TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #3

[arielilane]

This crime comes across as really personal. Was killer sent by someone else to kill Liz or was killer the one that wanted to personally kill Liz?

Was someone psychotic, had been unhinged about something and planned to kill Liz so violently because that person could not give it a rest? Did their hate for Liz build for months/years, never to subside? Had the plan been in the works for months or years and an opportunity finally came along.. the 5-year anniversary trip would have be a perfect time, and that way Liz would not get to enjoy a trip of a lifetime, something Liz loved to do and looked forward to, something Liz planned?

I suspect close friends knew of Liz’s planned trip to Orlando, and her close friends’ may have shared that info with their friends, etc.

Or did someone want Liz out of the way … out of the picture in order to be able to insert themselves into SB’s life for whatever reason, but then that never happened? For whatever reason...

Or was this someone Liz had worked with (past and present at the time) or knew that was mad at Liz for talking and speaking up about certain topics, they were uncomfortable about or disagreed with? In our own experiences we all have had work related issues with someone? Right? Maybe that person could never let it go, or a neighbor? Neighbor disputes are common?

Killers like to collect trophies or mementos to relive what they have done, did killer take something from the crime scene, film it or take a photograph? Killer did drive back by the crime scene. If there was another occupant in the truck, did that person (accomplice) take a photo, etc.?

I wonder if the outfit is to throw off LE to think it’s related to Liz’s love for SW? It looked more like a Halloween costume than SW.

It appears the killer is not skilled with a firearm. Wonder if killer (after they killed Liz) needed to seek the help of an audiologist or ENT?

I noticed there are a few contradictions in a certain person’s responses.

This narrative is all in my opinion only and MOO. It could be considered story-telling.

 

[JnRyan]

This crime comes across as really personal. Was killer sent by someone else to kill Liz or was killer the one that wanted to personally kill Liz?

Was someone psychotic, had been unhinged about something and planned to kill Liz so violently because that person could not give it a rest? Did their hate for Liz build for months/years, never to subside? Had the plan been in the works for months or years and an opportunity finally came along.. the 5-year anniversary trip would have be a perfect time, and that way Liz would not get to enjoy a trip of a lifetime, something Liz loved to do and looked forward to, something Liz planned?

I suspect close friends knew of Liz’s planned trip to Orlando, and her close friends’ may have shared that info with their friends, etc.

Or did someone want Liz out of the way … out of the picture in order to be able to insert themselves into SB’s life for whatever reason, but then that never happened? For whatever reason...

Or was this someone Liz had worked with (past and present at the time) or knew that was mad at Liz for talking and speaking up about certain topics, they were uncomfortable about or disagreed with? In our own experiences we all have had work related issues with someone? Right? Maybe that person could never let it go, or a neighbor? Neighbor disputes are common?

Killers like to collect trophies or mementos to relive what they have done, did killer take something from the crime scene, film it or take a photograph? Killer did drive back by the crime scene. If there was another occupant in the truck, did that person (accomplice) take a photo, etc.?

I wonder if the outfit is to throw off LE to think it’s related to Liz’s love for SW? It looked more like a Halloween costume than SW.

It appears the killer is not skilled with a firearm. Wonder if killer (after they killed Liz) needed to seek the help of an audiologist or ENT?

I noticed there are a few contradictions in a certain person’s responses.

This narrative is all in my opinion only and MOO. It could be considered story-telling.

I agree with all of the above. I was in disagreement with the photo/souvenir since the shooter didn't seem to take anything or take a photo. BUT after thinking about it, was one reason for the 2nd pass to take a photo?

The killer knowing about the Orlando trip? And wanted to do it before she left? I wonder IF or HOW that factored into the killer's plan? One thing I would add: Did the 5 year anniversary figure in the killer's mindset? IOW, was this someone from Elizabeth's past for which the 5 year mark triggered something for them?

Whether the killer was the one with the grudge or by proxy (paid or unpaid) I believe she was definitely the target. I believe the paid killer is less likely as this appeared to ALMOST be overkill with her being shot 4 times. They didn't seem to hesitate at ALL. Like this was the person with the grudge OR someone personally close to the one with a grudge.

 

[JnRyan]

I can't get over the PZ episode where LE says they recovered a .380 bullet. As I stated earlier, the .380 is typically a semi-auto round, not revolver. Both the .380 and 9mm have the same diameter, but .380 rounds are 88-95 grains while 9mm is usually 115 or 124 with the exception of the 147gr subsonic ammo. (The .380 is also known as the 9mm short or 9mm Kurz.) .38 special/.357 magnum revolver ammo also has the same diameter but typically a 125gr or 158gr. The smallest I've found for .38 spl is Hornady's 110gr Critical Defense HP. So I don't see how the ballistic specialists could have confused a .380 with another .38 caliber.

Of course, this could be a misdirection by LE. They get them in the interview and they slip up with the actual caliber.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree with all of the above. I was in disagreement with the photo/souvenir since the shooter didn't seem to take anything or take a photo. BUT after thinking about it, was one reason for the 2nd pass to take a photo?

The killer knowing about the Orlando trip? And wanted to do it before she left? I wonder IF or HOW that factored into the killer's plan? One thing I would add: Did the 5 year anniversary figure in the killer's mindset? IOW, was this someone from Elizabeth's past for which the 5 year mark triggered something for them?

Whether the killer was the one with the grudge or by proxy (paid or unpaid) I believe she was definitely the target. I believe the paid killer is less likely as this appeared to ALMOST be overkill with her being shot 4 times. They didn't seem to hesitate at ALL. Like this was the person with the grudge OR someone personally close to the one with a grudge.

Agree JnRyan, totally focused on Liza. Such a sweet, hard working young woman by all who knew her, who would benefit from her death?

I wonder what the piece of paper was (or whatever it was) that the shooter showed before shooting? Did you also notice that or am I imaging things, hah?

MOO

 

[JnRyan]

Agree JnRyan, totally focused on Liza. Such a sweet, hard working young woman by all who knew her, who would benefit from her death?

I wonder what the piece of paper was (or whatever it was) that the shooter showed before shooting? Did you also notice that or am I imaging things, hah?

MOO

I've seen that scenario in YT videos. Personally, I can't tell if there was a note - or anything else for that matter. When I get down to it, and the killer showed her something how do I know it was a 'note'? An email - 'Remember this, Liz!'? Or some item or badge with Star Wars meaning? Or other such item that she might have immediately recognized? If the killer did show her something the killer must have believed she would immediately recognize it because it doesn't appear they took much time to refresh her memory.

 

[fridaybaker]

I've seen that scenario in YT videos. Personally, I can't tell if there was a note - or anything else for that matter. When I get down to it, and the killer showed her something how do I know it was a 'note'? An email - 'Remember this, Liz!'? Or some item or badge with Star Wars meaning? Or other such item that she might have immediately recognized? If the killer did show her something the killer must have believed she would immediately recognize it because it doesn't appear they took much time to refresh her memory.

Do these Star War clubs tend to have badge-type ID? Other ID or similar item that one would show to others in the “club”? Passes to conventions or other events?
Maybe it was something like that that was shown to Liz by the killer. Something that would be instantly recognizable (and maybe a bit reassuring) to her, resulting in an extra second or two wherein the killer could get a handgun out of a pocket and get it aimed before Liz understood what was going on?

 

[DeDee]

I can't get over the PZ episode where LE says they recovered a .380 bullet. As I stated earlier, the .380 is typically a semi-auto round, not revolver. Both the .380 and 9mm have the same diameter, but .380 rounds are 88-95 grains while 9mm is usually 115 or 124 with the exception of the 147gr subsonic ammo. (The .380 is also known as the 9mm short or 9mm Kurz.) .38 special/.357 magnum revolver ammo also has the same diameter but typically a 125gr or 158gr. The smallest I've found for .38 spl is Hornady's 110gr Critical Defense HP. So I don't see how the ballistic specialists could have confused a .380 with another .38 caliber.

Of course, this could be a misdirection by LE. They get them in the interview and they slip up with the actual caliber.

LE recovered a .380 bullet. I can only wish I could envision what the different calibers mean.

Is it statically impossible for a revolver to fire a .380 bullet? A pound of grain = 7000 grains So we're speaking much smaller amounts, of course, that might fit inside a shell. Is that the proper word?

In layman's terms what does this statement mean, please?
"So I don't see how the ballistic specialists could have confused a .380 with another .38 caliber."

"They get them in the interview and they slip up with the actual caliber."
That would be brilliant but would LEO take that chance? We'd not known a bullet surfaced until Paula Z's podcast. Yet you are telling us that the .380 doesn't make sense? Why doesn't it make sense?

 

[DeDee]

Agree JnRyan, totally focused on Liza. Such a sweet, hard working young woman by all who knew her, who would benefit from her death?

I wonder what the piece of paper was (or whatever it was) that the shooter showed before shooting? Did you also notice that or am I imaging things, hah?

MOO

I do believe it is a note, a notecard, a nametag, or something that would immediately let Elizabeth know who was calling. Sort of like a calling card. I've slowed AStoner's video where he speaks of this particular action. Watched it a few times then I slowed it down until I could see what AS saw.

The killer holds out a ticket or something similar with their left hand, at about elbow height, to Liz. It is very intentional. Then, distracted by this, Liz reaches for the item with her right hand as the gun is being raised by the killer's right hand so they made a one-handed shot. Correction. There were 3 consecutive shots fired one-handed then one kill shot to the head while standing over Liz. How terrifying for her. Was the killer still hanging onto the note/card/ticket/whatnot or did Liz still have it in her hand? If she kept it then LEO has it.

It is difficult for me to understand what this sweet lady did to make someone so angry as to lash out with a rash of bullets or was it cui bono? Who stood to gain the most from Liz dying? It does not have to be a cash or monetary benefit although it usually is in a targeted murder, but it needs to be of some benefit to someone or maybe for two, or even more, if we include at least one accomplice.

That's some trust to carry someone with you when you are going to assassinate someone at their home.

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[arielilane]

Curious as to why (unless I missed it) PZ show A Fairy Tale Ruined didn’t mention anything about Liz’s previous employment with party supply shop Cool-Kat Party Warehouse? <modsnip - rumor> Additionally, the store is also a costume shop and there is a lot of options available for disguise/false one’s appearance.

So what is the history with Liz’s employment with Cool-Kat? Did Liz get along with colleagues, managers, etc.? Did Liz still work there as a side hustle when she was killed?

All of this narrative is in my honest opinion only.

 

[arielilane]

On the Case with Paula Zahn 2022 - A Fairy Tale Ruined​

Det. MR: There were no fire casings from the handgun that was used to shoot and kill Ms. Barraza.
Paula: Police believe that the murder weapon had likely been a revolver. What kind of gun did you think had been fired?
Det. MR: There was one round recovered, the round was small to medium-size caliber possibly a 380.
Paula: Investigators searched the area but the pistol was not recovered.

 

[JnRyan]

LE recovered a .380 bullet. I can only wish I could envision what the different calibers mean.

Is it statically impossible for a revolver to fire a .380 bullet? A pound of grain = 7000 grains So we're speaking much smaller amounts, of course, that might fit inside a shell. Is that the proper word?

In layman's terms what does this statement mean, please?
"So I don't see how the ballistic specialists could have confused a .380 with another .38 caliber."

"They get them in the interview and they slip up with the actual caliber."
That would be brilliant but would LEO take that chance? We'd not known a bullet surfaced until Paula Z's podcast. Yet you are telling us that the .380 doesn't make sense? Why doesn't it make sense?

Due to the difference in the design of a revolver cartridge (rimmed) vs. a semi-auto cartridge (rimless) you usually don't see a mix between the two types. A revolver cartridge has a rim designed to limit how far the cartridge goes into the cylinder and the rim of semi-auto is flush with the rest of the casing to allow the cartridges to stack level in the magazine. Some revolvers have been designed with special cylinders to allow 9mm or .45ACP semi-auto rounds. I've only been able to find one revolver made to accept the .380 semi-auto round and that is the 5-shot Taurus 380.

LE has stated that the killer used a revolver as a semi-auto would have ejected the spent cartridges at the scene and none were found. And we don't see the killer picking up empty shell casings. So it would seem to make sense the killer used a .38 or.357 magnum caliber revolver and not a .380 semi-auto. The Taurus .380 revolver is a very uncommon gun.

I would have thought a ballistics technician, by weighing the bullet would be able to tell if they had a .380, 9mm or .357 magnum/.38 special. All are ROUGHLY the same diameter, .357 inches (.38 spl and .357 magnum) and .355 (9mm and .380). (How the .357 diameter revolver round came to be known as the .38 and not .36 dates back to the 1800's.) The old Smith & Wesson .38 cartridge used a .360 or .361 diameter round.

I posed this question to a gun store person familiar with rounds and he stated it is possible to use a .380 bullet in a .38 special case, but you can't buy them that way. In order to get one like that you would have to handload the cartridge yourself. But he also stated that due to the two thousandths of inch difference it would not be a very accurate cartridge. Of course, given the distance the killer is working with accuracy shouldn't be an issue.

 

[DeDee]

Cool Kat yelp review comments are prob not important but are interesting. I'm finally listening to SB's interview on Roula Ryan's podcast Published Sep 1, 2021, 10:17 AM about the coffee, he's missing his wife, Liz.

Due to the difference in the design of a revolver cartridge (rimmed) vs. a semi-auto cartridge (rimless) you usually don't see a mix between the two types. A revolver cartridge has a rim designed to limit how far the cartridge goes into the cylinder and the rim of semi-auto is flush with the rest of the casing to allow the cartridges to stack level in the magazine. Some revolvers have been designed with special cylinders to allow 9mm or .45ACP semi-auto rounds. I've only been able to find one revolver made to accept the .380 semi-auto round and that is the 5-shot Taurus 380.

LE has stated that the killer used a revolver as a semi-auto would have ejected the spent cartridges at the scene and none were found. And we don't see the killer picking up empty shell casings. So it would seem to make sense the killer used a .38 or.357 magnum caliber revolver and not a .380 semi-auto. The Taurus .380 revolver is a very uncommon gun.

I would have thought a ballistics technician, by weighing the bullet would be able to tell if they had a .380, 9mm or .357 magnum/.38 special. All are ROUGHLY the same diameter, .357 inches (.38 spl and .357 magnum) and .355 (9mm and .380). (How the .357 diameter revolver round came to be known as the .38 and not .36 dates back to the 1800's.) The old Smith & Wesson .38 cartridge used a .360 or .361 diameter round.

I posed this question to a gun store person familiar with rounds and he stated it is possible to use a .380 bullet in a .38 special case, but you can't buy them that way. In order to get one like that you would have to handload the cartridge yourself. But he also stated that due to the two thousandths of inch difference it would not be a very accurate cartridge. Of course, given the distance the killer is working with accuracy shouldn't be an issue.

This is perfectly written for the layman to comprehend. Thank you for taking the time.

Many hunters fill their own shells in preparation for hunting season. I think those are shotgun shells though.

This is a Colt .357 Magnum image but does not reflect the way I see the weapon in the hand of the killer on cctv.
Is this similar in size to the firearm in which the killer is using for I felt that gun had a stainless barrel for some reason? Maybe shorter barrel?




Colt Python .357 Magnum caliber revolver for sale.

* Not at all endorsing a brand but using as a sample for purposes of size

Only my thoughts and opinions on these matters of concern.

 

[DeDee]

This video is when the reward of $50,000 was announced 9 months ago. icymi

 

[iamnotagolem]

Cool Kat yelp review comments are prob not important but are interesting. I'm finally listening to SB's interview on Roula Ryan's podcast Published Sep 1, 2021, 10:17 AM about the coffee, he's missing his wife, Liz.



This is perfectly written for the layman to comprehend. Thank you for taking the time.

Many hunters fill their own shells in preparation for hunting season. I think those are shotgun shells though.

This is a Colt .357 Magnum image but does not reflect the way I see the weapon in the hand of the killer on cctv.
Is this similar in size to the firearm in which the killer is using for I felt that gun had a stainless barrel for some reason? Maybe shorter barrel?


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Colt Python .357 Magnum caliber revolver for sale.

* Not at all endorsing a brand but using as a sample for purposes of size

Only my thoughts and opinions on these matters of concern.

Most ammo can be reloaded, shotguns are primarily used for hunting birds.

 

[arielilane]

Liz Barraza

Links to Press and Media

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whokilledlizbarraza.com

 

[smeck]

I like that there are still people thinking about Liz and her murder. I am hoping for that big tip to come in soon so this case can be resolved.

 

[Quiet Time]

Would someone point me in the direction of EL's mom's reaction to SB's reactions concerning her death?

TIA

 

[DeDee]

Would someone point me in the direction of EL's mom's reaction to SB's reactions concerning her death?

TIA

@Quiet Time I am not sure what you are specifically referring to but it sounds like it would be interesting for many of us. Can you elaborate upon the request, please? TIA

My apologies. Who is EL?

 

[Quiet Time]

@Quiet Time I am not sure what you are specifically referring to but it sounds like it would be interesting for many of us. Can you elaborate upon the request, please? TIA

My apologies. Who is EL?

Oops,, I meant EB (Elizabeth B)

What her mother's reaction was to SB's reaction upon hearing of EB murder. Does she believe him?
I'm wanting to read her response.

T.Y.

 

[Cryptic]

Is it statically impossible for a revolver to fire a .380 bullet?

The revolver would need to be designed to fire 9mm. This cartridge has never been popular with revolvers.

And now, a long parade of "buts"....

But..... various manufacturers have and do make 9mm revolvers. But.... they are rare. But... in the days of the internet searches, they can be easily purchased- if one knows they exist and wants one.

But.... a casual, or even a moderate level gun enthusiast, can go to an awful lot of stores, gun shows and pawnshops with out ever seeing one.

Likewise, the shooter would need to know that a 9mm weapon can also fire .380. This fact is by no means an "atomic secret"- especially with the internet. But... but nearly all casual gun owners and even a a certain number of recreational shooters would be unlikely to know of the concept.

The final answer could be a murky: "No, not impossible, but not very likely in the day to day sense".