GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #5

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From that geographic information on killers site listed above, they , too, say that it is important to know the time it happened,

Since we have a general frame of time around 4-6( can we refer to the scanner thread ?)
, I asked the question of locals but got no response.

So, trying again. How many homes per block or what is the measurement used there? And what time do people arrive in the hood from work?

Where I live, the roads are crowded starting around 4 and the most traffic is at 5. But what it is there?
 
From the article:

FBI agents have collected hair samples from several neighbors who live in the area where Gallagher’s body was found. In addition to the red pick up police say is connected to the case, investigators are asking about a dark-colored mini-van.

“We are going to stand strong until they catch them,” said Crawford.

Listen to the video, it says that neighbors near her home were the ones having hair samples taken. Unless they were being taken from both locations.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/vigil-held-in-memory-of-alanna-gallagher/
 
About 1.8 mi (driving distance) from AG's home, 1.5 from her dump site...has to be related?

Seems awfully coincidental, if not. The scanner is very quiet. The DFWScanner Facebook page just redirects me back to the home page. So frustrating.
 
Seems awfully coincidental, if not. The scanner is very quiet. The DFWScanner Facebook page just redirects me back to the home page. So frustrating.

(I hate Facebook for this stuff, the lack of direct links is ridiculous.)
 
The one significant difference in this case (IF Alanna was intentionally placed at the curb) is that Sandra's killer tried to conceal her corpse to keep it from being discovered.

But deep down, IMO, she really wanted LE to find Sandra (as part of the thrill for Melissa), as she made a point to report her missing suitcase to the investigating police and then 'stumble upon' a note telling where the child in a suitcase is.

I'd never heard of the case until I started following the Jorelys Rivera/Ryan Brunn case and a Websleuther here (can't remember who!) told me about Cantu/Huckaby and I read the threads. They were similar in the child abduction/muder/dispose....'gosh, I can't stop myself, I think I need to insert myself in the investigation...I'll write a note!' Brunn didn't hand the note to police officers but he did, IIRC, leave a note at the dumpster where he put her. He also got (as the helpful handyman at the apartment complex) a picture of Jorelys from her mother and helped to distribute copies of it around the complex.

Anyway, I brought her up yesterday because, IMO, Alanna may have been partially redressed, which made me think if Huckaby and her redressing/neatly packing sweet Sandra.

And both Huckaby and Brunn threw away (ostensibly to conceal) their victims but were actually so antsy for their victims to be found, they inserted themselves into the investigation. So they only, IMO, temporarily conceal the victim.

So, while this case may be nothing like either of those cases, I keep wondering...

1)If they didn't mean for the body to fall into the street, would they have hidden her and then inserted themselves into the investigation (we'll never know!)

2)Did they dump her with evidence as a sort of short cut to the thrill that Huckaby/Brunn sought--they wanted to watch the drama unfold without the dreaded wait for the body to be found.

3)Is the perp female, thus a partially redressed victim.

So here's what else I'm wondering...

Brunn was a maintenance worker who didn't really 'know' Jorelys, but knew she was always unattended by an adult. And Jorelys would have been very used to seeing him around the complex, waving 'hello there!' to her for several weeks. To her, not a stranger. He steals one of her roller skates from outside her apartment door, takes a pic on his phone of it, hides it. Approaches her when she's alone at the playground, she thinks she knows him cause he works there. He shows her a pic of the skate he's 'found', is it yours? Well, come with me and we'll go get it!

Huckaby, IIRC, also lived in the same neighborhood, and may have been a familiar face to Cantu. Not a friend, but not a stranger. Cantu was out playing...

What about a note? (Huckaby, Brunn both felt compelled to write them.) First item on the list of things taken from the home of Alanna, "Smiley face memo". Was a pre written note on torn off note paper found with Alanna?

So I'm currently (just speaking for today!) leaning that it's someone Alanna vaguely knows by sight/or semi knows as a neighbor/or from some perimeter of her life/ and would let her guard down around. I also wonder if it's someone who met her at church camp--and got involved in the church camp/kids camp activities in order to find a victim.

Sorry so long winded, just wanted to share my thoughts! :seeya:

ETA: Thoughts about possible note left with body.
 
I'm wondering more about a frequent ice cream truck driver ( sorry to all u innocent ice cream dudes :) ) who sees all the kids in a neighborhood frequently..and yet draws very little CONCERN from parents. Maybe he came back in his own vehicle after scoping the area for a target.

I've lived here for nearly 3 decades, and haven't seen an ice cream truck in 15 years. Another sleuther (I think a few pages back) also said ice cream trucks are not the norm in Saginaw. I think parents and folks in the neighborhood would not forget an ice cream truck, and tell police right away about a random ice cream truck driving though recently. JMO.
 
Listen to the video, it says that neighbors near her home were the ones having hair samples taken. Unless they were being taken from both locations.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/vigil-held-in-memory-of-alanna-gallagher/

From that geographic information on killers site listed above, they , too, say that it is important to know the time it happened,

Since we have a general frame of time around 4-6( can we refer to the scanner thread ?)
, I asked the question of locals but got no response.

So, trying again. How many homes per block or what is the measurement used there? And what time do people arrive in the hood from work?

Where I live, the roads are crowded starting around 4 and the most traffic is at 5. But what it is there?


Here I go ASSUMING...but assuming that she was not missing and passed away for a great length of time prior to being found...I'm ASSUMING that she was killed just shortly before being found.

The distance from her home and the SPEED with which she was taken and killed just screams to me sadistic child killer.

This, (In my humble opinion and absolutely I could be wrong because I'm not there and don't have all the information in front of me)...but from the on set just looking at this,

This is someone, (or TWO people) who really had built up a anticipation for what was about to happen.

She was taken, the deed was done, ( I call it the 'release') and then SOMETHING I don't know what and we may never know, spooked them and they dumped her. Quickly and slyly.
 
Not the first time I heard molester claiming that the child was the one enticing him, etc. I think they might actually be delusional enough to believe that.


BBM

OH THEY ARE.

But often times this is a completely different kind of child molester/killer.
 
There are a couple of others cases of kids found in/next to the street.
They just didn't get as much publicity.

Most were just "tossed out" so where they landed was not a conscious choice.


Tennielle Big Day was found dead on a highway
Mom had pushed her out of the vehicle.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192601&highlight=hit+car



Alijah was left on the side of the road, by his father

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Trav...ce-for-slaying-3-month-old-son-130360933.html



Baby Crystal was found just off the road, Mom put her there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87834&highlight=katie+stockton



Baby Boy Horry also found on the side of the road, left by a parent it's assumed (unidentified)

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=832393#.Ud-5Mm2AxLw

I want to add one to your list if that's okay:

Tennielle Big Day was found dead on a highway
Mom had pushed her out of the vehicle.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192601&highlight=hit+car

Alijah was left on the side of the road, by his father

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Trav...ce-for-slaying-3-month-old-son-130360933.html

Baby Crystal was found just off the road, Mom put her there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87834&highlight=katie+stockton

Baby Boy Horry also found on the side of the road, left by a parent it's assumed (unidentified)

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=832393#.Ud-5Mm2AxLw

Camden Pierce Hughes found dumped on road, covered with a blanket. Mom put him there.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/maine-myst...al-road-abound/story?id=13613147#.UeAsmW1f_0Q
 
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/v...nna-gallagher/

I just watched this video...frustrating we have all this instant information at our hands for the first time in human history but the sad part is you have to really sift through it.

The Crawford woman was the one that said, "Them" I had mistakenly thought this came from LE which in my mind would have been HUGELY significant.

So now, I'm headed right back to what was binding her hands and feet. They are now looking for a dark colored mini-van.

Carpet samples would give them this information OR a surveillance camera footage...

Again, reinforces my two person theory, one driving and the other opening the door and dumping her out at the intersection.

WOW I hope they solve this soon.

(and by now it's so obvious that the FBI has more than they are letting on).
 
I wonder what the vehicles are there....dark minivan? Red truck?
What time is it there?

It's 11:43 CDT. Noon news will be shortly. I've got a live feed for news up to see if they mention whatever is happening.
 
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