GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #3

[Chewy]

Not that we know of, but if she had, I think SS family would have mentioned it by now.

Smuggling through concealment in such devices are futile. They are always X-Rayed, and they are tested by the security to make sure they are operating. (turn on/turn off) Besides, concealing drugs in an iPad, which has already extremely crumped internals, wouldn't amount to much. You cannot hide a profitable amount of drugs in an iPad, and even if you did, you'd get busted in the airport.

Good point! Thanks for the clarification.

 

[nursebeeme]

Knock it off in here now peeps. Talk about the case in a respectful manner. Doors are closed here to give you a bit of time to reflect on that.

 

[nursebeeme]

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[belimom]

There appears to be an update:

Turkish police told MailOnline they have only made public five per cent of what they know about her murder

Though authorities will not have results for two weeks, they have managed to narrow it down to a small group of Sarai Sierra's internet contacts as well as a homeless person who was at the scene when her body was found.
One person who is believed to be talking to investigators is Ammer Reduron, who Sarai connected with on Instagram in the months before her trip and stayed with while she was in Amsterdam.
Little is known about the 32-year-old Dutch national, but last year he posted on a site similar to Craigslist that he lives in an immigrant ghetto in Amsterdam called Zuidoost.
Though his Facebook page lists that he works for Cisco Systems, the company's international headquarters told MailOnline there was no information for him in the company directory.
Last week, Reduron claimed he was not a suspect and admitted Sarai stayed with him when she went to Amsterdam on a side trip - also saying her husband Steven knew this and was OK with it as the two were friends.
'Taking care of her,' he said last week. 'Meaning showing my city and being a good friend to her. She had a wonderful time here.'
On his Facebook, the 32-year-old 'checks in' at Amsterdam airport on January 15, which is purportedly when he went to pick up Sarai.
On January 23 - ten days before her body was found, Sarai's sister Christina Jiminez become Facebook friends with him.

Police however, are giving little away as to what they have uncovered in the investigation.

more at the link

[LINK]

Wowza. Thank you for the update...

Her IG friends plus a homeless person. So have they talked to Ammer, as in the past, as in part of the overall investigation, like we have known about - or is he included in this current subset?

If so...

:thud:


Interesting that the article says that Ammer claims he is not a suspect, yet reports that LE claims that Tarkan is not a suspect. A self-proclamation vs an official one. Has LE actually said Tarkan is not a suspect, or is this just bad reporting?

 

[Yashim]

She had an emotional attachment to Turkey, someone drew her there. I don't remember the amount to time she was originally supposed to stay but she was there 3 weeks before she was suppose to return home. That's a long time to visit just one place for someone yearning to get out and explore. ok ok she visited Amsterdam ( to see Ammer) and Munich. There are so many other beautiful places in EU to capture and love during that time.

So much more to this story. This was not a random attack, the timing she was killed...someone ran out of time and decided to kill her before she could leave.

If this is a planned thing, it is the most unprofessional of all. If a real professional planned it, LE would never find the body. The perps had a lot of time to get rid of the body. If this staged to look like a random attack by a professional, then we would have never suspected this.


Taylan is the one who suggested they tour the peninsula. If Taylan was in it, he would have never told this to LE. Assuming Taylan's not part of this, this must be a random attack. Noboy knew she was there. If she made calls to ask people to join her, LE would have already found out and arrested someone.


It's only in the CSI shows that the perps make some mistakes so that they can wrap it up in 40 minutes.

:banghead:

 

[delal]

I'm assuming Ammer has some proof that he was in Amsterdam the whole time. He also seems to be a very open guy, his facebook is open to some degree, his instagram is also open. Maybe he has some knowledge though, he certainly knows more than any of us about Sarai's state of mind, what she was up to in Istanbul and her plans for her remaining time.

So a homeless person was at the scene of the murder when the body was found? Did the cops find the body or did this guy find the body? I can't remember.

 

[CMac2]

Wowza. Thank you for the update...

Her IG friends plus a homeless person. So have they talked to Ammer, as in the past, as in part of the overall investigation, like we have known about - or is he included in this current subset?

If so...

:thud:


Interesting that the article says that Ammer claims he is not a suspect, yet reports that LE claims that Tarkan is not a suspect. A self-proclamation vs an official one. Has LE actually said Tarkan is not a suspect, or is this just bad reporting?

That they claim to have narrowed it down to her online friends seems to say they aren't really thinking this is random either (save for the homeless person present when they found her body).

I am surprised they're only sharing 5% of what they know. If I had to guess, I'd say that number is about 4.5% too high.

 

[belimom]

That they claim to have narrowed it down to her online friends seems to say they aren't really thinking this is random either (save for the homeless person present when they found her body).

I am surprised they're only sharing 5% of what they know. If I had to guess, I'd say that number is about 4.5% too high.

I do believe it's a subset of her IG friends... but not Tarkan (sorry, CMac!). I just think there were others there -- or contacts of the IG friends that she met once she got there.

But if Ammer is involved, then my head is spinning in circles. He was the initial 'suspect' in many of our minds but we dismissed way back when (at least for me). I still don't know if this article is up-to-date in that regard, or if they are still questioning him.

 

[Munich]

There appears to be an update:

Turkish police told MailOnline they have only made public five per cent of what they know about her murder

Though authorities will not have results for two weeks, they have managed to narrow it down to a small group of Sarai Sierra's internet contacts as well as a homeless person who was at the scene when her body was found.
One person who is believed to be talking to investigators is Ammer Reduron, who Sarai connected with on Instagram in the months before her trip and stayed with while she was in Amsterdam.
Little is known about the 32-year-old Dutch national, but last year he posted on a site similar to Craigslist that he lives in an immigrant ghetto in Amsterdam called Zuidoost.
Though his Facebook page lists that he works for Cisco Systems, the company's international headquarters told MailOnline there was no information for him in the company directory.
Last week, Reduron claimed he was not a suspect and admitted Sarai stayed with him when she went to Amsterdam on a side trip - also saying her husband Steven knew this and was OK with it as the two were friends.
'Taking care of her,' he said last week. 'Meaning showing my city and being a good friend to her. She had a wonderful time here.'
On his Facebook, the 32-year-old 'checks in' at Amsterdam airport on January 15, which is purportedly when he went to pick up Sarai.
On January 23 - ten days before her body was found, Sarai's sister Christina Jiminez become Facebook friends with him.

Police however, are giving little away as to what they have uncovered in the investigation.

more at the link

[LINK]

Not necessary information, but here is a screen shot of point A - Schiphol Airport, B - Ammer's neighborhood, C - the Train station. The canals and sightseeing area is directly under the word Amsterdam.

ETA - the journey from the airport to the train station is 20 minutes or so.

 

[Yashim]

I didn't mean to imply Turkey was a third-world country, I just intended to give readers other scenarios of why it can be difficult to deal with foreigners who actively strike up friendships- they can often have hidden agendas. This has occured to me in India as well as in Mali, Senegal, Morocco, Namibia, and Indonesia. One learns to be fairly wary of people that strike up aquaintances with you. If not the "come visit my brother's carpet shop" it's the "can't you please take this lovely (cheap) jewelry with you and sell it for me in the US".

My apologies if you feel I was trying to slight Turkey.

No worries. I myself use the term "backward" sometimes.

But Third World is just something else.

Also, I really don't mind any prejudices or stereotypes about Turkey. They don't happen out of nowhere. And there are really many negative things about Turkey. Especially when relevant, they should all be brought up. I really don't mind.

Life would become unbearable if we had to weigh every single word before we say it.

Life is just too short for that.

 

[KuriousKev]

I will do my best to learn those. But, what I can assure you of is simply this: If he was an Intel officer or even a low life asset, you wouldn't have heard about him at all unless LE tied him to murder with definitive and undisputable evidence. Even so, his affiliations would be suppressed and he wouldn't be allowed to reveal them. Besides, knowing people from Intel community, they are not, by regulation, allowed to have social networking accounts, nor would they take the risk of meddling with people over the Internet through IG and Facebook, especially foreigners.

@Tayloo's Identity was revealed in photo as the last person to be with SS, LE couldn't prevent that from happening if they tried, his online communication with SS on the day he was supposed to meet her was already available and made public. He had no choice but come forward, especially after we sleuthers here at WS made is photo public...that is what made him come out of the hole.

Wow we are amazing!

 

[lavy]

So a homeless person was at the scene of the murder when the body was found? Did the cops find the body or did this guy find the body? I can't remember.

Cops found the body. Lots of homeless people living in the area so I don't think it is suprising.

 

[KuriousKev]

If this is a planned thing, it is the most unprofessional of all. If a real professional planned it, LE would never find the body. The perps had a lot of time to get rid of the body. If this staged to look like a random attack by a professional, then we would have never suspected this.


Taylan is the one who suggested they tour the peninsula. If Taylan was in it, he would have never told this to LE. Assuming Taylan's not part of this, this must be a random attack. Noboy knew she was there. If she made calls to ask people to join her, LE would have already found out and arrested someone.


It's only in the CSI shows that the perps make some mistakes so that they can wrap it up in 40 minutes.

:banghead:

I go back to Brandon Lincoln Woodard, that was a planned hit in broad daylight here in NYC Manhattan, some say that was the most unprofessional hit, I say it was a very unprofessional successful hit because the killer still has not been captured. The point and risk...someone wanting to send a message.

 

[Munich]

I do believe it's a subset of her IG friends... but not Tarkan (sorry, CMac!). I just think there were others there -- or contacts of the IG friends that she met once she got there.

But if Ammer is involved, then my head is spinning in circles. He was the initial 'suspect' in many of our minds but we dismissed way back when (at least for me). I still don't know if this article is up-to-date in that regard, or if they are still questioning him.

In the same article it states:

"Aware that he is under the intense scrutiny of both the FBI and the media, he denounced them both on his Instagram site, alongside a picture of two toy pigs placed in an assimilated sex position.
'Media writes, goes home, gets paid, pay bills and don't give a ***** only about some juicy stories with no real or fact checked stories. Police should do their work. If you fart on the planet the FBI is on yo [sic] *advertiser censored* with some satellite *****.' "

 

[delal]

Cops found the body. Lots of homeless people living in the area so I don't think it is suprising.

I agree. Unfortunate for the man though. I wonder if some of the homeless people there have witness information, but aren't fans of the police so have moved to another area/avoided being tracked down. I mean in my experience of that area I've never noticed lots of homeless people but if there are some, perhaps some of them saw something.

 

[Herat]

@Tayloo's Identity was revealed in photo as the last person to be with SS, LE couldn't prevent that from happening if they tried, his online communication with SS on the day he was supposed to meet her was already available and made public. He had no choice but come forward, especially after we sleuthers here at WS made is photo public...that is what made him come out of the hole.

Wow we are amazing!

I believe websleuths found photos of TaylanK, but can you refresh my memory on how he was found to be "the last person with SS".

 

[looking4answers]

Again you are misunderstanding (I've only posted this three times in two pages) that I am saying she was involved with drug dealing knowingly.

I am sorry, there is so much information and disinformation out there on the internet, I usually only read what I find to be relevant nowadays.

I don't think she knew. I think she was a perfect mark because she didn't have a drug history and was a married woman with two kids who was traveling abroad. That's the last person you would think would risk being a drug mule

She stated why she cut her trip short but that doesn't mean it was the real reason. It is very expensive to change travel plans so it should have been a good reason.

I find school and my career advancement to be extremely important to my life. I assume there are others who feel the same way.

Also, you honestly think that because she was involved in her "church" this precludes her from being involved in criminal activity? Have you ever heard of the Mafia by any chance?

LOL

The mafia is a known criminal group, with a "criminal history." There are many people who go to church that are not "good people" i.e. people who abuse kids in church. The outside criminal activity though, is seperate and incriminating on its own, thats what makes the mafia the mafia. Sarai has no criminal history, therefore showing no intent to ever do so.

But I dont' think she was in the Mafia, don't worry.

Neither do I. I don't correlate a known criminal group with someone who lives a life that is one of servitude.

 

[Miziree]

I've been lurking this whole time..I was wondering if organ smuggling has been brought up? In the one of the first reports they thought she was stabbed..could it possibly have been from removal of her kidney? The reason she was killed possibly because she went through with it and was not paid and was threatening to turn them in? Just throwing this out there if it hasn't been talked about..

 

[Herat]

The new information in the article found by Munich is from the Daily Mail UK.

From this we know:

1. There are some true facts in the article.
2. Not all the facts are true.
3. They have a very sensationalist slant and are never shy of printing scandalous headlines to increase viewership, regardless whether these headlines are exactly and only the truth or not.

I'm surprised they also haven't blamed Obama for this. They blame him for everything else.

 

[KuriousKev]

I believe websleuths found photos of TaylanK, but can you refresh my memory on how he was found to be "the last person with SS".

The communications he had with SS regarding the bridge meeting. It came out later that he was the last person with her the night before at the bar. My release timing was off on that.