TX - Active shooter at Allen Shopping Mall, multiple victims, 6 May 2023

[Smelly Squirrel]

The tattoo on his hand is probably just the city of Dallas logo.

 

[Imvp2]

Yeah I forgot about Fuentes. He's easy to forget. Plus, I don't even know if Hispanics consider him one, his mom is white and his dad is half Mexican. I have no idea where he fits but he's definitely a weirdo.

I guess the jury is still out for now anyway, if the Allen Texas murderous monster was also a racist weirdo. I'm guessing no, but stranger things have happened, that's for sure.

Police searching Texas mall shooter’s home where he lived with parents: report

Hours after a gunman killed eight people and wounded seven others before he was shot and killed by police at a mall in Allen, Tex., authorities descended on a residence in Dallas, where multiple so…

nypost.com

Apparently the shooter's family requested a translator when talking with the FBI

 

[NuttMegg]

Police searching Texas mall shooter’s home where he lived with parents: report

Hours after a gunman killed eight people and wounded seven others before he was shot and killed by police at a mall in Allen, Tex., authorities descended on a residence in Dallas, where multiple so…

nypost.com

Apparently the shooter's family requested a translator when talking with the FBI

I'd have insisted on a translator too. Can you imagine their terror if suddenly confronted by police of all kinds in their house. I haven't seen details yet, but I kind of doubt that one very polite LE member hesitantly tapped on their door with hat in hand so to speak. imo

I'm hoping they knew nothing, apparently, iirc, he hasn't even lived with them for years(?).

 

[MyBelle]

I'd have insisted on a translator too. Can you imagine their terror if suddenly confronted by police of all kinds in their house. I haven't seen details yet, but I kind of doubt that one very polite LE member hesitantly tapped on their door with hat in hand so to speak. imo

I'm hoping they knew nothing.

I doubt the parents knew nothing. Their son lived in their home until recently. They most certainly would have known if he was displaying Red Flags showing mental instability, depression, money problems, extremist views, racism, etc.

JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

I doubt the parents knew nothing. Their son lived in their home until recently. They most certainly would have known if he was displaying Red Flags showing mental instability, depression, money problems, extremist views, racism, etc.

JMO

I meant "knew nothing" about the war weapon(s). But if he was a security guard he probably had his own weapons anyway, unremarkably. Thanks for the correction, I was thinking that he hadn't lived there for a few years, I must have confused years/ months. Regarding the rest of his possible attitudes, ailments, most of that list seems pretty common these days. What parents or family would red flag their own family member unless he was violent.

 

[steeltowngirl]

All first responders can do is pick up the bodies because the assault rifles are so fast. In less than a minute, victims were obliterated.

You can see the footage of the shooter getting out of his car and opening fire; you will not see the bodies in this video. Video is easy to find on Twitter.

This situation would have been ten times worse if the off-duty police officer hadn’t been there. And the gunman had on a flak jacket or similar so the cop had to take him down with a head shot.

I believe a mall security person was injured—don’t know if he was one of the deceased. JMO

From the footage, it looks like two vehicles had a chance to drive into the shooter as he exited his vehicle. Especially the black truck. I am surprised that neither driver tried.

Video shows Texas mall shooter get out of car, open fire on shoppers

A person, dressed in all black, steps out from the driver’s seat with a gun and immediately begins shooting at people outside of the shops from behind the car door, video shows.

nypost.com

 

[MyBelle]

I meant "knew nothing" about the war weapon(s). But if he was a security guard he probably had his own weapons anyway, unremarkably. Thanks for the correction, I was thinking that he hadn't lived there for a few years, I must have confused years/ months. Regarding the rest of his possible attitudes, ailments, most of that list seems pretty common these days. What parents or family would red flag their own family member unless he was violent.

I most certainly would Red Flag my family member if they were acting erratically or threatening to harm himself, me or other family members. It is also irrelevant because Texas has no Red Flag law.

The Allen shooter was on social media spewing his hate. I doubt he refrained from spewing it at home when he lived with his parents. I'm wondering if this shooter was involved with Mexican drug and gun cartels. Mexico has complained how easily guns are purchased in Texas and brought back into Mexico. And, for whatever reason, LE has not said if the gun used in the Allen mass shooting was purchased legally.

<modsnip>

 

[Kaley Smith]

Amazing in mass shooting incidents that so many place the blame on the gun. Seven people were mowed down yesterday (killed) in Brownsville TX by a driver in a car. I may have missed it, but I have seen no mention on banning that type of car because of the unlawful actions of an an individual.

The type of gun used made a huge difference to the victims in this shooting. Why semi-automatic rifles like those used in recent shootings can cause so much damage

 

[Kaley Smith]

Former Army officer and witness to Texas mall shooting who calls himself a 'gun lover' says mental health isn't the problem: 'We need more gun control'

"Prayers and condolences won't bring these people back. We need some action," said Steven Spainhouer, who rushed to the scene of the shooting.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[gitana1]

The amount of mass shootings is defintely more than when I was younger. Is it the availability of weapons? I really do not know when being a mass shooter became a goal of so many. People blame mental health and the media, but some how people just did not do this routinely 20 yrs ago, IMO.

After Columbine it became a notoriety thing. Popularized. I mean that was one of the first mass shootings heavily covered by 24 hour news stations like CNN, IIRC. Tons of copycats since then, I think.

 

[MrsWatson]

What we know about the slain Texas mall massacre suspect, Mauricio Garcia

Garcia, who had a tactical vest, was armed with a rifle and a handgun, a senior law enforcement official said. Authorities said he was a suspected neo-Nazi sympathizer.

www.nbcnews.com

The gunman who killed at least eight people and wounded a half-dozen more at a Dallas-area outlet mall was a 33-year-old suspected neo-Nazi sympathizer, two senior law enforcement officials said Sunday.
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Police and the Texas Rangers, working with the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, are investigating the shooting as a case of racial or ethnically motivated violent extremism, two senior law enforcement officials said.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

From what I've read, he was a security guard and unlike most mass shooters, ran from his car and started shooting at a specific group of people and primarily at one store. And one of his victims was a security guard. If all of that turns out to be true, I suspect they have to consider that he had an intended target, or that it could have been a workplace shooting. They don't know anymore than we do when they first arrive.

I was talking about the wording, calling it a mass attack rather than a mass shooting. Not about the intended targets.

 

[AngTxGal]

Something is very different about this shooting. The officials in Texas are trying to minimize the information. They would not use the word gun or shooting at the presser. We still have no names of victims or shooter. Normally these are splashed across the internet by now. The only thing we keep hearing is praise for the cop who shot the shooter and prayers of course.

eta: name just published in that tweet above this, but the officials are not the ones giving this out, which makes me still very suspicious about how they are trying to minimize this event and divert attention away from another brutal mass shooting.

LE and officials appear to the trying to minimize the chance of a copycat.
It is May and schools are having Field Days and awards ceremonies, it is approaching the one year mark.
Somewhere in Texas there may be a madman planning something to top Uvalde. That madman will be looking to see how famous this guy gets.


JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

"Investigators have also uncovered the gunman's extensive social media presence, the law enforcement source tells CNN. It includes neo-Nazi and White supremacist-related posts, and images that authorities believe he shared online, according to the official."

Live updates: Allen, Texas, shooting at outlet mall leaves at least 8 dead

Eight people were killed and at least seven others wounded when a gunman opened fire at an Allen, Texas, outlet mall Saturday afternoon. Follow for live updates.

www.cnn.com

I also read an article that says although the shooter made all these posts no one had liked any of them or replied to any of them.

Of the victims, I believe one was a mall security guard and he was caucasian.
Family confirms security guard Christian LaCour as victim of Allen outlet mall shooting

The shooter pulled into the parking lot in front of the H&M store. He didn't park his car, just put it in park and started firing at whoever was on the sidewalk and then was walking along the sidewalk, firing at others as he walked.

Source: Investigators examine ideology of Texas gunman

The assailant who killed eight people at a Texas outlet mall has been identified by authorities as a 33-year-old man who had been staying at a nearby motel. Three law enforcement officials who spoke to The Associated Press named the gunman as Mauricio Garcia, who was fatally shot by a police...

apnews.com

Here is the map of Allen Premium Outlets showing where the H&M store is located. The shooter literally was pulled up beside the last two parking places in front of the front door of the store:

Center Map for Allen Premium Outlets®

View an interactive map of Allen Premium Outlets®

www.premiumoutlets.com

It would be prudent for malls and schools and other soft targets with online maps and images to take them down.

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

<modsnip - quoted post was general gun control discussion>

This could have been predicted, local reports are saying he served in the military and was discharged due to mental illness.
He should not have been a security guard with access to any gun, esp a AR15 and ammo.
Other reports are saying his car and motel room housed many guns and much more ammo.
Some reports say his brother also lives at the hotel.

Someone knew…
He was mentally unstable
former military
radicalized toward the far right
arming up for something
There will likely be social media posts with threats and predictions.
Sunday update local news
Be warned of video sights and sounds

JMO-
If you know someone unstable with guns- call the cops, call the ATF, get them committed for eval.
I don’t know what the answer is- but schools all over the nation should not be missing that it is May and we are approaching the one year anniversary of Uvalde.

 

[Imvp2]

I'd have insisted on a translator too. Can you imagine their terror if suddenly confronted by police of all kinds in their house. I haven't seen details yet, but I kind of doubt that one very polite LE member hesitantly tapped on their door with hat in hand so to speak. imo

I'm hoping they knew nothing, apparently, iirc, he hasn't even lived with them for years(?).

"Neighbors told WFAA that the man was in his 30s and had lived there for as long as they could remember.". Quote from the newspaper article I sited. So it seems the shooter did in fact live with his parents, who requested a translator when talking with the FBI

 

[Vern]

From your link:

"Also, the law enforcement officials said, Garcia had several social media accounts and appeared to be drawn to neo-Nazi and white supremacist content. He was also wearing, when he was killed, a patch on his chest with a right-wing acronym."

ETA: His family needed a translator but he's a white supremacist??

Language has no bearing on racism; think of Germany back in the day. Whites around the world don’t just speak English.

 

[Vern]

It's pretty much always mental health, isn't it? We have a real mental health issue in our country right now.

And a real gun issue too; the two do NOT mix well.

 

[steeltowngirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655412070760808448

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Though authorities in Allen have yet to publicly announce a motive for the gunman – identified by law enforcement as Mauricio Garcia – investigators are considering whether he may have been driven by right-wing extremism, a senior law enforcement source familiar with the investigation tells CNN.

Investigators have unearthed an extensive social media presence, including neo-Nazi and White supremacist-related posts and images that authorities believe Garcia shared online, according to the source.

Among the eight killed was Christian LaCour, a 20-year-old mall security guard, whose sister Brianna Smith described as “a sweet, caring young man who was loved greatly by our family.

Garcia had been living in some form of transient lodging, according to the law enforcement source. The Dallas Morning News reported the suspect had been staying in an extended stay hotel in Dallas.

Steven Spainhouer rushed to the scene after receiving a call from his son, who works at the H&M and had taken shelter in a break room. When he arrived in the parking lot outside the store, he “started counting the bodies on the ground … one, two, three, five, six, seven bodies.”

“The first girl I walked up to … I felt for a pulse, pulled her head to the side, and she had no face,” Spainhouer told CNN on Sunday.

“I saw moms and dads covering the eyes of their kids in tears, kids holding their hands up, people running for their lives,” he said.

He found a surviving child whose mother had been struck and killed as she shielded him from bullets, Spainhouer told CNN affiliate KTVT.

“When I rolled the mother over, he came out,” Spainhouer told the affiliate. “He was covered from head to toe, like somebody had poured blood on him.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/us/allen-texas-mall-shooting-gunman-monday/index.html