GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #5

[cluciano63]

But if they know how she died, why is the most complicated case ever, or whatever he said? Why say that anyway? It is not like they have to announce COD ever, before a trial. So they could just say they are not releasing it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why narcissists? Usually I see the general term sociopath being used. Is there something specific about narcissists and murder or child abduction/murder? I'm just not familiar with this correlation.

All psychopaths and most sociopaths are narcissistic. Goes hand in hand. IMO

 

[jjenny]

Hi Clu. I'm with Cherie. I think ME does know but isn't telling right now.

Earlier today there was a male reporter that said that the ME stated that she didn't die from gunshot, stabbing, or strangulation. He went on to say that the ME didn't know how she died.

My interpretation: The reporter called the ME office to get a statement or went by there...was not given the info on the COD and so he asked...was she shot? was she stabbed? was she strangled?...etc.

I do think that they know how she died but will wait until all the test results are back before they release the COD. Just my speculation and opinion though.

Suffocation is possible cause of death that might not be obvious from an autopsy.
If she was gagged, bag put on a head, etc, she could have easily suffocated.

 

[Salem]

Creeps stage their victims' crime scenes to try to avoid detection. Hit-and-run victims' scenes are commonly staged. Here is one example where the creep threw the victim's body into the back of a medical examiner's van.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/city_trashes_body_PIMQpVyZDA5KR2qp4vEbhP

Pensfan - the medical examiner is the one that put the body in the ME's van with the trash. NOT the perp. ME is now very embarrassed for showing such a lack of respect for a crime victim

Salem

 

[Linda7NJ]

But if they know how she died, why is the most complicated case ever, or whatever he said? Why say that anyway? It is not like they have to announce COD ever, before a trial. So they could just say they are not releasing it.

Edited...

 

[fred&edna]

So they put up a bag on the head, took clothes off, and taped it up?

Could be. I just started thinking about the possibility when we were talking about fluids a few pages back.

 

[blue22]

All psychopaths and most sociopaths are narcissistic. Goes hand in hand. IMO

Yes, but not all narcissists are sociopaths or psychopaths. At least, that's why I mentioned them separately.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, but not all narcissists are sociopaths or psychopaths. At least, that's why I mentioned them separately.

I think when there's a dead baby, hands and feet bound, wrapped and belted into a tarp with a bag on the head.... It's a narcissistic act, especially if the body was dumped there purposefully.

Where's our expert? Pensfan .. Pensfan!!! Youuu whoooo... Where are you?

 

[Pensfan]

Pensfan - the medical examiner is the one that put the body in the ME's van with the trash. NOT the perp. ME is now very embarrassed for showing such a lack of respect for a crime victim

Salem

OH! I'm going back to read and not scan that article now. lol :blushing:

I still stand by my statement that creeps can hide their involvements in accidents. There are numerous hit-and-runs every summer where I live. Several of the crime scenes have appeared to have been staged (bike thrown far into the weeds, body too far off road as if someone pushed it there, bike is missing parts, and etc...)

 

[Pensfan]

I think when there's a dead baby, hands and feet bound, wrapped and belted into a tarp with a bag on the head.... It's a narcissistic act, especially if the body was dumped there purposefully.

Where's our expert? Pensfan .. Pensfan!!! Youuu whoooo... Where are you?

Hmmm...semantics. Narcissist and narcissistic act are not the same thing, but yeah, an act of dumping a dead body purposefully to divert attention from oneself would be a narcissistic act.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I tried to educate myself on Wikipedia, but it seems like every time I think I have a handle on one of the major personality disorders, the official diagnostic criteria changes.

 

[Anna Morphic]

Unless the person around when the child died accidentally...had or did something worse at some point (or currently), they don't want LE to find out about. A wild goose chase for a murderer would lead LE from an accidental death. Even accidental deaths are fully investigated, and things can be found. Plenty of people have scary skeletons. Just a thought, not saying that's likely...just a scenario that popped into my mind.

This actually makes a lot of sense, like if for instance they had a pot growing room in their house, and a kid was killed there in an accident, they might not want to call the cops. But who knows? This case is so weird.
Edit: by "makes sense," I'm not condoning criminal activity.

 

[fred&edna]

My scenario was just that, a scenario. Because there's only a small amount of information we make assumptions... and I think it's interesting to know what we use (past cases, psychology, whatever) as a basis for these assumptions. I'm not convinced of anything except that an innocent child died and we all want to know why.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I tried to educate myself on Wikipedia, but it seems like every time I think I have a handle on one of the major personality disorders, the official diagnostic criteria changes.

lol I hear ya!

DSM 5 = new ways to bill insurance companies IMO

 

[blue22]

I think when there's a dead baby, hands and feet bound, wrapped and belted into a tarp with a bag on the head.... It's a narcissistic act, especially if the body was dumped there purposefully.

Where's our expert? Pensfan .. Pensfan!!! Youuu whoooo... Where are you?

Oh, I certainly agree! Someone had just mentioned psychopath and sociopath go hand in hand with narcissism. I just threw out there, that you can be a narcissist and not be either of the other two. But, yes...I totally agree that it was narcissistic.

I have a feeling a mod is going to tell us to get back on topic soon

 

[CHERIE.T]

You got me Cherie but to be honest I'm wagering that this one is going to either turn out to either be a 1. Oh lord not another case like "fillintheblank". or 2. You gotta be kidding me! Who would ever think to do such a thing!

Kat, that scares me even more. :seeya:

 

[jjenny]

OH! I'm going back to read and not scan that article now. lol :blushing:

I still stand by my statement that creeps can hide their involvements in accidents. There are numerous hit-and-runs every summer where I live. Several of the crime scenes have appeared to have been staged (bike thrown far into the weeds, body too far off road as if someone pushed it there, bike is missing parts, and etc...)

But they don't undress the victims, put bags over their had, tape them up and tarp them up.

 

[Pensfan]

This actually makes a lot of sense, like if for instance they had a pot growing room in their house, and a kid was killed there in an accident, they might not want to call the cops. But who knows? This case is so weird.
Edit: by "makes sense," I'm not condoning criminal activity.

Parents who have children that die from accidents have to worry about CPS "taking" their other children.

 

[jjenny]

Parents who have children that die from accidents have to worry about CPS "taking" their other children.

So do parents whose child was abducted/murdered by someone. So staging an accident as murder is not going to achieve anything.

 

[GingerzMomma]

Hi Clu. I'm with Cherie. I think ME does know but isn't telling right now.

Earlier today there was a male reporter that said that the ME stated that she didn't die from gunshot, stabbing, or strangulation. He went on to say that the ME didn't know how she died.

My interpretation: The reporter called the ME office to get a statement or went by there...was not given the info on the COD and so he asked...was she shot? was she stabbed? was she strangled?...etc.

I do think that they know how she died but will wait until all the test results are back before they release the COD. Just my speculation and opinion though.

I would be willing to bet that neither anyone @ ME office (PR, etc) and particularly not the actual pathologist/ME doing the autopsy took a phone call and answered questions from the MSM. That has to come from a released (post-attorney review, of course) statement. Please anyone, don't hesitate to correct me if this has happened in the past......but I just can't see that happening, esp in a case like this.

Not trying to be contrary, I just don't think there was opportunity for Q&A session w/ path signing out the case.

That said, they may well be withholding info.