GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[bourne]

Police watched her in camera from 11.30 to 13:15 alone.
So they haven't met on the bridge we know that for sure.

Also I know this is not a popular idea here but if police had any suspect Taylan meeting with Sarai that day he would be detained. Since he was questioned police said he is not a suspect.

My guess is that he went to work or somewhere else and he was with other people all day. Thats not he wasn't a suspect from the beginning.

Don't get me wrong, this is not directly a disagreement to you. Its just that your post reminded me few things that I wanted to write for long time.

I can't see how it looks more possible that he is a MIT agent or bribing the police than my simple scenario that (after he went to bridge he called SS, her phone was switched off/ she didn't had internet) He went to work. He was with people all day and proved that to police.

My view is that if he has already been given a lot of leeway in this investigation. He wasn't questioned at the police station. He got to choose where they can interview him.

I'm thinking the only reason LE would be so generous to a POI is that he has some affiliation or status in the community. If he is MIT, then he definitely would be granted such latitude, if only out of respect for a fellow agent.

I don't think he needs to bribe police if he is already MIT. I think it's implicit within LE to show deference to other "blue bloods".

That's why I'm really curious as to whether he has a solid, irrefutable alibi or not. If he does, well, then my theory is shot. lol

 

[Yellow]

If you look at Steven's site posted above there are some interesting posts from about a month ago, one about people should not cheat and another that says good relationships just do not happen, they take patience, time and two people wanting to be together.

The posts are sort of odd to say publicly for all your friends to see and these were posted a month ago, right around when she left. Looking at them in hindsight, makes me think that maybe this was just a trial separation or some sort of regrouping phase to the marriage, that she was going to go away for a bit, and then they would see what happened when she got back.

All this goes to the reason for her trip... Probably for her to regroup, explore herself a little more and decide what she wanted next in life...

Alot of people seem to think it is still Taylan and I agree he should be number 1 suspect.... Except I do not see how you get around the DNA as it seems like we are being told there is killer DNA and it does not match him.

And I do not believe he would frame someone else.. What would he do, kill her in heat of passion, say, I have to find DNA to plant, let me go get that DNA and risk being seen by the body to go back and plant the DNA? The only way DNA planting makes sense is if he planned to kill her (but why?) and had the time to plant DNA. But whose? And why? Why plant DNA rather than burn the body to get rid of DNA?

Does anyone recall any WS cases where killer planted DNA? Usually when killer plants DNA it is usually bc they want to frame a specific person. But who would Taykan want to frame? And if he wanted to frame them, wouldn't he say, hey, I think it is so and so who did it? So LE would at least be on that person 's tail? And then police would get DNA from that person immediately? We would know by now if that DNA matched..

So how do you get around DNA issue w Taylan? Can you?

And I don't see how the DNA planting could play out...

 

[ThinkHard]

I don't think I've ever seen a payphone in Istanbul, but I can't say for sure I haven't.

As far as the other woman, I think she was found in the bosphorous. Though I don't think I heard much more about it. I don't remember if the location was close to where Sarai was found, though I don't remember noting it was. Hmmm interesting ideas though.

Definetly some speculations we haven't really discussed.

Thanks for your contribution. I
Hope u stick around.

 

[lavy]

My view is that if he has already been given a lot of leeway in this investigation. He wasn't questioned at the police station. He got to choose where they can interview him.

I'm thinking the only reason LE would be so generous to a POI is that he has some affiliation or status in the community. If he is MIT, then he definitely would be granted such latitude, if only out of respect for a fellow agent.

I don't think he needs to bribe police if he is already MIT. I think it's implicit within LE to show deference to other "blue bloods".

That's why I'm really curious as to whether he has a solid, irrefutable alibi or not. If he does, well, then my theory is shot. lol

Again I am sorry in advance this might sound harsh, although I don't want to but there seems to be a big misunderstanding. I keep trying it but somehow I can't clear it up.

-He WAS questioned in a police station.
-Turkish LE is obliged to hide the name of the PO and prevent his name to be revealed to public until he is proven to be guilty. (I translated the law regarding that)
-Somebody joked saying maybe it is MIT and somehow everybody started believing this.
-Status in the community can not protect him in this case.
- His lawyer said they send all the alibi to LE and SS's family.

-Why do you think LE is generous to him?

 

[Yellow]

Not necessarily playing hard to get, but maybe she just felt being with Taylan wasn't right, and she didn't really feel anything deep for him, nor him her.

It seems also that she and her hubby are deeply religious -- just going on his Instagram seems to indicate that -- so I'm not even sure we can believe Taylan's words that they had consensual sex.

Obviously we can no longer ask Sarai. And we only have Taylan's words. And which murderer would say that sex was forced upon a victim? Authorities said she wasn't sexually assaulted, but maybe he drugged her drink and that's how he got his way with her. Who knows? Again, we only have his words alone about what happened.

I agree, that website indicates that the family is very religious...it makes the sex story seem like she acted totally out of character if true, which is why I am not sure...

If Taylan is not murderer, it would not make sense why he would make up sex story unless he had bragged to people he had slept w her. In reality she might have shot him down

Just from the look of Taylan, IMO, he does not look like a nice dorky tour guide to show me around Istanbul. He is an attractive man and someone mentioned how he was friends online w lots of attractive girls. Not that attractive people cannot be good tour guides too, but IMO, if it were me meeting him, I would suspect that we were just not going to be taking pictures. I would suspect that someone looking like him, especially if unmarried, would be interested in romantic things...especially given his profile and his being friends just w hot women.

 

[tresptip]

Theres something about the sex in the bathroom.I think maybe she might have had sex with him there but didn't really want to.It might have been forced somewhat and she just went with it out of fear.

 

[ThinkHard]

Theres something about the sex in the bathroom.I think maybe she might have had sex with him there but didn't really want to.It might have been forced somewhat and she just went with it out of fear.

Maybe it wasn't forced but maybe she was very drunk?

 

[CMac2]

Theres something about the sex in the bathroom.I think maybe she might have had sex with him there but didn't really want to.It might have been forced somewhat and she just went with it out of fear.

What's causing this suspicion?

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[tresptip]

Maybe it wasn't forced but maybe she was very drunk?

I think it was forced.

 

[necco]

Religious Christians STRIVE to be Christlike. Often, they fail. Some of the most religious people I know have cheated. I feel like people are selling Sarai short by saying that T must have raped her or pressured her for her to have sex in a bathroom. Women like sex. Women crave sex. Women sometimes have sex in strange places. Heck, sometimes, it's their idea! To assume because she goes to church that she only has three of the four fs of evolution is really getting kind of offensive, in my opinion.

 

[ThinkHard]

Theres something about the sex in the bathroom.I think maybe she might have had sex with him there but didn't really want to.It might have been forced somewhat and she just went with it out of fear.

I think it was forced.

How come? Just curious as to ur logic. Not as in I'm disagreeing.

 

[tresptip]

What's causing this suspicion?

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Just another crazy thing happened that made me think that.

 

[ThinkHard]

I think it was forced.

How come?
Just curious as to your logic, not saying I'm disagreeing. Just wondering what's making you lean this way?

 

[NewYork625]

Religious Christians STRIVE to be Christlike. Often, they fail. Some of the most religious people I know have cheated. I feel like people are selling Sarai short by saying that T must have raped her or pressured her for her to have sex in a bathroom. Women like sex. Women crave sex. Women sometimes have sex in strange places. Heck, sometimes, it's their idea! To assume because she goes to church that she only has three of the four fs of evolution is really getting kind of offensive, in my opinion.

I believe others are theorizing that something happened to anger her killer, and if Taylan killed her, perhaps it was because she rejected him in some way, maybe sexually.

 

[Meri]

Well think about it, if you were trying to frame homeless people for a crime, would you really use a weapon they wouldn't have access too?

I don't thing professionals worry about framing another person. They just walk away and collect their fee.

 

[ThinkHard]

I don't thing professionals worry about framing another person. They just walk away and collect their fee.

Hey there are just so many mysteries to this case, I almost wouldn't be surprised at anything.

 

[Yellow]

I think it was forced.

There is a difference in it being physically forced, held down, etc, and being under strain and not making wise decisions. We really do not know anything about her personality, was she passive? A very strong spirited person who would let no one take advantage of her? We have no idea.(of course, rape could be without force, it is not just physical force always)

I could see a scenario, and you see this w younger girls typically, where a women who may be passive and lack self confidence could do something that otherwise they may not do in their ordinary life. Especially under the influence of alcohol.

Further, it appear from husbands blog posts that there was some sort of tension in the marriage.people under emotional strain do not always may the best decisions.

We all do things we regret, for her, this might have been one of them

Again we do not know. For all we know, she had great sex w him (if true) and was going back for more the next day. We don't know.

If there is a second guy, what do we know about him? That might be the key to this and perhaps we should focus away from Taylan and more towards this second person.

If she was going to meet Taylan at 12?, how would the timeline work for meeting this second person? Theoretically she was going to meet up w Taylan, so why would she have met up w this second person?

It never made sense the logistics of meeting that 2nd person on the 21st. If things went right she would have been w Taylan so why would she have set up a meeting w someone else?

 

[KuriousKev]

Religious Christians STRIVE to be Christlike. Often, they fail. Some of the most religious people I know have cheated. I feel like people are selling Sarai short by saying that T must have raped her or pressured her for her to have sex in a bathroom. Women like sex. Women crave sex. Women sometimes have sex in strange places. Heck, sometimes, it's their idea! To assume because she goes to church that she only has three of the four fs of evolution is really getting kind of offensive, in my opinion.

My God Thank you for this post.

 

[tresptip]

Have you ever wondered if someone that was suppose to come see you, that you really didn't want to see was going to show?What would you do?

 

[ThinkHard]

Hey I just thought of something. I know that some press said the murder weapon was a rock, but I'm
Not sure if that was confirmed.

But let's say for a second that's rumor and not fact. We keep thinking Sarai was hit with a blunt object. But what if the object was stationary, and it was her head that was smashed into something?

Does anyone know for sure it was 5 times? I've seen stuff that has said one hit to the head and I've seen stuff that says 5. Not sure which info is accurate.

Also today's report said bruising on chin, that sounds like something that happens when you fall forward and can't catch yourself.

Any thoughts, what would make that plausible? What would make it implausible?

What if she was in someones house and she tried to leave and they were fighting, and they grabbed the side of her head and smashed it into a wall? Or a heater, or the corner of something?