TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

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Why would someone shoot, if they can't see? If it was dark, she couldn't tell if he had a weapon. How could she feel so threatened that lethal force was the only option?

We are hanging out tonight, watching tv, I wonder if the kids should be fitted for bullet proof vests, so that if a crazy woman comes in our house, screaming with guns blazing, they will be safe.

Seriously. This is beyond crazy.

us OLD (agewise) WS's remember when there were little lapses between one horrid thing and another

i know i know hard to believe for you youngins~

it has gotten to the point if your late on a story you cant even read the entire thread !!

the world has gone nutsola


jeeez
 
It is also beyond dispute that a white officer killed an unarmed black man. Yet we do not yet know nearly enough to conclude or speculate, as a flood of news stories and tweets do, that this shooting was motivated by racial profiling. None of us yet knows if the evidence in this shooting will dictate that we add it to the obscene toll racial profiling takes in America. In many ways, it almost doesn't matter, because the trust that should exist between police officers, white or black, and the communities of color they serve is diminished or entirely absent.

The facts as we know them so far: Resident Alyssa Kinsey told CNN she was on the phone Thursday night when she heard a shot followed by what sounded like "running steps" and a woman's voice calling the police. She soon learned that her next-door neighbor, Botham Shem Jean, had been fatally shot.

We know that Botham Shem Jean was shot in his own apartment, but we do not yet know enough to conclude that he was shot because he was a black man in his own apartment. Yet many of the tweets and the news stories draw the same premature conclusion about the motive behind this young black man's death. Those weighing in so prematurely should take a lesson from Chief Hall, who sought to avoid unfounded conclusions as well as even a hint of bias by turning the investigation over to an outside agency, the Texas Rangers.

Americans have learned to assume that racial profiling pulls the trigger whenever an officer -- white or black -- shoots a person of color. The sooner police agencies are able to credibly persuade the public, especially in minority communities, to change their assumptions, the sooner we can begin to rebuild the trust the police and the people so urgently need.

In the meantime, whatever we learn about the death of Botham Shem Jean, one essential truth will remain: a life, young and promising and loved, was lost.

This is one essential truth about the Dallas shooting
 
In an interview with CNN on Sunday, Mayor Mike Rawlings of Dallas called the case “bizarre” and “confusing to all of us.” He said that Guyger apparently parked her car on the wrong floor of the building’s parking lot and then walked to the apartment. “We don’t know how she got into that door,” he said. “We have to get to the bottom of this for everybody.”

Alyssa Kinsey, 29, who lives next door to Jean’s apartment, said she was sitting with her back to the tenants’ shared wall when she heard a gunshot, followed by a commotion. She said she ran to her door to listen and heard a female voice calling 911.

Staring through her peephole, Kinsey said she saw a police officer pacing and heard her “hyperventilating.”

To get to Jean’s apartment, Guyger would have had to walk past 15 to 20 apartments — many of which have distinct wreaths, doormats and trash cans, Kinsey said. Jean, for instance, had a red doormat outside his apartment.

“It doesn’t look the same,” she said. “So my main question is: What was she doing?”

Dallas officer charged with manslaughter after killing neighbor she mistook for intruder
 
Things I would like answers to:

1. I would like a timeline, when she went to work, where she went after work, how long she was there.
2. I would like the results of the blood work done.
3. Information about whether or not Guyger had a partner.
4. How long Guyger will be on administrative leave, or will she be fired?

The longer they keep that information, the more I know they want to keep it buried. There is zero transparency here. If there is nothing to hide, put out the information.

Crickets.
 
I understand what you mean about people not being convicted when they should have been. Texas is a very police friendly state as far as juries go. I live 40 miles north of Dallas and this case has a lot of people angry. I try to look at a variety of news outlets and even ones who have automatic support of police- giving them the benefit of the doubt no matter what basically- don't have anyone speaking up for this woman. I will be VERY angry too if she doesn't get prison time.

At the very beginning, there were folks willing to to have an open mind and were still very supportive. That has changed. The whole metroplex is pissed. The more people hear about the victim and how wonderful he was, the more incensed people are.
She has zero support publicly, that I can tell. I have never seen a case where there wasn't a pretty big public support of LE. The public is not going to let this go. I hope the pressure stays on for transparency.
 
Was this posted already?

#BothamJean death


#NEW: The family disputes #AmberGuyger's account of what happened Thursday night. The attorney representing them says two witnesses say they heard a woman knocking on a door, saying “Let me in” just before shooting. @CBSDFW

Tami Carr on Twitter


So lame to quote myself, but if the witnesses are correct, and Amber actually said “Let me in”, that means that she thought that someone she knew was in the apartment. That means that after the door opened, IF it was totally dark, wouldn’t she have tried to made sure to verify who was in the apartment before shooting?

This tells me that the lights were on, and she saw Bo clearly before she shot him.
 
It is also beyond dispute that a white officer killed an unarmed black man. Yet we do not yet know nearly enough to conclude or speculate, as a flood of news stories and tweets do, that this shooting was motivated by racial profiling. None of us yet knows if the evidence in this shooting will dictate that we add it to the obscene toll racial profiling takes in America. In many ways, it almost doesn't matter, because the trust that should exist between police officers, white or black, and the communities of color they serve is diminished or entirely absent.

The facts as we know them so far: Resident Alyssa Kinsey told CNN she was on the phone Thursday night when she heard a shot followed by what sounded like "running steps" and a woman's voice calling the police. She soon learned that her next-door neighbor, Botham Shem Jean, had been fatally shot.

We know that Botham Shem Jean was shot in his own apartment, but we do not yet know enough to conclude that he was shot because he was a black man in his own apartment. Yet many of the tweets and the news stories draw the same premature conclusion about the motive behind this young black man's death. Those weighing in so prematurely should take a lesson from Chief Hall, who sought to avoid unfounded conclusions as well as even a hint of bias by turning the investigation over to an outside agency, the Texas Rangers.

Americans have learned to assume that racial profiling pulls the trigger whenever an officer -- white or black -- shoots a person of color. The sooner police agencies are able to credibly persuade the public, especially in minority communities, to change their assumptions, the sooner we can begin to rebuild the trust the police and the people so urgently need.

In the meantime, whatever we learn about the death of Botham Shem Jean, one essential truth will remain: a life, young and promising and loved, was lost.

This is one essential truth about the Dallas shooting
I agree with all that except they have do nothing to improve their credibility, like leaking the victims criminal record.
 
Hi guys

I reached out to the reporter asking him to clarify if he thinks his report was wrong about Mr Jean allowing him in, or if it was the new report that was wrong and he replied.

“To be honest, I unhappily am starting to believe the latest reporting. Which would mean I was wrong. Which means my source who’s NEVER been wrong in 23-years, IS WRONG. I am not certain because those in charge... DA, DPD... Texas Rangers aren’t talking on the record about events”

Steve Eagar on Twitter

Thank you for doing that, Gigglingtoes!
 
I assume you’re not directing your comment to me and not that I personally am not making sense. My posting was directly from the article posted in provided link as per WS TOS. Not one element of this tragedy makes any sense to me. If you come up with any answers to your own questions, please feel free to post them.

I apologize, I thought it was your opinion.
 
At the very beginning, there were folks willing to to have an open mind and were still very supportive. That has changed. The whole metroplex is pissed. The more people hear about the victim and how wonderful he was, the more incensed people are.
She has zero support publicly, that I can tell. I have never seen a case where there wasn't a pretty big public support of LE. The public is not going to let this go. I hope the pressure stays on for transparency.

That's exactly how I am seeing it also.
 
Law enforcement authorities offered multiple explanations for the shooting: that Guyger lived in the same apartment building and had gone to the wrong door, that she had been serving warrants for an extended shift and was tired, that Jean’s door had been unlocked at the time that she entered, that she thought her own home was being robbed when she saw Jean in the apartment, that she simply didn’t notice the bright red doormat Jean kept outside of the door to his apartment, that Jean ignored the “verbal commands” of the intruder in his home.

Those claims may be true, but in most cases, authorities wait until the conclusion of a criminal investigation to explain the facts of a case, rather than the beginning. Regardless, it’s unusual for law enforcement authorities to offer mitigating circumstances explaining the suspect’s side of the story. (Since Guyger was off-duty and not acting in an official capacity, the incident isn’t considered an officer-involved shooting.)

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/dallas-authorities-amber-guyger-name/
I have read so many articles and I read one tonight that stated Officer Guyger said the shooting was an officer-involved shooting. Has anyone else seen that?
 
At the very beginning, there were folks willing to to have an open mind and were still very supportive. That has changed. The whole metroplex is pissed. The more people hear about the victim and how wonderful he was, the more incensed people are.
She has zero support publicly, that I can tell. I have never seen a case where there wasn't a pretty big public support of LE. The public is not going to let this go. I hope the pressure stays on for transparency.

I wish that didn’t matter. We sometimes have the tendency to care more about victims when they’ve lived “correctly”. I actually remember some reporter saying how the Parkland shooting was so bad because the kids there are so smar, Anyways a bit off topic, but I do wish we’d stop puttingthe victims on trial.
 
I wish that didn’t matter. We sometimes have the tendency to care more about victims when they’ve lived “correctly”. I actually remember some reporter saying how the Parkland shooting was so bad because the kids there are so smar, Anyways a bit off topic, but I do wish we’d stop puttingthe victims on trial.
Yes, remember the white man who went to NYC to kill black people, killed one by stabbing and then the victims criminal history was released and written about in the press.
I thought it was the murderer's at first, but no, it was the victims.
 
I apologize, I thought it was your opinion.
There is no need to apologize. We’re good. I don’t post on too many different threads but when I do I tend to serial post the news, especially at the beginning. I just came from working a bit on the Danielle Vian case where the police video was mysteriously pulled by MSM and scrubbed from the Internet. I’m also sorry I’m flooding the thread; but you never know when important information will be retracted. This whole happening is wild.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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