GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #34 *Arrest*

[Gigglingtoes]

I was asking my husband about all the ways LE could trace a Google maps search. He said there are probably ways, that with a subpoena and a search warrant LE could ASK Google for details of a search that originated at a particular IP address. Why am I interested? Because let's say AE went home at 5:30 and used his phone (the one he wiped) to use Google Maps to look for a place to hide her body. Then he left the phone at home in order to avoid allowing LE to trace his pings. even if he was that careful, he could still be traced because Googles search records would tell them the time of the search and what type of device and even what operating system was running on it when it did the search. So when LE seized all the computers in his house, at that point they only have access to the records on the computers (or phones or tablets etc.) themselves. BUT if they could convince a judge they had probable cause that he was hiding evidence (ie the wiped phone) perhaps they were able to get additional records from Google. Then they would possibly have new leads on places to search. If he used Google Maps to look for good places to hide her.

I guess that's a possibility.... It just seems really weird to google a place to hide a body though :notgood:

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I don't get why CM would ask PP for adderall when it's likely she had her own (based on police report about weirdo friend who stole her purse).

People who lie all the time tend to add unnecessary and/or false details to stories, thinking it will sound more natural.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I think puppies are the new Adderall. :happydance:

I hope the side effects of puppies are not as dangerous as the side effects of Adderall. The dosage of puppies is also probably very difficult to determine. I read that the FDA is requiring special licensing to be able to prescribe and dispense puppies, too.

 

[CookieM]

I guess that's a possibility.... It just seems really weird to google a place to hide a body though :notgood:

Stupider things have been done by criminals apparently:
http://nypost.com/2014/08/13/accused-killer-asked-siri-where-to-hide-roommates-body/

 

[SeriouslySearching]

In real life, it does NOT play out like you see it on TV.

I don't for a sec believe she would have danced around the question like that. That's even worse, because when you dance it gives the defense atty an opening to come back and press for a direct answer and make you look evasive. Also, it might open the door to questions in a different area.

Ultimately, you will have to answer anyhow so the dance is kinda pointless.

So the experienced witness answers only what is asked, no more and no less, and forces the other atty to try to ask the right questions. You don't build their case for them or open doors for them - you answer what is asked, and only that, as narrowly as possible without avoiding the question, and then let the chips fall where they may.

I wasn't using TV as my reference. I have seen many trials with real judges and real attorneys. I have followed many, many cases and have witnessed how keen detectives are when they are in prelim hearings and in early stages. She did not make detective without knowing her way around a court room in the witness chair while sparring with defense attorneys.

 

[daisytrail]

CookieM, that would be funny, but -- omg! How weird and creepy!

 

[MzOpinion8d]

People who lie all the time tend to add unnecessary and/or false details to stories, thinking it will sound more natural.

Yeah, I definitely think it's just another LIE from EA. I'm sure he wouldn't have been likely to know what CM was prescribed so he just threw in a little victim blaming for good measure.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I was asking my husband about all the ways LE could trace a Google maps search. He said there are probably ways, that with a subpoena and a search warrant LE could ASK Google for details of a search that originated at a particular IP address. Why am I interested? Because let's say AE went home at 5:30 and used his phone (the one he wiped) to use Google Maps to look for a place to hide her body. Then he left the phone at home in order to avoid allowing LE to trace his pings. even if he was that careful, he could still be traced because Googles search records would tell them the time of the search and what type of device and even what operating system was running on it when it did the search. So when LE seized all the computers in his house, at that point they only have access to the records on the computers (or phones or tablets etc.) themselves. BUT if they could convince a judge they had probable cause that he was hiding evidence (ie the wiped phone) perhaps they were able to get additional records from Google. Then they would possibly have new leads on places to search. If he used Google Maps to look for good places to hide her.

While it is possible he needed to study a map, I would think since he grew up around there and it was his stomping ground...he would know of plenty of places. A lot of perps leave their victims in familiar territory. I suppose it gives them a sense of security and power during their crimes in some way.

If the forensic computer specialist finds he visited Google or any other mapping site near the time of her disappearance, they will find out exactly where he was interested in scoping out. I don't think EA was savvy enough to clear his computer of history and things like he was the phone. He only cleared it because he had to return it, imo.

He wasn't savvy enough to recognize about the pings from both phones earlier so why would that change later in the night?

 

[greenpalm]

I guess that's a possibility.... It just seems really weird to google a place to hide a body though :notgood:

Really? Do you mean that it's weird to WANT to Google it? Or weird because of the danger of getting caught? Obviously one wouldn't want said Google searches to be found, but my goodness, if I wanted to hide a body, I would want to look at a map, if I could figure out a way to do so without leaving a trail.

Do they still sell paper maps in Gas Stations? Even if they do, they don't have satellite imaging.

Most perps hide bodies in places they've at least seen before. I'm just thinking that in the same way I'm using a map and Satellite view to suggest places he might have hidden her: He would have benefitted from a map and satellite to decide on a hiding place in the first place.

Just to be clear, I'm just talking about him looking around the area on Google Maps. I'm not talking about typing in the words "Places to hide a Body In Plano, Texas" :wink:

 

[misslu]

Would you be keeping some things to yourself? Almost certainly. All that media attention was necessary to try to get a search for Christina that was ongoing. However, imagine you do not have a perfect child. (Who does?) And you know what the world values? The world values victims that are purer, whiter, and possess good, solid middle class values. All the better to emphasize that the victim is a contrast to every standard media perpetrator people see on TV -- because good guys require bad guys to validate their goodness. You see it on every cop show on television. Maybe it is just the memories you have of your child from when she was little that you want to hold sacred. All those dreams and hopes. Suddenly, all is exposed. There you are, with people looking to you lead them and to give them information you may not even have and you only have one desire: To find your cherished child. Do you thank people, left and right, anyone who give you the slightest help or hope? You bet you do and you go on thanking people (even if you are sometimes a bit disappointed in them) because you want them to go on helping and you want them to understand and want them somehow -- although it is hardly possible -- to love your child as you do. You would want the answers that you need, even if the answers come from her possible killer. You would appeal to his decency, because that is all you have to move him. You would not care about your child's lifestyle choices as much as you would just care about your child. Your arms would feel so empty. You would beg anyone. You would appeal to anyone. You would thank anyone. And if the police had a pretty good suspect, then you would show them every deference, because at least they would be heading in the right direction. Answers! All that drug stuff? It would not matter so much. You want your child alive at any cost. And if you cannot have that, you at least want her body. And you want it over! However the requirements of the law may take a long time to fulfill before it is over, so what you would want, barring that, is justice.

A friend of mine, her daughter was murdered and there were two killers (now in prison with life without parole) and the defense attorney of one of them went after my friend on the witness stand, claiming she should have known about her daughter's lifestyle choices. In short, putting the victim and her family on trial to create some sort of bizarre smoke screen for the defendant.

To some extent, I have a concern about that when people keep bringing up the drugs. It is sleuthing and is not victim-bashing, I know, but it sure is stuff that the defense attorney will use to mitigate his client's responsibility for the his crime, isn't it?

In the end, drugs or not, EA had her in his trunk and the burden on the prosecution will be not to prove motive, but to prove the crime.

I have been just reading along here lately but had to say how much I appreciate this post, daisytrail. Unfortunately some people do categorize people then discount what's happened to them. I will say, I'm just a regular young woman who happened upon an article with a picture of a regular young woman having a happy moment with her mom and immediately wanted to know more about her and what happened to her. And now that I do know more, drugs and all, I still see a regular young woman and want to know what happened to her and think she deserves much more. I think even the activity on WS is a positive indicator that some people still see the value of someone's life regardless of their current lifestyle. Regardless, you make a very good, although sad, point and I have a lot of respect for how Jonni is navigating through all of this.

 

[misslu]

I don't get why CM would ask PP for adderall when it's likely she had her own (based on police report about weirdo friend who stole her purse).

And I don't get why she'd even want adderal IF there were other drugs had? I'm not especially familiar with the effects of adderal but seems to me that would be like taking a sip of beer after a couple shots of liquor.

 

[daisytrail]

I hope the side effects of puppies are not as dangerous as the side effects of Adderall. The dosage of puppies is also probably very difficult to determine. I read that the FDA is requiring special licensing to be able to prescribe and dispense puppies, too.

All Adderall XR does is ruin your sleep. I used to take it for ADD. A puppy is much more dangerous. First, you end up having to take it out all the time just because it looked appealing and you adopted it. Then there is all that training, walks in rain or shine, the endless brushing of matted hair, the pup thinking he should be able to sit on your lap when he reaches 50 pounds. Fifteen years later he dies, having given you more devotion and love than you ever deserved. A broken heart! A puppy can break a heart.

 

[LibbyinTexas]

Jmo...I am really sick of hearing 23-year olds referred to as "kids". Is there any age when people are adults anymore? We lock up 18-year olds for life...so why are 23-year olds "kids"? Anyway...just a pet peeve of mine.

Welllll...... if your old enough to have a 23 year old you usually refer to them as kids..... the older you are the younger the 20's seem.... seem like mere kids... but an 18 year old wielding a weapon and killing people.... all adult... yep.... most of the time, people in their early 20's just seem still so young with their whole life ahead of them...when someone takes it...it just seems so unfair...they were just so young, just a kid....but if they are 18 or 15 and butcher someone.... its just the opposite...they have experienced to much of something in their life to make them seem old and evil and with to much ugly in them to be a kid...

 

[greenpalm]

While it is possible he needed to study a map, I would think since he grew up around there and it was his stomping ground...he would know of plenty of places. A lot of perps leave their victims in familiar territory. I suppose it gives them a sense of security and power during their crimes in some way.

If the forensic computer specialist finds he visited Google or any other mapping site near the time of her disappearance, they will find out exactly where he was interested in scoping out. I don't think EA was savvy enough to clear his computer of history and things like he was the phone. He only cleared it because he had to return it, imo.

He wasn't savvy enough to recognize about the pings from both phones earlier so why would that change later in the night?

My post was really intended to illustrate that there are ways to get the search information that are far beyond looking on the device itself. Even if more than one device is used in a home and multiple searches are coming from a single IP address they can tell which device was used, what operating system was on the device… etc. so even if one might think one has covered up some of of one's tracks, perhaps one has not.

On the other hand, no one is really clear on how hard he tried to cover his tracks. I'm not committed to anything. It was just a new idea to me that they could actually see the details of the search from the other direction, particularly a map search.

 

[misslu]

Ok, is a puppy a puppy or something else? Don't do this to me, folks! Craving peach pie is one thing, but I literally just recovered from puppy fever and it got pretty dangerous there for awhile

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Really? Do you mean that it's weird to WANT to Google it? Or weird because of the danger of getting caught? Obviously one wouldn't want said Google searches to be found, but my goodness, if I wanted to hide a body, I would want to look at a map, if I could figure out a way to do so without leaving a trail.

Do they still sell paper maps in Gas Stations? Even if they do, they don't have satellite imaging.

Most perps hide bodies in places they've at least seen before. I'm just thinking that in the same way I'm using a map and Satellite view to suggest places he might have hidden her: He would have benefitted from a map and satellite to decide on a hiding place in the first place.

Just to be clear, I'm just talking about him looking around the area on Google Maps. I'm not talking about typing in the words "Places to hide a Body In Plano, Texas" :wink:

I meant just not a smart move trying to locate somewhere via Google that's all.

 

[daisytrail]

Did he hunt? Run? Play golf? It seems to me that if his movement cannot be tracked by technical means, that where he hid Christina might have more to do with him and his habits. Where would he feel comfortable going, especially at night?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Right. And, even if she did "have drugs on her", it doesn't mean CM is a Drug Dealer. She may have herself brought or bought just enough to share with her friends that night, but not carry enough to get herself killed. I used to do that with pot and coke in the long-ago. Multiple times, as did my friends on occasion..........not that much different than buying booze when underage.
Yes, I think drugs are a likely component of this sad case, but not the motive. JMOO.

Evidently, her BF was dealing Molly (or whatever) in quantity. If she did take some "party favors" to friends that night...maybe no one really knew how much Molly or other drugs she had on her. She lost her keys a couple of times (then again who really knows?!). Did it happen while someone was searching through her things looking for her supposed stash and they tossed them aside?

Motive is a huge question mark at this point, but with the timing of the last text from EA to HF requesting good rock (molly/ethylone/coke/crack?)...it seems like the drugs (definitely not adderall) could certainly be the catalyst for abduction and murder. EA wanted them and CM was his ticket to them.

 

[Faithx2]

Yes. There is evidence to support the suggestion. At the hearing, LE stated it was their belief HF gave Christina drugs that night. They said they were not certain if she took them herself. This indicates she took them to either take, sell, or share (or all of the above). They said she asked for adderall and took it before going out, too. What would you suggest it all meant? Where would she have carried the drugs HF gave her if not in her bag?

Drugs were on his mind at the time of the abduction and if she had more on her, it is possible he attacked her to get them.

Good point. Could be why the text can I get some of that good rock was sent from EA's phone. If she had some on her and they "sampled" it and then wanted to buy some more from HF. Could have thought CM had more on her.

 

[jennapuppy]

Evidently, her BF was dealing Molly (or whatever) in quantity. If she did take some "party favors" to friends that night...maybe no one really knew how much Molly or other drugs she had on her. She lost her keys a couple of times (then again who really knows?!). Did it happen while someone was searching through her things looking for her supposed stash and they tossed them aside?

Motive is a huge question mark at this point, but with the timing of the last text from EA to HF requesting good rock (molly/ethylone/coke/crack?)...it seems like the drugs (definitely not adderall) could certainly be the catalyst for abduction and murder. EA wanted them and CM was his ticket to them.

The last text definitely made me re-think what went down during those final 3 min. in the garage. MOO