GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #1

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Thank you I'm sure you're link is the correct one.

I'm not so sure anymore. He lists a last name, which seems like it may be his true identity. However, news sources are saying that LE has uncovered his 'true' identity and that the name "Taylan" is just his internet name. So unless he has a complete false name - first and last name - then... :waitasec:

I guess there are people that do that.
 
I don't buy the smuggling angle either. Her online friends not knowing about her children may just be her safeguarding her children's privacy. I commend her on that. People should be very careful about what information they put online about their kids.
 
honestly I don't see the drug thing at all. She was flying. You can drive from Istanbul to Amsterdam or Munich, and you'd be unlikely to hit a border check on the way. I entirely fail to see why any drug smuggler would bother putting a rookie mule on a plane when they could load up a truck and drive it.

Maybe it does happen but if so then organised crime is way less organised than I thought it was.

I do think there is a strong drug angle possible but not in smuggling drugs from Istanbul to Amsterdam but rather from Istanbul back to the US. I think the short stay in A'dam and the three days spent in Munich were utilized to prep her for her role. There is a huge Turkish population in Germany. I think it's all connected to some sort of trafficking. IMO.
 
I agree. Here is a different online translation, from babelxl.com. Still a little choppy with some phrases, but babel used 'there are wirelessin' instead of 'you are wireles'. I think he was trying to say that he hopes there is cell phone or wireless data coverage in the area, which makes me wonder just where they were meeting:

Here is yet another translation:


On the day of her return, Jan 21st at 11:00 AM, Sarai messages to a Turk named Taylan, "I am almost across the Galata Tower. Will you come?" After waiting at a cafe until 11:33 AM, she message him again, "I'm leaving, if you want to reach me, call me". At 12:45 PM, she receives a message from Taylan, "I'll come over there. I'm assuming that you have wireless."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57566646/possible-suspect-for-nyc-mom-missing-in-turkey/
 
Here is yet another translation:


On the day of her return, Jan 21st at 11:00 AM, Sarai messages to a Turk named Taylan, "I am almost across the Galata Tower. Will you come?" After waiting at a cafe until 11:33 AM, she message him again, "I'm leaving, if you want to reach me, call me". At 12:45 PM, she receives a message from Taylan, "I'll come over there. I'm assuming that you have wireless."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57566646/possible-suspect-for-nyc-mom-missing-in-turkey/

Thank you - I saw another one that said 'internet'. I think we're all thinking the same thing: that evidently she needed wireless in order to contact him and/or a map.... (ETA: or not what I re-read what you posted above, that he was coming to *her* for wireless?)
 
Maybe her phone didn't work in Turkey so she was using the wifi feature to talk via a chat app such as Facebook.
 
Todayszaman.com.istanbul website has new news. I dont know how to attach link. Turk police have Tayman facial identity though not posted. She was last seen on st. on camera at 11:33 am..was supposed to meet T at bridge ar 12:45 that day..jan 21..that us day sge was suposed to leave. Sge emailed T twice that am. One bounced back. Why would she be out touring at midday w a internat flight to catch? And she wasnt even packed??

Maybe T promised her something she wanted very much to take back home to her family. He could have used this to lure her to the bridge and then "did whatever"? Just an idea.
 
I don't think it is that weird for her to be sightseeing on the day she's leaving without being packed. Packing to go home, unless you've bought a lot of stuff and your suitcases are bulging at the seams is much faster than packing to go on vacation. Plus, lots of people like to be very active because they get on a long flight so they are tired.
 
“Yes, she [Sierra] was staying at my place,” he posted recently on Instagram. “I took her around Amsterdam and let her meet my friends. She had such a great time.”

Ammer R. explained he and Sierra, both of whom “share that passion” for photography, met on Instagram. Ammer R. said after asking about the city, Sierra wanted to see Amsterdam and stop by for a few days. He offered her his couch.

“I showed her [Sierra] my city and knew what she would like to see and capture,” he continued on Instagram. “It was harsh winter but we biked and walked around town and I showed her the graffiti spots, etc.

He shared a photo of Sierra, sporting the same hat, leather jacket and boots she is pictured wearing on security camera footage in İstanbul, standing in the middle of a graffiti-covered ramp.

The two continued communicating after Sierra left for Munich and then İstanbul. Like her family, Ammer R. last heard from Sierra on Jan. 21.

http://http://www.todayszaman.com/news-305747-tracing-missing-new-yorkers-steps-online.html
 
It is not the Asmterdam tour guy. The two guys she hung out with in Amsterdam, she left in Amsterdam, and they never left there. Also proved by their Instrgram postings around Amsterdam after the fact for the last 2 weeks, that they never left Amsterdam. Though she absolutely left Amsterdam and was back in Turkey, where she was "last seen". They are non factors in her dissapearance in Turkey.

The possibility is either this "Taylan" Turkish person of interest she was supposed to meet at Galata bridge, or some other random. This is the last communication they have between her and someone else, then she dissappeared.

Maybe someone could help a slow person like me. ;) I've been busy over the past few days and haven't had a chance to be fully up to speed on this case and was curious as to how we know about the A'dam 'partying' (where were these comments posted?) and how do we know that these guys never left A'dam? Can't a person post a pic that they took earlier even if they are in another city?

Sorry that I'm not quite up to speed and haven't had time to dig into the social media behind the scenes that may contain this info but I haven't seen it in MSM yet. Thanks very much!
 
Istiklal Ave, apparently the last time that SS was caught on CCTV cameras (at least as far as I've heard so far) is a very busy thoroughfare.

A bit of background:
Istiklal Avenue (Turkish: Istiklal Caddesi) is one of the most famous avenues in Istanbul,visited by nearly 3 million people in a single day over the course of weekends. Located in the historic Beyoglu district, it is an elegant pedestrian street, approximately three kilometers long, which houses exquisite boutiques, music stores, bookstores, art galleries, cinemas, theaters, libraries, cafes, pubs, night clubs with live music, historical patisseries, chocolateries and restaurants. The avenue, surrounded by the unique nineteenth century Turkish architecture, starts from the medieval Genoese neighbourhood around Galata Tower and ultimately leads up to Taksim Square.

http://www.turkeytravelresource.com/-istiklal-avenue-view-59-guide.html

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It certainly looks to be on the way (or on the way back) from where she was staying to Galata Bridge.
 
Because she is a woman traveling alone. I am neither Hispanic nor from NYC and I am acutely aware that when I fly to certain countries alone, I will get more scrutiny going through immigration and customs. Women are used as mules because they don't SEEM like drug smugglers. It's just a fact of life. Sort of how one of the places you are most likely to get pickpocketed in certain cities is while visiting a church. There is an illusion of safety in churches, and criminals prey on that. (pun unintended, but acknowledged)

I understand what a mule is and that women are usually mules b/c they are unsuspecting. What I'm talking about is the fact that many women go missing yet I hardly see such negative comments about them. The fact that she is Latina is causing people to make uneccessary derogatory comments about her. For example, a few months ago when a woman named Robin went to Aruba with a man she didn't know I didn't see anyone posting that she may probably be an "escort". Everyone was commenting on the "bad man who took the blonde girl". But, with SS I am reading all over the internet that there is a drug angle. This is bothersome. I promise you if she was a blonde girl no one would be using this mule angle. You would only see postings that a "bad Turk took the blonde girl". This is very irritating.
 
Family of missing American in Turkey holds out hope

......Steven Sierra said police have a few leads on what may have happened to his wife during her first trip alone. He said he is upset over suggestive stories appearing in the Istanbul press in which anonymous sources tell reporters that his wife had several male visitors during her trip and may have left with one of them......

......Sierra went on the trip to practice her skills at photography, a hobby she had become serious about. .......

.......Sierra, who has two young children, was staying in a district known for drug dealing and prostitution, having arranged on the Internet to rent a basement room from a college student. Her belongings were in the room after she vanished, and the student denies any wrongdoing.

"She always knew she wanted to go overseas," Rodriguez said. "The whereabouts wasn't always set in stone, but she knew she wanted to go over to Europe, at least once in her life, to check out the sights and embrace the culture for herself - to be able to talk with people over there and see what their life was like."......

Full article at http://www.desmoinesregister.com/usatoday/article/1881159
 
I so hope that she is safe. I am all over the place on this one. I don't think she ran away with a romantic suitor. However the drug mule angle intrigues me. I think it might be possible that she was trying to get an earlier flight because she decided that she couldn't go through with the "drop off" after all when she arrived into the US. She of course wouldn't have wanted her handlers to know this so she went through the motions. This may be why she didn't pack her belongings and was making plans up until her departure day because this wasn't in fact her agreed upon departure day, to her handlers she was leaving on the 25th. This might also explain her detailed flight instructions to her father and the "don't forget" statement. Gosh such a confusing case.
 
The more I hear, the more this trip seems odd to me. Any one factor can be easily explained, but the combination becomes harder to ignore.
There’s nothing strange about a married mother taking a trip abroad with a friend. However, this isn’t just a married woman, it is a woman who has been married for over a decade to a man she’s known since high school and has never been abroad. Never. No honeymoon in Jamaica, or week in Cancun, or trip to the Bahamas, all vacations that would be more usual and fairly easy to take without the kids. Wouldn’t a first time traveler want to wait for a time that she and her husband could go as a couple, given that this isn’t the kind of trip that is likely to be repeated at any time in the near future? If you are going to go without your family, why stay for 3 weeks? Wouldn’t a ten day trip be plenty of time to explore some local culture, take some pictures, and go home? In fact, the whole idea of using photography as a key motivation for the trip strikes me as odd. She isn’t a professional photographer, she’s a hobbyist, and there are lots of beautiful places to take photos a lot closer to home.

Then there’s the question of why Istanbul. It is supposed to be lovely, and it is a fairly popular destination for Americans (tied for 24 on the US Commerce Department’s list) but still, it isn’t London, Paris or Rome. Not the likeliest trip for a first-time traveler. Even if we assume she was able to get a better deal to Istanbul than to a place like Rome, I find it hard to believe she couldn’t have taken a two week trip to a different city (and perhaps one more conveniently positioned for multi-country travel) for similar cost.

The side-trips add in another layer. Amsterdam is a popular city, but she only spent a day there despite, it seems, having free lodgings. Munich is not a hot-spot for tourists compared to a lot of other cities in the region. Even if we assume she met an IG friend and stayed for free there as well, that would hardly seem to warrant going to Munich rather than, say, staying in a hostel in Prague for two nights, which wouldn’t break the bank either. Though there are satisfying explanations for why she might have gone from Istanbul to Amsterdam to Munich and back, rather than stopping in those cities on the way home, taken with everything else, it is another aspect of the trip that requires some explanation. As for the Amsterdam trip, how many women traveling alone – especially married woman, even naïve ones – would be comfortable couchsurfing with a man they’d never met in person before? Whether or not the guy had any really evil intentions, wouldn’t you be worried about sending the wrong message?

The friend cancelling is the final bizarre piece of the puzzle for me. If she had cancelled because of an illness of death in the family, that would be one thing, but when you have a major trip planned, don’t you make sure you can afford it well in advance of leaving? If she found she couldn’t, couldn’t she have cut the very long trip short instead of cancelling entirely? Or was there some other reason that she felt uncomfortable about this trip and backed out?

Look, normally I go by Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation is generally the right one. When a young girl goes missing after a night of partying in Aruba, I’m not going to start entertaining the possibility of her being a drug mule or a CIA agent or any other wild explanation. But when this much doesn’t add up, it gives you pause. It sound to me like Sarai Sierra wanted to come home. Whether she was involved in something less innocuous than photography while away is, to me, still a real question.
 
I understand what a mule is and that women are usually mules b/c they are unsuspecting. What I'm talking about is the fact that many women go missing yet I hardly see such negative comments about them. The fact that she is Latina is causing people to make uneccessary derogatory comments about her. For example, a few months ago when a woman named Robin went to Aruba with a man she didn't know I didn't see anyone posting that she may probably be an "escort". Everyone was commenting on the "bad man who took the blonde girl". But, with SS I am reading all over the internet that there is a drug angle. This is bothersome. I promise you if she was a blonde girl no one would be using this mule angle. You would only see postings that a "bad Turk took the blonde girl". This is very irritating.

Actually every drug mule case I have heard about involved a blonde far skinned woman. The Latina aspect never even entered into my mind in this case. I didn't even realize SS was Latina.
 
Actually every drug mule case I have heard about involved a blonde far skinned woman. The Latina aspect never even entered into my mind in this case. I didn't even realize SS was Latina.

Yes. This. Although I do know of women of all skin tones being used as mules, but a) I didn't realize she was Latina and b) I doubt they would use someone of an olive skin tone to come out of Turkey. If she was African American or Nordic looking, she would look far more like a tourist.


I don't think she was a mule. I think she trusted someone she thought she "knew" from online and met with foul play. Close second is just a woman traveling alone falling prey to someone nefarious targeting tourists. I'm a very well traveled and fairly street savvy and I've had run ins that would make your skin crawl.
 
I feel like people read or watch too much TV dramas with wild speculations. Like one poster said, usually the simple explanations based on facts are what would have happened. People have ill intent all over the world, and harm occurs to our loved ones in random acts all the time. I could make up a million wild speculations, maybe she wanted to be a spy, wanted to get a sex change and dissappear as a man, perhaps she joined a turkish photography cult, maybe she got lost and had instant memory loss and is wandering around aimlessly. The tangents could be endless. I usually stick to simple analysis of facts, and though the harm that could have come could have a multitude of possible tangents, these tangets still follow similar threads. Women are victimized due to their gender time immemorial, irregardless of how good their judgement usually is, it is a sad but simple truth.
 
The more I hear, the more this trip seems odd to me. Any one factor can be easily explained, but the combination becomes harder to ignore.
There’s nothing strange about a married mother taking a trip abroad with a friend. However, this isn’t just a married woman, it is a woman who has been married for over a decade to a man she’s known since high school and has never been abroad. Never. No honeymoon in Jamaica, or week in Cancun, or trip to the Bahamas, all vacations that would be more usual and fairly easy to take without the kids. Wouldn’t a first time traveler want to wait for a time that she and her husband could go as a couple, given that this isn’t the kind of trip that is likely to be repeated at any time in the near future? If you are going to go without your family, why stay for 3 weeks? Wouldn’t a ten day trip be plenty of time to explore some local culture, take some pictures, and go home? In fact, the whole idea of using photography as a key motivation for the trip strikes me as odd. She isn’t a professional photographer, she’s a hobbyist, and there are lots of beautiful places to take photos a lot closer to home.

Then there’s the question of why Istanbul. It is supposed to be lovely, and it is a fairly popular destination for Americans (tied for 24 on the US Commerce Department’s list) but still, it isn’t London, Paris or Rome. Not the likeliest trip for a first-time traveler. Even if we assume she was able to get a better deal to Istanbul than to a place like Rome, I find it hard to believe she couldn’t have taken a two week trip to a different city (and perhaps one more conveniently positioned for multi-country travel) for similar cost.

The side-trips add in another layer. Amsterdam is a popular city, but she only spent a day there despite, it seems, having free lodgings. Munich is not a hot-spot for tourists compared to a lot of other cities in the region. Even if we assume she met an IG friend and stayed for free there as well, that would hardly seem to warrant going to Munich rather than, say, staying in a hostel in Prague for two nights, which wouldn’t break the bank either. Though there are satisfying explanations for why she might have gone from Istanbul to Amsterdam to Munich and back, rather than stopping in those cities on the way home, taken with everything else, it is another aspect of the trip that requires some explanation. As for the Amsterdam trip, how many women traveling alone – especially married woman, even naïve ones – would be comfortable couchsurfing with a man they’d never met in person before? Whether or not the guy had any really evil intentions, wouldn’t you be worried about sending the wrong message?

The friend cancelling is the final bizarre piece of the puzzle for me. If she had cancelled because of an illness of death in the family, that would be one thing, but when you have a major trip planned, don’t you make sure you can afford it well in advance of leaving? If she found she couldn’t, couldn’t she have cut the very long trip short instead of cancelling entirely? Or was there some other reason that she felt uncomfortable about this trip and backed out?

Look, normally I go by Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation is generally the right one. When a young girl goes missing after a night of partying in Aruba, I’m not going to start entertaining the possibility of her being a drug mule or a CIA agent or any other wild explanation. But when this much doesn’t add up, it gives you pause. It sound to me like Sarai Sierra wanted to come home. Whether she was involved in something less innocuous than photography while away is, to me, still a real question.

There is nothing bizarre about her friend canceling at the last minute. It seems like SS was the one who was passionate about this trip and her friend would have went along just for fun. Many trips have been canceled by family or friends due to lack of funds. One thing I don't understand is why she was staying in that dumpy apartments when there are many nicer online for just as cheap. I definitely don't understand why a married woman would share a place with a male stranger but the only thing that I could think of is that she read his online reviews and being a university student as herself she felt they had something in common. This still does not translate to being a drug mule. The one thing that stands out to me is that she left for Amsterdam on the 12th (five days after arriving in Turkey) and she doesn't return until the 19th. If her main goal for the trip was visiting Turkey why did she leave for Europe after 5 days of being there. I just chuck the whole weirdness to her inexperience of being a traveler. I guess this is the result of never being exposed to anything until you are 33. My explanation for her bizareness is a really a lack of sophistication. I rather believe that before I believe that she was a drug mule. This makes no sense at all.
 
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