not common there. If we were looking at this case taking place in the US i might be more willing to buy this but in Turkey the percentile chance that this time of crime is severely reduced. Due to the intensity of the attack we would have to believe that this individual was so drugged out of his mind that he just went nutty. After all if it wasnt personal what other reason would someone have to beat her so agressively? (this theory Sounds more like a boogie man story we tell to children.) Additionally am I really suppose to believe that someone was so drugged up, saw some chick, decided to attach her and brutally beat her yet was of sane mind enough to also conceal the body?
The location is also a big indicator that this was not random. I know its hard to understand for people who do not have personal knowledge of this specific area but she just wouldn't have ended up there on her own. I'm not saying she wouldn't have ended up at the walls on her own, but she wouldn't have ended up at that SPECIFIC place by the walls on her own. The only possibility is if she had been there before with someone else. She walked a mile along those walls before reaching the place she was found. DUring that entire mile were the very same walls. If her only goal was to capture images of the wall (and perhaps tracks) there was an entire mile to do it before she reached that point. It seems from the images from surveillance that she was heading specifically for that spot. Why?
I know someone mentioned she had taken pictures of other "questionable" places in ny, but via her istagram and her reference to planning phoo walks with people, I doubt she went to these places alone. Just as I doubt she would have felt comfortable venturing to that very seedy looking area alone.
Additionally as for the broken bottles, I doubt they have anything to do with the crime, there is lots of trash throw about in that area. My guess is they wanted to see if any DNA evidenc could be found because of its proximity to the body.
I just really don't believe this was a random attack. To believe that we would have to believe two main things
1.) that she just stumbled on that spot.
2.) that some junkie/homeless man attacked
First lets start with the homeless junkie theory. This type of scenario would be incredibley unusual in Turkey. These types of violent crimes just are not common there. If we were looking at this case taking place in the US i might be more willing to buy this but in Turkey the percentile chance that this time of crime is severely reduced. Due to the intensity of the attack we would have to believe that this individual was so drugged out of his mind that he just went nutty. After all if it wasnt personal what other reason would someone have to beat her so agressively? (this theory Sounds more like a boogie man story we tell to children.) Additionally am I really suppose to believe that someone was so drugged up, saw some chick, decided to attach her and brutally beat her yet was of sane mind enough to also conceal the body?
The location is also a big indicator that this was not random. I know its hard to understand for people who do not have personal knowledge of this specific area but she just wouldn't have ended up there on her own. I'm not saying she wouldn't have ended up at the walls on her own, but she wouldn't have ended up at that SPECIFIC place by the walls on her own. The only possibility is if she had been there before with someone else. She walked a mile along those walls before reaching the place she was found. DUring that entire mile were the very same walls. If her only goal was to capture images of the wall (and perhaps tracks) there was an entire mile to do it before she reached that point. It seems from the images from surveillance that she was heading specifically for that spot. Why?
I know someone mentioned she had taken pictures of other "questionable" places in ny, but via her istagram and her reference to planning phoo walks with people, I doubt she went to these places alone. Just as I doubt she would have felt comfortable venturing to that very seedy looking area alone.
Additionally as for the broken bottles, I doubt they have anything to do with the crime, there is lots of trash throw about in that area. My guess is they wanted to see if any DNA evidenc could be found because of its proximity to the body.
I think she was invited to rendezvous with her eventual murderer(s). I also think LE probably has enough information to determine who the killer(s) are at this point by virtue of the gmail interchange, the succession of events leading to Sarai's death (phone call's text's et al), and information from the crime scene. There are a lot of international sensitivities associated with this case (FBI involvement) and they are trying to be as judicious as possible. Consequently, I think that there is an increased likelihood that Sarai was raped due to the lack of clarity initially and thereafter. These are just my intuitive thoughts based on the facts available.
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