TX - Gunman in Hijacked Mail Truck, multiple victims, Midland/Odessa, 31 August 2019

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, weapons are easy to get illegally, I was just asking if that was what the background check was for and if he had gotten the weapon just recently.
So the answer to both is yes, I guess. Imo

Unfortunately you are 100 percent right. They are easier to obtain because none even have to go through any kind background check, and they are cheaper when bought on the streets as well.

Imo, it's pretty certain that the 7 victims who were murdered, and the 36 other victims who were injured this past weekend in Chicago alone... were done by violent offenders who had illegally obtained firearms.

Imoo

 

[Gardenista]

The West Texas shooting suspect applied to get a gun, but failed a background check. Now the ATF is trying to figure out how he got the weapon: https://cnn.it/2zHejBZ

 

[margarita25]

I’ve heard in cases about people often getting a gun from someone they know, friend or family member.

I also wonder about pawn shops, how strict some of them are. I would think they’re supposed to be strict about that, as all gun retailers. Again, I wonder about individual state variances as related to this national dilemma, moo.

The West Texas shooting suspect applied to get a gun, but failed a background check. Now the ATF is trying to figure out how he got the weapon: https://cnn.it/2zHejBZ

Ahaha lol so are we.

Here are my 3 guesses, I favor 1 and 2 over 3:

1) Gun Show
2) Someone he knows/friend or family member gave it or sold it to him
3) Pawn Shop

And of course there’s the Internet black market but


Wait...

Maybe he made it. Assembled it from various parts, etc or made it. Custom Weapon.

Looking at his property again-is there a Work shed / garage?

They said “AR-“type””—-is that correct?

I wonder also if he even made his own ammo. .223...

Hmmmm...mooooo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Has anyone read/heard anything about the shooter calling 911 DURING his shooting spree? I listened to a news story this evening and I'm sure that is what was reported, but now I can't find it.

jmo

I dont know if it was during the killing spree, but I did hear on the news that when he lost his job he did call 911. IDRK, but it sounded like it may have been a day or two before.

I'm sure news articles will be online soon explaining it further.

Jmho

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok nooowwwwwww we’re maybe getting somewhere, moo.

Here’s a question then.

In the states that do require background checks, do they implement these faithfully at the gun shows?

Idk, just a tangent...

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So what all states require background checks?

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If a shooter has no prior flags he’ll pass the bg check anyway. Many of them don’t have criminal records, moo.

Well, I'll have to check, but I think there are only about 5 or 6 states that actually DO require a background check at gun shows.
Not sure how much it's implemented.

Imo

 

[margarita25]

I dont know if it was during the killing spree, but I did hear on the news that when he lost his job he did call 911. IDRK, but it sounded like it may have been a day or two before.

I'm sure news articles will be online soon explaining it further.

Jmho

Hi OBE

“Both Ator and his employer, Journey Oilfield Services, called 911 right after the firing, Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said.

"Basically, they were complaining on each other because they had a disagreement over the firing," Gerke said at a press conference Monday.

Shortly before being stopped by a Department of Public Safety trooper, Ator also called the FBI national tip line, but he made "no threats of any type of violence," Gerke said.

That changed during the shooting spree, when Ator called 911 twice. In those calls, he was telling the dispatcher that "he's the guy doing it," Combs said.”

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/02/us/west-texas-shooting-monday/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

 

[MsBetsy]

I dont know if it was during the killing spree, but I did hear on the news that when he lost his job he did call 911. IDRK, but it sounded like it may have been a day or two before.

I'm sure news articles will be online soon explaining it further.

Jmho

He called after he had been fired, (as did his boss) 15 minutes before the traffic stop, and also during the shooting. There was an article posted earlier that said when he called 911 during the shooting he said, "I'm the one who's doing it." Imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I’ve heard in cases about people often getting a gun from someone they know, friend or family member.

I also wonder about pawn shops, how strict some of them are. I would think they’re supposed to be strict about that, as all gun retailers. Again, I wonder about individual state variances as related to this national dilemma, moo.



Ahaha lol so are we.

Here are my 3 guesses, I favor 1 and 2 over 3:

1) Gun Show
2) Someone he knows/friend or family member
3) darn just forgot it, it wasn’t internet...


Wait...

Maybe he made it. Assembled it from various parts, etc or made it. Custom.

Looking at his property again

I dont know how it works in this state, but when I won a .223 rifle.. that I gave to my hubby, I had to pick it up at one of the pawn shops. It was brand new since they sell both. I had to produce ID, thumbprint,and they ran a FBI criminal background check, which I passed with flying colors btw. Lol!

At any gun show in my area the same paperwork is done ,and filed as buying them from a local gun shop. They run criminal background checks as well.

The criminal background process has become faster in recent years since gun dealers are able to send the application information immediately directly to the FBI via the internet who have many agents on duty to handle the influx of applications.

Jmho

 

[margarita25]

I dont know how it works in this state, but when I won a .223 rifle that I gave to my hubby, I had to pick it up a one of the pawn shops. It was brand new since they sell both. I had to produce ID, and they ran a FBI criminal background check, which I passed with flying colors btw. Lol!

At any gun show in my area the same paperwork is done ,and filed as buying them from a local gun shop. They run criminal background checks as well.

The criminal background process has become faster in recent years since gun dealers are able to send the application information immediately directly to the FBI who has many agents on duty to handle the influx of applications.

Jmho

Thank you for this excellent information.

 

[Footwarrior]

Pawn shops that handle firearms must have a Federal Firearms license. They do background checks just like any other gun store.

Under Federal law it is legal for a private person to sell a firearm without a background check as long as the seller does not know the buyer is prohibited from owning a firearm.

Some states require background checks for private sales. Texas does not.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It reminded me of when my hubby's coworkers was murdered in Jacksonville, Florida by his soon to be his exwife.

She went to a local licensed gun dealer telling him she wanted to purchase the weapon for protection. He did not believe her, and felt something was unusual about her statements, and mannerims. He refused to sell her any firearm, which is always their right.

So instead she goes over to their neighbor lying that she needed to borrow his gun because she had seen a poisonous snake close to their front door. He believed her.

When Kevin was leaving for work the next day she shot him 6 times in the back..stood over him, and shot him in the head.

She is doing LWOP for first degree murder, and their children testified in court against her as to her being so abusive to their dad all through their 18 year marriage. The judge had just given him full custody of the children, and the divorce would have been finalized 2 days after she murdered him.

It painfully shows that anyone hellbent on murdering anyone will always find a way to do so.

Jmho

 

[margarita25]

Qmfr:

Hi OBE
Snip

“Shortly before being stopped by a Department of Public Safety trooper, Ator also called the FBI national tip line, but he made "no threats of any type of violence," Gerke said.

That changed during the shooting spree, when Ator called 911 twice. In those calls, he was telling the dispatcher that "he's the guy doing it," Combs said.”

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/02/us/west-texas-shooting-monday/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

I wonder what he said to the FBI...

 

[PommyMommy]

Travis Bubenik on Twitter
From one West Texas sheriff’s Facebook, reacting to the Odessa shooting: “This is not about ridiculous politics or the fight on gun control. Instead it's about keeping yourself or your family safe [in] this chaotic world that we find ourselves living in.”Terrell County Sheriff's Office
8:49 AM - 3 Sep 2019

 

[MsBetsy]

Qmfr:



I wonder what he said to the FBI...

Apparently he was rambling on about "some of the atrocities" he had gone through.
Sounds like he had a troubled past. Or at least had a history of mental health issues.
Have we heard anything at all about any family members? No parents? Imo

 

[PommyMommy]

SEP 2, 2019
Gunman in West Texas shooting had been fired from job, denied a gun through background check, officials say
[...]

Gerke said the gunman, Seth Aaron Ator, had gone to work Saturday morning at Journey Oilfield Services and was there for a short time before he was fired.

Afterward, he and his employer called 911 to report a disagreement over the termination, but Ator had left before Odessa officers arrived.

[...]

About 15 minutes before his encounter with troopers, the man called a national FBI tip line but did not make any threats, FBI Special Agent-in-Charge Christopher Combs said Monday.

"It was, frankly, rambling statements about some of the atrocities he felt he had gone through," Combs said.

The troopers were not actively looking for Ator's car when he was pulled over, Gerke said.

[...]

 

[enelram]

Apparently he was rambling on about "some of the atrocities" he had gone through.
Sounds like he had a troubled past. Or at least had a history of mental health issues.
Have we heard anything at all about any family members? No parents? Imo

heavy.com had some info about parents-
lived in separate cities in Tx. Showed a pic of father's "upscale" home.
nothing else other than the year of their divorce,

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Odessa, Texas Shooting Victims (2019)

 

[margarita25]

It seems like AmeriCANS are AmeriCANTS

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I hope you’re not referrring to my post. And please don’t insult Americans. I’m being realistic based on the statistics. I did say we can try though and achieve some progress. But it’s not just going to stop and that is an obvious reality IMO. There is no candy coating here, we are beyond that. Saying that has nothing to do with being an ”AmeriCANT” and I’m finding this term very offensive.

The reality is that this is a big problem which in MANY aspects is out of the average citizen’s control. There ARE things that we can try to focus on and improve, but reality is imo we can not fully predict some nutjob loner and where he’s going to shoot and when. So often they are off the radar. Nor can we do anything to get all of these illegal guns off the street. LE is doing all they can to get the illegal guns off the street. I’ll even pull my recent quote from ISP on illegal guns and trying to get them off the street. Even if gun owners give up their guns, it’s not going to stop Joe Schmo...but if it did, many people would give up their guns.

I’ve been thinking about your question re: why is it just USA and I’ve been wanting to respond because it is a great question and point; you and I have had some good collective brainstorming discussions on profiling, etc in past shooter threads.

I really want to know what the answer is, we all do, and I am SO OPEN to hearing everything, with it of course not going into a nightmare discussion for the mods or anything that violates TOS. Respectful adult discussions, not insults. We are at the point where we are here in a new shooting thread every few days, weeks....it’s going to get worse, moo. These are based on my personal statistical projections based on stats, moo.

Human, in your opinion, how do we get rid of the guns EVEN IF WE WANT TO? You can make the dang things...I am waiting to see now if this “AR-type”and .225 is custom!

I’m all about hearing solutions and hearing all aspects. I think most of us here are. But it’s a lot easier said than done to just eliminate all the guns even if we want to. I’m realistically saying there’s a black market, etc etc, and MANY crazy people. How do we control these people? We can’t even identify/predict them before they go on their rampages.

 

[enelram]

Records indicate accused Midland-Odessa mass shooter's parents own property in San Antonio
not sure if this info is accurate but previous article said parents were divorced and
his mother lived in Amarillo.

 

[enelram]

AAtor SAtor's Seth Ator: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
so if SA was born in '82, his parents divorced in '87 when SA was 5 yrs. old,
did growing up without a father affect him negatively and contribute to his anger
and dysfunction? SA also had a younger sister who has died.