GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[lavy]

Almost as if they've been reined in and told to stop speculating and publishing leaks!

Guys stop insisting of course I won't tell you that police is bribing media with cookies to keep them quiet.

 

[NewYork625]

He's just smarter than Taylan TK.

He knows that anything online is public. Tearing it down later does no good.

It's not evidence he is an angel. It's evidence he is at least smart enough to keep anything questionable offline.

My guess is that he's up to nothing more sinister than toking up a little and now and then "showing his city" to female internet guests he has lured to "his couch". He's no "tour guide" in any real sense of the word. I think LE should look into his drug contacts to see if SS got mixed up in anything, but my guess is he's guilty of nothing more than smarmy seduction.

If you read the October IG conversations between SS and Ammer (click on individual photos to read full conversations) as well as subsequent conversations and comments that Ammer made only yesterday, I believe you will see as I do that they met because of mutual interests. SS was very flattering towards Ammer's work, and as a result they formed a friendship. I really don't think it was anything more sinister than that.

 

[NewYork625]

Also, my opinion, but Ammer instigates a bit. There's no need for him to delete his IG account, but he could put it to private as some people do. Instead, he's posted offensive images of pigs and commented on LE who are just trying to solve what happened to SS and who was involved.

Innocent people who are being suspected of something they didn't do are often indignant. He showed SS around Amsterdam and was a friend. He's sad and angry she was killed, and may be directing that anger at the police for questioning him and not finding the true killer sooner. JMO

 

[Chewy]

Which side of Cyprus? Just curious.

The Greek side.

 

[ToutCa]

If you read the October IG conversations between SS and Ammer (click on individual photos to read full conversations) as well as subsequent conversations and comments that Ammer made only yesterday, I believe you will see as I do that they met because of mutual interests. SS was very flattering towards Ammer's work, and as a result they formed a friendship. I really don't think it was anything more sinister than that.

It's tricky to assume that the public online exchanges between a man and woman reveal the full truth of their offline relationship. Especially if one is married and one is not. And the married one has never met the unmarried one in person, but travels overseas thousands of miles to crash "on his couch". And describes him to her family as a "tour guide" when he is no such thing.

 

[Yashim]

The Greek side.

That's three too many weeks.

 

[ToutCa]

Innocent people who are being suspected of something they didn't do are often indignant. He showed SS around Amsterdam and was a friend. He's sad and angry she was killed, and may be directing that anger at the police for questioning him and not finding the true killer sooner. JMO

It is possible you are right. But I'm just a more cynical b*st*rd.

I doubt he was just a friend and was more "just a friend" who was just slick and charming enough to present plausible deniability to hubby. JMO, like yours...

 

[ToutCa]

Guys stop insisting of course I won't tell you that police is bribing media with cookies to keep them quiet.

If it was this kind of cookies, which I hear are used at times in Istanbul, we're gonna be in for a loooooooong wait...

(make sure you read both links...)

:rocker:

 

[Chewy]

:::this is unsubstantiated:::

From what I've read many of her injuries are consistent with a fall from a reasonable height, but it doesn't explain everything and like everything in this case only makes more questions.

Initially reports said it was the left side of her head with so much bruising that her face was not recognizable. There was also a nasty chin gash, her wrist(s?) has scratches, there are several broken fingers, and her right hip was severely injured. There is also said to be quite a bit of bruising on her legs. It was said it was "clear" that the head injury was what caused her death, although her entire body had been beaten.

I wondered if being threatened with a knife could do the chin injury, because it's an odd place to be injured (unless falling).

Someone in a previous tread mentioned her potentially being hit by a car, but there would be blood on the pavement.

slight off topic, but a friend of mine fell from a second story window onto concrete. She broke her jaw, shattered her knee, her wrist, and narrowly missed steps. The concrete needed bleached and she didn't have nearly the same blood loss that would come with this massive head injury, so I am thinking the hit by a car theory wouldn't quite fit.

SS's attacker clearly inflicted these wounds and they don't sound like something that only falling would create.

This is interesting. One of the first interpretations I had of the events is that she may have gone walking somewhere and fainted. She had a history of fainting while dehydrated.

I wondered if she had gone walking somewhere and fainted and would be found in an off the path place.

From the looks of where she was found it could be that she was climbing above the "cave" and tripped and fell. Perhaps someone didn't want to get involved, saw that she was dead, stole her bag and clothes and left the ID once they saw she was an American and ran away after covering her with a blanket out of guilt.

Would be weird if all this speculation was completely off tangent and it was just an accident.

 

[ToutCa]

Would be weird if all this speculation was completely off tangent and it was just an accident.

Pretty certain: Autopsy has been done and Turkish LE have called it a murder caused by repeated blows to the head with a blunt object.

Less certain: It has been suggested by the Turkish press tests at the scene allowed the gathering of DNA which belonged to one killer.

 

[Munich]

Pretty certain: Autopsy has been done and Turkish LE have called it a murder caused by repeated blows to the head with a blunt object.

Less certain: It has been suggested by the Turkish press tests at the scene allowed the gathering of DNA which belonged to one killer.

I agree with ToutCa. There have also been reports that this looked "professional". Not sure how that's ascertained when there's evidence and such behind, but even a fall wouldn't create an entire beaten body, including legs.

The head trauma alone seems way more forceful, especially when they referred to it as bludgeoned. I think this is way worse than we know and no accident, especially considering the FBI is involved, too.

 

[english]

Can I just add to the phone/phones debate with this article

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/26/new-york-woman-missing-turkey/1867125/

Rodriguez says Sierra texted, e-mailed or spoke by Skype to at least one person in her family every day during her three-week trip. and Her family has tried calling her cell phone, but it goes straight to voice mail.

Would her American phone go to voicemail if it didn't work in Turkey?

The article also gives a few other points of interest (notice how I've not said fact as I'm not sure how much in print we should believe).

eating the local food, which included delicacies such as sheep's liver I believe ties in with a report I read of TK saying they had drunk tea and eaten korkorec (not quite sheep's liver but still a turkish delicacy).

Sierra's flight from Turkey on United Airlines landed Tuesday night at 4:55 p.m. in Newark, I believe this would mean her probably flying out of Istanbul at around midday on Tuesday.

The last time anyone had talked with her was on Monday at 9:20 a.m., when she spoke with her older sister does this timing make sense?

 

[Munich]

Can I just add to the phone/phones debate with this article

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/26/new-york-woman-missing-turkey/1867125/

Rodriguez says Sierra texted, e-mailed or spoke by Skype to at least one person in her family every day during her three-week trip. and Her family has tried calling her cell phone, but it goes straight to voice mail.

Would her American phone go to voicemail if it didn't work in Turkey?

The article also gives a few other points of interest (notice how I've not said fact as I'm not sure how much in print we should believe).

eating the local food, which included delicacies such as sheep's liver I believe ties in with a report I read of TK saying they had drunk tea and eaten korkorec (not quite sheep's liver but still a turkish delicacy).

Sierra's flight from Turkey on United Airlines landed Tuesday night at 4:55 p.m. in Newark, I believe this would mean her probably flying out of Istanbul at around midday on Tuesday.

The last time anyone had talked with her was on Monday at 9:20 a.m., when she spoke with her older sister does this timing make sense?

The last bit doesn't... there's a 7 hour time difference between NY and IST. That would make it 4:20PM / 16:20 on Monday. Wasn't she already missing then?

 

[ToutCa]

Sierra's flight from Turkey on United Airlines landed Tuesday night at 4:55 p.m. in Newark, I believe this would mean her probably flying out of Istanbul at around midday on Tuesday.

Discussed at length on earlier threads. Opinion divided between two options:
(1) Flight out was later in afternoon/evening of 21st with layover in another city and then she was scheduled on separate flight from there to NYC on 22nd.
(2) Flight out was the @12:30pm departure on 22nd and family info she was leaving on 21st was garbled, misunderstood, or incorrect.

The last time anyone had talked with her was on Monday at 9:20 a.m., when she spoke with her older sister does this timing make sense?

Also discussed at length on earlier threads. The last I heard was she did not speak with her older sister but texted/chatted with her that day. The time was confusing given reports, but I remember it being stated it may have been around 6am NYC-time, when she was on or near Galata Bridge.

 

[Yashim]

Innocent people who are being suspected of something they didn't do are often indignant. He showed SS around Amsterdam and was a friend. He's sad and angry she was killed, and may be directing that anger at the police for questioning him and not finding the true killer sooner. JMO

It may be a psychological thing too.

He may be tormenting himself:

Had he not become friends with SS on the IG or had he not have an IG account, maybe SS would have never made this trip or maybe she would have spent more time in Istanbul. And that tragedy wouldn't have happened. He may be subconsciously blaming himself by thinking he caused that butterfly effect.

Sometimes doctors use the mirror therapy to cure phantom limb pain suffered by patients to make them feel that they still have the amputated limb.

Deleting his IG account may be his way of undoing this chain of events. A vain attempt but for him perhaps the only thing that he can do.

 

[Yashim]

Would her American phone go to voicemail if it didn't work in Turkey?

If you set it so, yes.

When unreachable, go to voice mail.

 

[ToutCa]

B]Her family has tried calling her cell phone, but it goes straight to voice mail.[/B]

Would her American phone go to voicemail if it didn't work in Turkey?

It could do that, yes. Most people wouldn't want to pay the roaming charges or high rates for international plans.

From that statement it's not clear to me which phone they called, or if there was a second "Turkish" phone. Maybe they're just saying they covered all bases trying to reach her?

 

[CMac2]

I was hoping to come back to this case and learn something new!! We're all still chasing our tails, I see.

I can't help but think we're missing something. I think there's something, somewhere we've all just kind of missed/glossed over- and it's making me crazy. :banghead:

 

[ThinkHard]

The Greek side.

Cool, I've been to Cyprus but only to the Turkish side.

 

[english]

I was hoping to come back to this case and learn something new!! We're all still chasing our tails, I see.

I can't help but think we're missing something. I think there's something, somewhere we've all just kind of missed/glossed over- and it's making me crazy. :banghead:

I think Mr Sierra summed it up quite nicely with this sentence “As far as her going from being missing to being murdered,” he said, “certain things are not adding up just yet.”