TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

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KALI said:
Why would you yell "Open Up" when entering your own apartment/home?
I certainly don't yell anything when going into my home.
I do however, say in a kind voice, "Hi babies, Mom's home"
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Because she knew there was somebody in what she believed to be her home? And if it were her home I presume she didn't expect that person to be there. If she doesn't have babies in her apartment she isn't going to be saying "hi."
 
scarlettbones said:
This is just baffling. How did she get into the apartment? How are the apartments laid out and how far away is hers? Wouldn't be surprised if they knew each other, moo.
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Apartments are on different floors of the same building. As far as I can tell she didn't get inside the apartment at all, she tried to open the door with her key, these key didn't work. The man who lived inside the apartment opened the door.
 
Amonet said:
I can't see why the officers who attended the call would need to call "Open up"... so if those reports can be confirmed, surely that would move this from a charge of manslaughter to murder?
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The officer may have been screaming open up when she couldn’t get into what she thought was her apartment? Perhaps I don’t know this is crazy
 
Cortne said:
The officer may have been screaming open up when she couldn’t get into what she thought was her apartment? Perhaps I don’t know this is crazy
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Assuming that's accurate eyewitness testimony (and it might not be), if she went up to what he believed to be her apartment, and realized there was somebody there, she would have thought that person broke in. So screaming "open up" in that situation would make sense.
 
I wonder about the arrest protocol. If it had been an officer-involved shooting (if she had been on duty), then the police officer has the right to see all of the body camera and dashboard camera video before they are required to give a statement. I think they get to wait a few days to calm down, and they have an opportunity to speak with a police union lawyer or representative before they give a statement, too.

I'd be dollars to donuts that the Dallas DA will take this case to the grand jury, and the officer will be no-billed, and they will announce this tragedy was the result of a very unfortunate accident.
 
jjenny said:
Assuming that's accurate eyewitness testimony (and it might not be), if she went up to what he believed to be her apartment, and realized there was somebody there, she would have thought that person broke in. So screaming "open up" in that situation would make sense.
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But shouting at them would tell them that you're there and they might go out via a back exit....wouldn't it be better to call 911 and say there's a burglary in progress?
 
Bill Carson said:
I wonder about the arrest protocol. If it had been an officer-involved shooting (if she had been on duty), then the police officer has the right to see all of the body camera and dashboard camera video before they are required to give a statement. I think they get to wait a few days to calm down, and they have an opportunity to speak with a police union lawyer or representative before they give a statement, too.

I'd be dollars to donuts that the Dallas DA will take this case to the grand jury, and the officer will be no-billed, and they will announce this tragedy was the result of a very unfortunate accident.
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That would not happen anywhere else in the rest of the civilised world.
 
And if she thought it was her apartment, did she even try turning the light on? Surely then she'd be able to see who's in there, and she'd see it's not her apartment after all.

So how did she see him clearly enough to shoot him?

Whatever happened, it's horrible.
 
Bill Carson said:
I wonder about the arrest protocol. If it had been an officer-involved shooting (if she had been on duty), then the police officer has the right to see all of the body camera and dashboard camera video before they are required to give a statement. I think they get to wait a few days to calm down, and they have an opportunity to speak with a police union lawyer or representative before they give a statement, too.

I'd be dollars to donuts that the Dallas DA will take this case to the grand jury, and the officer will be no-billed, and they will announce this tragedy was the result of a very unfortunate accident.
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Touché. That does seem to be the MO for any officer involved anything when there’s a grand jury. She will no doubt be suspended WITH pay for a while then resign, then they’ll make excuses and tie it all up with a reasonable doubt bow. What a travesty. I grew up in Searcy, Arkansas and Harding is a very religious, no-nonsense, private and super pricey. It’s the Church of Christ Capitol. Ive read up on him some and even though I’m not religious, his passion and charm would have changed lives. Fly high, Bothom.
 
jjenny said:
Assuming that's accurate eyewitness testimony (and it might not be), if she went up to what he believed to be her apartment, and realized there was somebody there, she would have thought that person broke in. So screaming "open up" in that situation would make sense.
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She has to scream 'open up' at what she says she believes was her own apartment? Did she not wonder why her key did not work? She immediately assumes that a man who opens the door to her is burgling her apartment? What burglar answers the door?
 
Amonet said:
But shouting at them would tell them that you're there and they might go out via a back exit....wouldn't it be better to call 911 and say there's a burglary in progress?
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Yeah, if she actually said that, it makes her story later make even less sense. If she yelled "Open up!" why shoot him when he opened the door??
 
Amonet said:
And if she thought it was her apartment, did she even try turning the light on? Surely then she'd be able to see who's in there, and she'd see it's not her apartment after all.

So how did she see him clearly enough to shoot him?

Whatever happened, it's horrible.
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It’s a key card entry system like a hotel. Did he leave his deadbolt engaged to hold the door ajar (which she knew she would never do) bc a girl was stopping by? She could freak out with her weapon up, her adrenals pumping, maybe she sees dude shoes or wallet on the bar? Their bars might be identicle. So then he is up and investigating and boom..? Possible. Did she lose her key and go ask the doorman for a copy and it was programmed to his #, but then why did she also choose the wrong door? Too much a chance and coeincidence in that IMO. Was he maybe sleeping and when he heard an intruder he ran at the darkly dressed shadow with a golf club and she reacted? I’m dying to know.
 
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The Heavy article quoted a neighbor of Bothom's as saying that he had a rug in the hallway in front of his door. Like a door mat. How could she have mistaken that as her apartment?

And yes, if she suspected an intruder in her own apartment, she should have retreated and called for backup.
 
Bill Carson said:
The Heavy article quoted a neighbor of Bothom's as saying that he had a rug in the hallway in front of his door. Like a door mat. How could she have mistaken that as her apartment?

And yes, if she suspected an intruder in her own apartment, she should have retreated and called for backup.
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Because she had a gun and was willing and able to use it, even if she made the mistake. More guns, more guns.
 
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