GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #8

[Jo in Calif]

LE has surveillance videos of the vehicles coming and going in her neighborhood, correct? Don't you think this would include the three parents vehicles? I think LE knows when their vehicles came and went that day. If MM's never showed up, he probably never left the house. They probably know pretty close the time when LG came and went as well as KG. This could be a reason that LE don't consider them "prime" suspects.

 

[MissUnderstood]

For some reason when there is a case like this the perp is almost always referred to as a 'HE'. For some reason I feel like a woman is involved. Maybe not in the actually killing but in the disposal. I have no qualifications except some logic thought It just seems odd that she was bound and gagged and treated like nothing but then was neatly wrapped and secured with a belt. The murder part seems hasty but the wrapping seems different. My own opinion and all that jazz!!!

 

[jjenny]

LE has surveillance videos of the vehicles coming and going in her neighborhood, correct? Don't you think this would include the three parents vehicles? I think LE knows when their vehicles came and went that day. If MM's never showed up, he probably never left the house. They probably know pretty close the time when LG came and went as well as KG. This could be a reason that LE don't consider them "prime" suspects.

I don't believe LE has surveillance of all vehicles coming and going from the neighborhood. The video probably comes from a private home that had a camera. So only cars driving in front of that home would be on video.

 

[greenpalm]

LE has surveillance videos of the vehicles coming and going in her neighborhood, correct? Don't you think this would include the three parents vehicles? I think LE knows when their vehicles came and went that day. If MM's never showed up, he probably never left the house. They probably know pretty close the time when LG came and went as well as KG. This could be a reason that LE don't consider them "prime" suspects.

We don't really know exactly where ALL the surveillance videos may have come from. We have, with pretty good certainty, identified the house where the stills of the two cars have come from, but we don't know if LE has collected other videos from other houses.

If they only have video from this one house (and we don't know that) then it's conceivable that a car traveled undetected on the opposite side of the Gallagher's house from the house with the camera. Since it's not a cul-de-sac, there were two ways out.

Obviously this would apply to anyone. If the crime was premeditated a person planning it could have taken the time to observe which houses had security signs and/or cameras mounted.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I don't believe LE has surveillance of all vehicles coming and going from the neighborhood. The video probably comes from a private home that had a camera. So only cars driving in front of that home would be on video.

So are you thinking that this is the only home that LE has footage from? I tend to think that there was more than one. I don't know for fact, but I was just thinking that LE might have this information.

 

[jjenny]

So are you thinking that this is the only home that LE has footage from? I tend to think that there was more than one. I don't know for fact, but I was just thinking that LE might have this information.

They might have more than one home, but that still doesn't mean they know all vehicles coming and going from the neighborhood. The two images of cars released are clearly videotaped from the same home.

 

[Pensfan]

I don't believe LE has surveillance of all vehicles coming and going from the neighborhood. The video probably comes from a private home that had a camera. So only cars driving in front of that home would be on video.

The puke(s) might have driven one car out of the neighborhood and then borrowed a car from a friend to toss out Alanna's body.

 

[Jo in Calif]

They might have more than one home, but that still doesn't mean they know all vehicles coming and going from the neighborhood. The two images of cars released are clearly videotaped from the same home.

This is correct, but also note that I was using this as an example of what LE might have. We don't know what they have and this could be one of them.

 

[dandan08]

LE has surveillance videos of the vehicles coming and going in her neighborhood, correct? Don't you think this would include the three parents vehicles? I think LE knows when their vehicles came and went that day. If MM's never showed up, he probably never left the house. They probably know pretty close the time when LG came and went as well as KG. This could be a reason that LE don't consider them "prime" suspects.

The surveillance video are from <modsnip>, 2 houses away from Bridle Trail. We don't know if LE has surveillance video from any other houses on her street, especially the other end near Silverbrook Drive.

If there's only 1 surveillance camera on the street then the perp could have entered via Silverbrook and then turned around. Which I guess is why LE are only asking for the owner's of the 2 vehicles caught on camera to come forward as witnesses.

 

[Pensfan]

So are you thinking that this is the only home that LE has footage from? I tend to think that there was more than one. I don't know for fact, but I was just thinking that LE might have this information.

A surveillance camera was very likely to be near the site where Alanna's body was tossed, too. One internet sites states that there definitely was one. Therefore, all the pieces of this puzzle are available and ready to be exposed. It's time for the puke(s) to tell their lawyer to make a deal with the DA.

 

[jjenny]

A surveillance camera was very likely to be near the site where Alanna's body was tossed, too. One internet sites states that there definitely was one. Therefore, all the pieces of this puzzle are available and ready to be exposed. It's time for the puke(s) to tell their lawyer to make a deal with the DA.

Well, if LE had a video of a car from which something was tossed, wouldn't it be more helpful to show that video? And they could call it a suspect vehicle rather than witnesses, since nobody else would be tossing a large object on the street.

 

[Midwestmama78]

Good morning. I'm a new member/poster but I've been reading posts for a couple of weeks, trying to keep up with you all.

First let me say how terribly sorry I am for this family to have lost this precious girl in such a horrible way. I cannot imagine their grief and devastation.

I have a couple of observations based on all I have read from the beginning of this case. 1) As regards the bag over Alanna's head--a (serial) killer sometimes needs to depersonalize his/her victim, many times by covering the face. Also, her hair was reportedly sticking out of the bag which some people have trouble visualizing. I have a mental picture of the grocery-type plastic bag inverted over her head and tied/sealed around her neck with tape. It would be easy for some hair to protrude under that. The bag could also be for minimizing hair evidence at the scene, etc. Ditto black garbage bag.

2) I am leaning toward the theory that the killer worked alone, that s/he taped, bagged and tarped (sorry for being graphic and terse) the body to dump so that it would not be immediately recognized as a body (no arms/legs flopping around, again sorry for that mental picture), propped Alanna in a sitting position with her back against the front passenger door (possibly working in the privacy of a garage) so that when the car was stopped the door could be opened and the body could basically fall out of its own weight, maybe with a little push from the killer/driver, then shut the door and drive away (I think this theory argues for either a small car or a tall killer with long arms). The passenger side of the car would face fences and garage side of the house on the dump corner. The other houses either face away from that corner or would be blocked by the car itself from seeing what was going on.

3) Regarding the underwear being the only article of clothing Alanna was wearing when she was found--this doesn't necessarily rule out sexual assault. Some killers have been known to partially redress their victims, sometimes out of a sense of shame or pity (weird, I know). The other clothing could have been omitted for the sake of time or kept by the killer as a trophy.

I probably have other thoughts. They will bubble to the surface over time. Thank you very much for letting me be a part of this website. Hoping and praying for justice for this poor darling and her shocked and grieving family. You all do a great job here. :tyou:

 

[Flutterflies]

:welcome:New member, Midwestmama78! :welcome: to Websleuths!

Glad you joined us. Great first post!

 

[Pensfan]

Well, if LE had a video of a car from which something was tossed, wouldn't it be more helpful to show that video? And they could call it a suspect vehicle rather than witnesses, since nobody else would be tossing a large object on the street.

I think LE knows exactly who tossed Alanna out like garbage, but they want to find WITNESSES who might have seen the puke(s) loading up the tarp. They will help when the DA takes his/her other evidence before the grand jury.

 

[fred&edna]

I've just spent a few minutes reviewing some "Thread 1" posts and MSM reports.

I had forgotten there might be LE patrol car video as mentioned here:

"Investigators hope a video recording taken by a Saginaw police officer in his patrol car as he drove around the area where the body was found may provide clues, police said."

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And, also I had forgotten a report by a neighbor, "MP" mother of twins who lives a couple of doors down who said AG always carried a backpack. It's very likely the backpack has been discussed with our verified insider, and if so... was it found at home?

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22738162/childs-body-found-in-saginaw#ixzz2Xx1hqw6Y

I believe the interview with neighbor "MP" is the third video (entitled "Saginaw girl found... ")

 

[Midwestmama78]

I've just spent a few minutes reviewing some "Thread 1" posts and MSM reports.

I had forgotten there might be LE patrol car video as mentioned here:

"Investigators hope a video recording taken by a Saginaw police officer in his patrol car as he drove around the area where the body was found may provide clues, police said."

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And, also I had forgotten a report by a neighbor, "MP" mother of twins who lives a couple of doors down who said AG always carried a backpack. It's very likely the backpack has been discussed with our verified insider, and if so... was it found at home?

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22738162/childs-body-found-in-saginaw#ixzz2Xx1hqw6Y

I believe the interview with neighbor "MP" is the third video (entitled "Saginaw girl found... ")

Good information re: backpack. Thanks.

 

[IBsleuthin]

<MODSNIP>
All MOO and not directed at anyone:

My take on the statement was that she didn't feel it would be taken seriously. Because at the time they went to look for her she had been gone for a few hours but was thought to have been at a friends house the entire time. Once they realized she wasn't where she was supposed to be they started going to other neighbors/friends to see if she were there instead. During that KG saw the two police cars and spoke to them about his daughter. We know the rest from MSM. I do believe once they had spoken to everyone they knew who knew their daughter they would have reported it. I don't think it occurred to them that something horrible had happened. I really wish this aspect of the case would stop coming up. Hindsight is 20/20. If she had gone to said friends house on a regular basis and had stayed over for a few hours every time and was the norm, why is it so hard to believe that they thought nothing of it for her to be gone a few hours since they believed her to be at said house? MOO I just feel like this is one of those things that people in general get their sights on and "beat a dead horse". Putting all of the responsibility of her disappearance and death on the parents and their parenting and actions of that day IMO is a form of victim blaming. No one knows for certain what they would do given the same circumstances. No one but those involved even know what did or did not happen.


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I think it's like when someone does something wrong and then blames the person who reported them.

If you forget to lock your back door and someone robs your house, who's to blame? Well, the robber of course.

My ex-husband use to hurt me and then BLAME ME for him being late to work.

 

[IBsleuthin]

I've tweaked the timeline with a few more details...




[*] Noon (Approx) LG leaves to drive LDhummingbird, friend and verified insider, home.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9677907&highlight=errands#post9677907


[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) Neighbor sees Alanna playing on his front lawn with his grandchildren @ approx. 2 PM. http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=214092951&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247


[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) One WS opinion of time that the video of one of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778



[*] Time Unkown "MM <snip> typically works from home and was home with the children and gave Alanna permission to go out and play with a specific neighbor, who was not at home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888



[*] 4:00 (Approx) LG arrives home from driving friend (LDhummingbird) home. " Alanna was not at home when LG got home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888 AND http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688489&postcount=781



[*] 4:00 - 4:30 One WS opinion of time that the video of the other of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778



[*] "Midafternoon" First possible witness reported sighting of tarp, as per Macon description http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html


[*] 6:00 PM (Latest) " By 6 PM, Alanna's mother and older sister began looking for her."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888



[*] 7:00 PM Tarp spotted no later than 7:00 PM as per Macon http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html


[*] 7:15 PM (Approx) Alanna's body was found by teenagers at approx. 7:15 PM


[*] 7:33 Tarrant County Medical Examiner declares Time of Death http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/body-of-murdered-saginaw-girl-identified-as-6-year-old-alanna-gallagher/


[*] 8:00 PM Tweet by Fox4 reporter &#8207;@Saulgarzafox4 2 Jul: Neighbor says the victim's Father knocked on his door asking if he had seen his daughter around 8pm #SaginawMurder https://twitter.com/Saulgarzafox4


[*] 8:42 PM Sunset http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856



[*] 9:10 PM Twilight http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856

RBBM

Thank you very much for this timeline.


I did not know this information, or I had read it and not paid any attention. Thank you again.

 

[fred&edna]

I may be late providing this but here is a post/report re: neighbor saw AG at 2pm.

"... They interviewed neighbors, one of whom told police he last saw the little girl in his front yard around 2 p.m. She was playing with his grandchildren."

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http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=214092951&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247

 

[Midwestmama78]

I may be late providing this but here is a post/report re: neighbor saw AG at 2pm.

"... They interviewed neighbors, one of whom told police he last saw the little girl in his front yard around 2 p.m. She was playing with his grandchildren."

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http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=214092951&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247

Wondering about this grandfather's report in the light of the time he reports seeing AG playing outside with his grandkids and MM's evasion as to when he himself saw AG last. Has grandfather been looked into? Maybe I'm missing something.