GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[imstilla.grandma]

While many saw the act as an extension of forgiveness, Allison doesn't. "What he did today, was remarkable, and he did it all on his own," she said. "What Brandt did was to cleanse his heart towards Amber … I do not want it to be misconstrued as complete forgiveness of everybody."

"There is a lot that has to be done by the Dallas Police Department, by the Texas Rangers and the police department," she said. The family's attorney also hopes to see legislation in Botham's name that reflects additional training for police officers.

As for forgiving Gugyer? "I'm getting closer to it," she said.
Botham Jean's Mother Says Son Hugged Amber Guyger Isn't Forgiveness

 

[CrimeDawg123]

While many saw the act as an extension of forgiveness, Allison doesn't. "What he did today, was remarkable, and he did it all on his own," she said. "What Brandt did was to cleanse his heart towards Amber … I do not want it to be misconstrued as complete forgiveness of everybody."

"There is a lot that has to be done by the Dallas Police Department, by the Texas Rangers and the police department," she said. The family's attorney also hopes to see legislation in Botham's name that reflects additional training for police officers.

As for forgiving Gugyer? "I'm getting closer to it," she said.
Botham Jean's Mother Says Son Hugged Amber Guyger Isn't Forgiveness

That feels like sheer honesty to me.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

People’s understandings about the police are going to be based on their own experiences with the police,” Butler said. “The more typical case is when the officer is on-duty and the victim is not as sympathetic, and the officer is seen by many white folks as ‘just trying to do his job.’ We’re still a long way from equal justice under the law.”

The AP-NORC poll of 1,286 adults was conducted Sept. 20-23 using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 3.8 percentage points. Respondents were first selected randomly using address-based sampling methods and later were interviewed online or by phone.
Poll: Most say whites treated more fairly by police - The Lima News

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Wishbone]

Am I the only one here that doesn't think that this is a racially motivated murder?

I actually think that she was tired, distracted and mad because her married lover/partner wouldn't come up to her apartment to satisfy her "needs."

She entered the wrong apartment (through a defective door), saw a man sitting on a couch, eating ice cream. She shouted at him and immediately drew her weapon and aimed to kill, without really looking around to see if it was her apartment or thinking of alternatives (like exiting).

I think that she would have done this to any target. This target just happened to be black.

I also think that this apartment complex needs to be held liable. Didn't they say that it was found that the electronic plates in floor were put in wrong causing the door to latch sometimes and sometimes not latch? That along with those apartments looking so much alike are an accident waiting to happen.

I understand the politics behind wanting to make this strictly a racially motivated crime, but I just don't believe this to be the case. That's just my opinion.

I don't think that AG will be a danger to our society once she serves her prison sentence, especially, if she is never allowed to own a weapon or be in a position of authority again.

It's just sad that this young man had to lose his life. I personally hold AG AND the apartment complex responsible.

JMO.

"I think that she would have done this to any target. This target just happened to be black."





I don't believe she shouted anything before she murdered Botham, because she lies. There could have been anyone sitting in that apartment. Maybe a mother and child. Think that would have stopped her? Or how about this: A whole gang of thugs just waiting for her to open the door thinking it was her apartment and then surprise surprise, pop a cap on her. That makes as much sense as her story. Oh, and don't forget the wild shot that went toward the apartment next door. No problem, she was scared. Not a danger?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Theodore M. Shaw, Director of the UNC Center for Civil Rights, says the interaction between family and defendant was very unusual for a sentencing proceeding.

"My first reaction was probably a reaction a lot of black folks are having, often African-Americans are more forgiving of others that are in a similar situation," he said. "If you just changed the color of the actors and have the same facts, I think you’d see a very different reaction at a sentencing."

"I have preached #forgiveness for 25 years, BUT using the willingness of Black people to forgive as an excuse to further victimize Black people is SINFUL," tweeted Cornell William Brooks, Professor of the Practice of Public Leadership and Social Justice at the Harvard Kennedy School.

However, as a civil rights lawyer with decades of experience, Shaw said he also understands the burden that comes with anger and ultimately doesn't think that it undercuts civil rights causes.

"It's not unheard of for people, regardless of their race, to come to a point where they decide they need to forgive," Shaw said. "If not only for the person’s sake whom they’re forgiving, but more importantly for their own sake.”
Forgiveness in the courtroom: The power of a hugging a killer in the courtroom

 

[Hope4More]

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Amber Guyger's legal team could appeal, experts say

Legal experts believe Amber Guyger's team of lawyers will appeal her 10 year prison sentence.

Heath Harris, a former prosecutor, told Fox News that he believes Guyger's attorney will push for a new trial.

'They're gonna throw everything, just like they did in this trial,' Harris said.

'They're going to throw everything they have at the appellate court, hoping something sticks, hoping something gives them another chance at retrying this case.'
Botham Jean's parents speak to church after Amber Guyger sentence | Daily Mail Online

Well, the decision about whether or not to appeal will serve as a good indication of Amber's potential for redemption, and whether or not the compassion of Jean's family meant anything to her.

Deciding to appeal means depriving the Jeans of their ability to grieve fully, in private and in peace, and to place their focus solely on remembering and honoring their son, brother, grandson.

My guess is she WILL appeal.

 

[Nadi]

I agree, and I wonder why some posters are still trying to stir the hate up. It's over...finished. move on to a case that deserves all this vitriol.

Maybe the posters that still find value in the continuing dialog should stay and those posters that feel "It's over .... finished." should be the ones to move on to other cases.

 

[10ofRods]

It would be very difficult to prove "racial motivation" one way or another, in any trial. Texas doesn't require such a discussion in the courtroom. I'm not sure what any of you would think constitute proof of the contents of AG's mind, but personally, I don't read minds. Racism is something that is either experienced by the object of the racism or known in the heart of the racist. There's no way to "prove" it.

However, we do know that average sentences for US citizens vary according to sex and race, given the same categories of crime. We also know that sex and race influence whether a cop will pull the trigger of a weapon (or pull someone over). These are just statistical formulations, but they can't be ignored. Anyway, it doesn't really matter whether we on WS think anything is "racially motivated" and I'm not sure why it's such a topic here.

Our views on that matter are irrelevant to the case and were not at issue in the trial.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I never comment on anything on Twitter but yesterday, under a video of Brandt Jean I posted "such a beautiful family." Just a selection of the replies I received:

"Do you forgive the people who did 9/11"

"What would you know (insert slur about my skin colour here...)"

"You are what is wrong with the world."

These are just a few of the more pleasant ones.

I've never said I forgive AG, that's not for me. I just see a beautiful family who have been through an enormous loss and want to send my condolences to them. Why do people do this? What does it achieve?

I probably should have known better.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"[Brandt Jean] decided that he thought his brother would've wanted him to forgive and none of us can judge that," Whoopi Goldberg said on "The View" Thursday. "We'll always have to ask the question: 'Could we be so big?' I don't know if I could be."

"I also feel like if you can't wake up in the morning and believe that people can evolve, people can change their ways and the way that they think, then how do you go about your day?" she said. "More than anything, what I saw with him was, 'I want to forgive you, I want to take the hate out of me, so I can continue living my life.'"

"That was problematic," Hostin said. "I suspect people may question her impartiality — [they] may question her on appeal. So I've never quite seen a judge do something like that."

"To me, there are some crimes that are too heinous that they are unforgivable," Behar said, naming the Holocaust and child molestation as examples. "I think that to hold on to the rage gives you strength also. I'm not sure you have to forgive so quickly."
'The View' weighs in after brother of Botham Jean forgives, hugs ex-cop Amber Guyger

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Black Protester Pulled to Ground, Arrested after Amber Guyger Sentence

Safiya Paul, 31, was arrested on charges she obstructed a highway or passageway, police told Atlanta Black Star in an email Thursday.

“Let her go. Let her go,” another protester shouted at police.

Police said in a public statement protesters assembled around 6:30 p.m. at the Frank Crowley Courts Building and they marched into the streets, “blocking traffic in all directions” at Riverfront Boulevard and Commerce Street.

“Warnings were given and police response teams were called to the scene,” police said in the statement.

“The men and women of the Dallas Police Department show up everyday with integrity, professionalism and dedication to protecting the residents of this community,” Hall said, “and it doesn’t reflect where I want to take this organization along with my command staff.”
https://atlantablackstar.com/2019/1...tures-rough-arrest-of-amber-guyger-protester/

 

[Hraefn]

Well, the decision about whether or not to appeal will serve as a good indication of Amber's potential for redemption, and whether or not the compassion of Jean's family meant anything to her.

Deciding to appeal means depriving the Jeans of their ability to grieve fully, in private and in peace, and to place their focus solely on remembering and honoring their son, brother, grandson.

My guess is she WILL appeal.

Ehhh IDK. I get that sentiment. But AG has legal professionals who will advise her and this case was truly first of its kind. I expect an appeal in a legal sense for sure. Her attorneys have a duty to provide her the utmost effective assistance of counsel and we ALL should want that. I hope they do not appeal as a human with emotions and empathy, but legally I think most attorneys would advise her to. It’s a really, really tough decision but it is also her right as a US citizen.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"There is much to be done by the city of Dallas," she said. "The corruption that we saw during this process must stop."

Instant absolution minimizes the magnitude of injustice. It distracts attention from the systemic change needed to prevent such tragedies from occurring.

The same Bible that urges forgiveness also urges justice.

"Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow." (Isaiah 1:17).
White Christians, do not cheapen the hug and message of forgiveness from Botham Jean's brother

 

[Wishbone]

Not in my opinion. She is a very immature, self-focused young lady, worried about herself. She should never have been on the police force.

She was in a panic, worried about what she did in the spur of the moment, without thinking, worried about her job, worried about her life, worried about me, me, me...It's sad, but that is what I think. Nothing about race.

Oh, and about her texts. Not meant to be racist. More immaturity.

Immaturity? The age of majority is 18 years. Some say the age of brain maturity is around 25. She was 30 years old. If she isn't mature by 30 then she has some serious problems. There's no excuse for what she did and it isn't immature.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

After Amber Guyger verdict, how far have we come since a Dallas cop killed Santos Rodriguez in 1973?

Dallas judge's hug not embraced by all after officer's trial

Botham Jean’s Brother Hugged & Forgave Cop Who Murdered Him, Twitter Is Disgusted

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The Freedom From Religion Foundation on Thursday filed a complaint against Kemp with the Texas state agency that investigates allegations of judicial misconduct.

The Wisconsin-based group said Kemp went too far after Guyger was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Guyger was convicted of fatally shooting her neighbor, Botham Jean, in his apartment.

Kemp has also been criticized by activists who wondered whether a black defendant would get the same treatment.
Kemp's Hug Not Embraced by All After Guyger's Trial

 

[turaj]

The Freedom From Religion Foundation on Thursday filed a complaint against Kemp with the Texas state agency that investigates allegations of judicial misconduct.

The Wisconsin-based group said Kemp went too far after Guyger was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Guyger was convicted of fatally shooting her neighbor, Botham Jean, in his apartment.

Kemp has also been criticized by activists who wondered whether a black defendant would get the same treatment.
Kemp's Hug Not Embraced by All After Guyger's Trial

somehow I am not surprised by this...Judge Kemp could have done this back in her chambers and same with the victim's family. Same result and no controversy. Frankly the way this display went down at the end of the trial this is what people are talking about and she will now have one after another formal complaint.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Immaturity? The age of majority is 18 years. Some say the age of brain maturity is around 25. She was 30 years old. If she isn't mature by 30 then she has some serious problems. There's no excuse for what she did and it isn't immature.

If you have read my other posts, I also said that she has serious problems and should never have been on the police force. I still think that she was immature, self-centered and self-focused as in selfish. Her interests mattered above all else.

 

[Hope4More]

Ehhh IDK. I get that sentiment. But AG has legal professionals who will advise her and this case was truly first of its kind. I expect an appeal in a legal sense for sure. Her attorneys have a duty to provide her the utmost effective assistance of counsel and we ALL should want that. I hope they do not appeal as a human with emotions and empathy, but legally I think most attorneys would advise her to. It’s a really, really tough decision but it is also her right as a US citizen.

You're right, of course, about her rights and about the duty of her attorneys.

My post was a unfortunate lapse into the sardonic, triggered by so much emphasis being placed on the legally irrelevant notion of "redemption."