GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #5

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bessie said:
What Walmart bag?

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/03/4980912/911-call-i-think-its-a-little.html

As for "red tape", if we're going to believe that statement, then we also must believe the "witnesses" who said Alanna was found in a garbage bag, not a Walmart bag. Since the "witnesses" are not identified, I question the entire statement.
Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22799...iological-father-talks-publicly#ixzz2YuaEkFAx

What plastic bag over her head?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-6-dead-tarp-Saginaw-Texas.html#ixzz2YueHJl5q

One bag.

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Investigators are still trying to track down the person who stripped Alanna naked, bound her hands and feet, put a plastic bag over her head and ditched her beneath a tarp in the street.
Alanna's body was found wrapped in a tarp a mile and a half from her home in Saginaw, Texas, on Monday night. She her hands and feet were bound, she had a plastic bag over her head and she was naked except for a pair of purple underwear.
Witnesses who discovered Alanna’s body have said she was bound and that her body was wrapped in a tarp with a belt. Her head was also covered with a bag, they said. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20130708-in-saginaw-more-questions-but-no-answers-in-girls-slaying.ece



Investigators are trying to trace the last hours of a girl whose body was found in a trash bag near her home in Saginaw, Texas, police said Wednesday.

I think the above combined with the search warrant for both plastic bags and specifically garbage bags is what made me think she was in a trash bag, with a plastic bag over her head then wrapped in a tarp.

As for the red tape, numerous MSM articles state that as well. Since red tape was specifically seized or searched by LE, I tend to think that report is accurate:
The search warrant identified the girl’s home as a “suspected place.” A list of the items they sought included: a Walmart receipt, trash bags, men’s clothing size 38-46 to include (but was not limited to) a man’s belt, size 38-44, red duct tape, Walmart plastic bags, and packaging.http://www.examiner.com/article/new-leads-on-the-alanna-gallagher-murder-case
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But it looks like she may have only been wrapped in a tarp with a plastic bag over her head. No extra garbage bag.
 
Pensfan said:
Oh, lawdy. I forgot or mentally blocked about Caylee's blanket. This makes me angry all over again to think about that.
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Didn't mean to bring up bad memories......I feel the same way though.
 
"We have a dead body on the corner."

"I think it's a little girl in a plastic bag."

"It's in a bag and everything."

It's in a bag. It was tarped up"

"It's a black trash bag."
 
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/0...girl-found-in-saginaw.html#storylink=misearch
Jul. 02, 2013

Neighbors told local TV news reporters that the girl was found naked, with her hands and feet bound and a bag over her head. A plastic bag was found under the tarp, police said, but declined to provide other details.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/0...-i-think-its-a-little.html#storylink=misearch

Jul. 03, 2013
According to an FBI evidence receipt photographed by KXAS/Channel 5, agents took a blue-gray tarp, electrical tape and Wal-Mart plastic bags from a vehicle registered to Alanna’s parents. The receipt was seen in a vehicle parked on the street in front of Alanna’s house, according to NBCDFW.com.

bbm
 
I'll take the word of the original finder too.

He sounds like he is describing a little girl in a black plastic trash bag, hair sticking out the top, then wrapped in a tarp. Taped and belted too, sounds like around the bag not the tarp but that's a guess.

The "walmart bag" came from the list of items taken from the family's car, and the 911 operator also asking about one specifically.


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SapphireSteel said:
I'll take the word of the original finder too.

He sounds like he is describing a little girl in a black plastic trash bag, hair sticking out the top, then wrapped in a tarp. Taped and belted too, sounds like around the bag not the tarp but that's a guess.

The "walmart bag" came from the list of items taken from the family's car, and the 911 operator also asking about one specifically.


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Here is what the older boy said to reporters:

[after the boys lifted the tarp...]
"“At first, I just thought it was some rubber stuff at first, and then I got a closer look and all I saw was a bag and I saw some hair sticking out and so, I was like, ‘Oh my God! It’s a girl!’ And that’s when I dropped to my knees and just started crying,” said 18-year-old John Smith."

From:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Ne...erneath-Tarp-on-Saginaw-Street-213959331.html

This quote has always confused me a bit. Alanna's hair is quite short and doesn't seem to be particularly girlish to me.
 
Question for more experienced sleuthers...

On the assumption that the Opal and Allana cases were connected, would there be a way of discovering whether one of the RSOs lived in the area 14 years ago and lives there now but with a sizeable hiatus in the middle (possibly due to a jail term)? So, basically looking for an RSO who moved into the area in recent years, but it turned out was also in the area 14 years ago (possibly prior to being registered as an RSO).
 
bessie said:
As for "red tape", if we're going to believe that statement, then we also must believe the "witnesses" who said Alanna was found in a garbage bag, not a Walmart bag. Since the "witnesses" are not identified, I question the entire statement.
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I posted this pretty far upthread, but there is witness (John Smith) confirmation of the red tape in the video at this link at about 2:55. He also mentions a black trash bag. This particular snippet was never quoted in MSM in text, so when searching for red tape, you only find indirect references to it. He says the trash bag was over the head and he gestures around his neck saying "and then there was red tape around the bag, like it was sealed."

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22738162/childs-body-found-in-saginaw#ixzz2Y2jEjMRR

I don't recall seeing any first hand accounts of a walmart bag. Looking at the list of seized items, the line item with the walmart bags at first had the word receipts then crossed out (and initialed) then plastic bags.

This makes me think that the line item may have been about establishing the purchase of supplies.

ETA: Just reviewed the 911 call... it's the Operator who says (something like) "Is it like a small... like a Walmart bag or like a paper bag?" And the caller answers "It's a black trash bag."

At about 0:59 in
Alanna Gallagher, 6, Murder: 911 Call to report her body has been found. - YouTube

ETA: The search warrant does explicitly state that they are looking for "A Wal-mart receipt, red duct tape and packaging, Wal-mart plastic bags, trash bags..."

Found at:
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf
 
They took so many walmart bags from the home, I think it's reasonable there was a walmart bag at the ' scene' . I swear I saw that there was one at the scene but since you guys just posted all of the links and it doesn't show it, I guess I was wrong. Seasoned WS'ers... let's speculate there was a bag at the scene. If they take all the bags from inside the home , can they match them up and include or exclude the one fromt he scene? I know they do that with other items. When you get this roll or stack of walmart bags and they're all connected at the top and they hang on the little hooks to put your groceries in and you take hom 8 bags full of stuff, is there a way to tell you have a sequence? And if number 5 was missing, you would know number 5 is at the scene and number 4 and 6 are from the house because of the way they tore away from each other at top? OH rambling, so sorry and TIA
 
SCHMAE said:
They took so many walmart bags from the home, I think it's reasonable there was a walmart bag at the ' scene' . I swear I saw that there was one at the scene but since you guys just posted all of the links and it doesn't show it, I guess I was wrong. Seasoned WS'ers... let's speculate there was a bag at the scene. If they take all the bags from inside the home , can they match them up and include or exclude the one fromt he scene? I know they do that with other items. When you get this roll or stack of walmart bags and they're all connected at the top and they hang on the little hooks to put your groceries in and you take hom 8 bags full of stuff, is there a way to tell you have a sequence? And if number 5 was missing, you would know number 5 is at the scene and number 4 and 6 are from the house because of the way they tore away from each other at top? OH rambling, so sorry and TIA
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I don't know anything about an explicit way of identifying the batch, but I know from experience that sometimes it's obvious from the way the bags get mounted on the dispenser handle that a set of bags was together. Sometimes (not always) the handles all get a bit twisted or torn and sometimes the pop out tab sticks to all of them, and sometimes there seems to be extra plastic for some reason, etc. (I'm not a cashier or bagger; this is just something I've noticed.)
 
bessie said:
"We have a dead body on the corner."

"I think it's a little girl in a plastic bag."

"It's in a bag and everything."

It's in a bag. It was tarped up"

"It's a black trash bag."
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Those comments were from the first 911 call.

Please watch the mom's interviews again. They are on several news' sites. Mom told her son to go out and "get that trash bag". When the dad quickly called 911, he called the tarp a trash bag. The tarp was definitely in the street with Alanna, but Dad didn't mention the tarp because Dad was referring to the tarp as "that trash bag" which his wife wanted removed from the street.
 
The tarp looks like a big blackish trash bag. Before it was unwrapped (when it was compacted more tightly), it would have resembled a black trash bag even more than this photo.


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IBsleuthin said:
This is from that same article from; forensic psychologist Dr. Stephanie Stolinsky;


"Whenever you hide someone's face, it means that you don't want to see them as a human being. You want to pretend that they're just an object".[11]
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depersonalization

Killers who experienced shame sometimes cover the face of their victims, turn the head away, roll the body over so they don't have to look at the face, or put a cloth or bag over the face to hide it.
 
Pensfan said:
Please watch the mom's interviews again. Mom told her son to go out and "get that trash bag". When the dad quickly called 911, he called the tarp a trash bag. The tarp was definitely in the street with Alanna, but Dad didn't mention the tarp because Dad was referring to the tarp as "that trash bag" which his wife wanted removed from the street.
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That's exactly what I assumed too, he referred to the tarp as a black trashbag
 
Pensfan said:
depersonalization

Killers who experienced shame sometimes cover the face of their victims, turn the head away, roll the body over so they don't have to look at the face, or put a cloth or bag over the face to hide it.
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Or the bag could have used to kill her via suffocation.
 
dandan08 said:
That's exactly what I assumed too, he referred to the tarp as a black trashbag
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If you listen to the 911 call (from the father) or the video interview with JS, they both claim that there was trash bag (I reference these resources a few posts upthread). The father in the 911 call only mentions the tarp in passing, IIRC ("tarped up") but is explicit about the trash bag. IIRC, one of the other interviews mentions lifting the tarp and seeing a bag underneath but I will need to find that.

ETA: So far, all the "lifted the tarp" references I can find are reported by MSM but not direct first-hand accounts.

Here's a reference that is not quite explicit, but inclines me to think it was identified as a tarp (not a trash bag) from the start:

"The girl's body was found about 7.30pm on Monday by 14-year-old Owen Whiddon, who was riding his scooter through his neighborhood in Saginaw - about a mile and a half from where the girl lived.

He said he saw a tarp in the middle of an intersection, tightly rapped (sic) with a belt.

'I said, "Well, let’s pick it up, let’s put it in the trash can," you know, because we’re a clean community,' he told the Morning News."
From:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354825/Alanna-Gallagher-6-dead-tarp-Saginaw-Texas.html

The upshot is that I think the witnesses knew there was a tarp and when they looked underneath/inside the tarp, they saw a trash bag.
 
Donjeta said:
JMO but I don't think that a plastic bag has to be completely airtight to cause suffocation, it just has to obstruct the airways or to accumulate just enough carbon dioxide inside to cause asphyxia.
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A healthy body will compensate for a limited excess of CO2 by increasing the respiration rate. Google acid-base imbalance.

I don't think Alanna suffocated in a Walmart bag because (in my experience) Walmart bags always leaked kitty litter which = always have sizable holes along the seam. I didn't state that no one has ever suffocated because of a plastic bag.

There is some really good reason why the police offcer said, "This is an isolated incident. Things like this happen sometimes in our community." The police took the Gallagher's pool chemicals. I think Alanna drowned. If the police had taken her scooter or bike, I would assume the officer's statement meant that she had been hit by a car.
 
There must have been something found with Alanna that was either a Walmart bag or receipt because they were requested to be seized in the search warrant. Why ask for those items specifically when a receipt/bag could come from any store? Maybe there was a Walmart receipt found inside of the garbage bag with Alanna's body?

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOJOZgmCAAAO_3P.jpg:large

I'm still on the black 'plastic' I know, but I've been digging for clarification.

I think this is the same piece of 'plastic' from another angle, and if so may give us a better grasp of size. From the same tweeter.

twoodard8 Teresa Woodard 1 Jul
FBI found more evidence on Cindy Ln. in Saginaw. Crime scene is expanding.

https://twitter.com/twoodard8/status/351925836007473153/photo/1

I zoomed in on the picture



And where I believe from the picture, where it was found. (on cindy lane circled in red, blue is location of body/tarp)



But reading through the scanner chatter I found this. Could this be what it is?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9655198&postcount=827

JMO :twocents:
 
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