TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #3

[stmarysmead]

i keep coming back to the hospital visits or the scheduling of those visits for the cosplay group…i believe Liz was the volunteer who did the scheduling. A perceived insult combined with intense grief…could fester into long running rage.

Using an exit between two houses seems odd to me…risky. But a neighbor who could quickly pull into a garage…maybe. But then why other drivebys? Unless they knew the couple so little that they were trying to establish patterns.

 

[Betty P]

i do believe that the videos show 2 people in the car. I do believe there was a lengthy period of planning. That is just why this is such a confounding case!

A calculated murder like this usually involves, IMO…passion or money. Im thinking of the long planning period of Chris Coleman’s murder of his wife. But it did not take long to find the motive of his passion…the girlfriend.Nothing like that emerged here and years have passed. There was no large inheritance…no uncovered feud…the victim seemed like a lovely uncomplicated person.

What had she done…that the rage did not dissipate? What did she have, the others would go to this length to take for themselves.

The ‘watcher’ in the car is interesting because he/she seemed to provide no specific service…didn’t walk up with t-he shooter, didn’t move the car closer so the shooter would not have to run back. So why be there?

i have an eerie feeling the Watcher was the instigator. Wanted to see the murder. Had the shooter drive back by…just for another look. This motive ran deep whatever it was.

Speculation is that the watcher was there to make sure the truck was running in order to make a quick getaway. Not sure, it could be a combination of that and other reasons.

Either way, it had to be someone who wanted to see the murder take place and who shared the grudge or whatever it was that motivated the killer.

 

[loveplace]

Speculation is that the watcher was there to make sure the truck was running in order to make a quick getaway. Not sure, it could be a combination of that and other reasons.

Either way, it had to be someone who wanted to see the murder take place and who shared the grudge or whatever it was that motivated the killer.

Alternately it could just be someone who was easily controlled by the shooter or was motivated by their dynamic with the shooter rather than necessarily sharing the grudge or motivating factor.

 

[stmarysmead]

If these killers were each paid, then the presence of the second person is understandable. But again, what dud this poor woman do that incited someone to pay two people?

But if its a revenge killing, I guess if it was someone influenced by the shooter…fellow gang member…someone like that LaRue kid assisting in the Carre-Potter murders..yes, good point.

But I just have this feeling the Watcher is the instigator…no real facts to support this. Just the hour of the morning, the second pass to make sure she's down, and the long and careful planning.

 

[stmarysmead]

Whenever I come back to this thread, I think about Liz’s parents. If your loved one is LE or in the military, you pray and hope, but steel yourself for thevpossibility of losing them. (Been there myself)

These mass murders are shocking, horrific but there’s an element of wrong place, wrong time. Not that there’s any huge particular comfort in that…but there is a shark-in-the-water feeling to it. Not personal.

But this…

To think that someone planned over time, and researched, and rehearsed and assembled a costume…all to take your much loved child from this earth. To think your child could generste in someone this much hate. So SO personal. It must be a special kind of horror.
i just pray they get justice.

 

[arielilane]

This was no way for beautiful Liz's life to end. IMO, the killer wanted Liz to know their identity prior to shooting her and let her know why she was being killed. The killing was so horrific. The accomplice was in on it and cowardly too. I can't believe that people are that inhumane. All speculation on my part after viewing the horrific video one too many times.

 

[AmandaSkis]

If Liz wasn’t having the garage sale that morning, would she have already left for work? And related to that question, on a normal workday, who left for work first? Would Liz have already been gone before her husband?

Because if Liz was normally gone before her husband, then the suspect would somehow need to know that Liz would still be there on that particular day.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

The garage sale placed Liz in the frontyard alone and vulnerable at that early hour which made her an easy target whether it is before or after her daily routine . But it is stil early and dark enough for the killer. Maybe at work days she drove in her car directly from the garage . Did she go to work by her own car normally ? I guess we don’t know that .. That last minute garage sale to get extra cash for the trip is so eery to me . I wonder if Liz and Sergio did that garage sale ever before ? People usually sell things online . I also would like to know if Liz sold things online..JMO

 

[Pricklykitty]

Something that bothers me about the outfit/costume is Liz's apparent lack of reaction to it. From what I can make out, she doesn't comment on it, and even though she was into cosplay herself, I would have expected some sort of reaction to a stranger turning up to her garage sale at 6am in full costume. That bit just raised some questions for me.

 

[arielilane]

Who Killed Liz Barraza

A website about Liz Nuelle Barraza and the details around her brutal murder on January 25, 2019 at the hands of a coward.

whokilledlizbarraza.com

This site has been created by her Mother and Father to publish accurate information and references for you.

#CaptureACoward

 

[realanastasia]

Who Killed Liz Barraza

A website about Liz Nuelle Barraza and the details around her brutal murder on January 25, 2019 at the hands of a coward.

whokilledlizbarraza.com

This site has been created by her Mother and Father to publish accurate information and references for you.

#CaptureACoward

Yikes, someone should let them know that the date that shows up in the snippet above (from the link you posted) is incorrect—states murder occurred in 2010.

 

[realanastasia]

Who Killed Liz Barraza

A website about Liz Nuelle Barraza and the details around her brutal murder on January 25, 2019 at the hands of a coward.

whokilledlizbarraza.com

This site has been created by her Mother and Father to publish accurate information and references for you.

#CaptureACoward

Also: this website is EXCELLENT, the Timeline is exceedingly detailed and the “Indisputable Truths about Liz” page is chock-full of information that might prompt new insights into the crime. The gallery of photos is a real heartbreaker, though.

Per the website, Liz did not advertise the garage sale on her social media, only through signs/flyers in her local neighborhood. This has been a question many of us have asked since the murder, and I’m glad to finally have a definitive answer.

 

[Pricklykitty]

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The video I've linked from the website set up by her family shows Liz returning from starbucks the morning of the shooting as detailed in the timeline on the website. The video is sad to think how little life she had left, but also shows that at that time Liz seemed to have no concerns over any altercation while she was out, or any concerns anyone was following her. To me, it also shows that the killer absolutely knew that Liz was going to be home that day, because otherwise, wouldn't they have assumed her coffee run was actually her leaving for work, and either attacked her then, or have been seen following her? <modsnip> We know from cctv - again listed on the family website - that the truck was in the neighbourhood around 2am, then seen back in the neighbourhood at 6.47 am, driving around till 3/4 minutes after SB leaves the home. On a normal day, the truck would likely have missed Liz by the time it arrived in the neighbourhood, which in my opinion points to the killer knowing the Liz was going to be home alone that morning rather than at work.
Its also just my opinion, but I feel the killer knew or expected Liz to be outside. I think if the killer has arrived at 2am to check out the neighbourhood, arrived back at 6.47am, got the timings of SB leaving so closely to them arriving, then this killing was planned very well. Therefore if something came up that was unexpected, like Liz being sat outside rather than indoors, I would expect a slight delay between the car passing the Barraza house and returning to park for the killer to exit. Maybe a few minutes for them to rework in their minds how to proceed, or the killer taking a few glances around to check no one else was out and about nearby. Instead the truck comes right back around, parks and the killer strides purposefully and confidently towards Liz. No hesitation or lack of confidence.
I have a few thoughts on who it could be, similar to those many others have, but the big sticking point comes from the garage sale being last minute, and a supposed small group being the only ones who knew. Of course someone living nearby would know all this about the timings of them coming and going, and may also have seen signs for the garage sale the night before and been able to alert someone..they could also know where cameras were located. But would they have known for sure SB wouldn't also be home that day for the sale? Would they have known for sure that Liz was going to be home, and would also return from her coffee run? I just have a hard time believing that everything aligned without someone close to Liz, or SB being involved in some way, which is a horrible thought really.

 

[Curiousobserver]

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The video I've linked from the website set up by her family shows Liz returning from starbucks the morning of the shooting as detailed in the timeline on the website. The video is sad to think how little life she had left, but also shows that at that time Liz seemed to have no concerns over any altercation while she was out, or any concerns anyone was following her. To me, it also shows that the killer absolutely knew that Liz.... SHORTENED BY ME

A lot of insightful things in your post.

I followed this case from the first day. It's puzzling how brazen the perpetrator was, allowing themselves to be captured on multiple cameras, driving by before and then again after the crime, risking eyewitness and capture. Originally I thought that the best explanation was that this was a total stranger and a crime of opportunity. I am now almost certain the perpetrator knew exactly when to arrive to capture Liz alone and outside the house. I also now believe the perpetrator was monitoring the police/scanner and the drive-by after the crime was them attempting to avoid passing the police who arrived very quickly.

 

[fridaybaker]

I wonder whose idea the garage sale was? Initially?

 

[CocoChanel]

ADMIN WARNING:
Remember….2 people in the truck is simply a THEORY not established FACT.
The source of this theory is the recently approved YT video by Arrin Stoner linked in this post:, AND in the opening post of this thread.

When we hear from LE that there were 2 people in the suspect’s truck, ONLY THEN may we discuss it as a FACT with a link to substantiate it.
Until then, we can discuss it as ONE person’s OPINION from their ONE approved YT episode.

Please be clear that WHAT you are stating and commenting on is related to SPECULATION/THEORY/OPINION from a single YT episode.
Otherwise other members take it as a fact and that’s how runaway rumors gets started.


THANKS!

 

[stmarysmead]

Also: this website is EXCELLENT, the Timeline is exceedingly detailed and the “Indisputable Truths about Liz” page is chock-full of information that might prompt new insights into the crime. The gallery of photos is a real heartbreaker, though.

Per the website, Liz did not advertise the garage sale on her social media, only through signs/flyers in her local neighborhood. This has been a question many of us have asked since the murder, and I’m glad to finally have a definitive answer.

i wonder when she called off work…and if she called off work at BOTH jobs? Had she arranged the day off BEFORE any plans to have a garage sale? So the saie was truly last minute?

If she called off AFTER she got home that night…did she mention the garage sale to anyone in either place? I would like to know if the neighborhood signs were the only word of mouth available…and nothing through either workplace.

The movements of the murderer’s car interest me too. We know they drove by at 2AM. I suppose they may have seen the signs and found out about the garage sale then. But it seems more likely that they’d been alerted about the garage sale and that the mission’ was on for tomorrow. So they wanted to check escape routes again..

They knew where the camera was IMO…and they couldn't have figured that out with that one nighttime driveby. The 2AM driveby can only have been to understand the neighborhood streets IMO.
And then where did they go…somewhere to sleep? A motel…are they locals?

Then they return, park and wait. Its like they waited for a signal that S. was gone. At least one if them is in a wig and a odd costume, so it seems they were very sure that he would not decide to stay home too. But any ‘signal’ should have bern discovered by now. I am assuming they couldn't see S go by from where thry parked…8because thats domethjng that LE would have checked. Assuming S took the same route every day.

The last poster really hit on something…they seemed so confident In every aspect and action. They were even confident enough to come back and drive by again after the shooting.

 

[dgfred]

I wish I would have put 'if' in my post. Did not mean to speculate.

 

[cnmccarthy]

Had it ever been discussed why it took almost an hour for S to return to the house after getting the alert from their nest camera?

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Is it possible that the killer arriving after SB left home is just a coincidence? I feel like it’s possible the killer didn’t really care whether anyone else was there, given they were only on the property for less than 30-50 seconds before they got in the car and left.