TX - Gunman in Hijacked Mail Truck, multiple victims, Midland/Odessa, 31 August 2019

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One slight thing imo I think people can do is keep their eyes open for SM profiles that are hinky and report them, moo. But even then, if LE takes a look, they can’t do anything sometimes until a crime is committed. But at least this person will be on someone's Watchlist.
 
Pawn shops that handle firearms must have a Federal Firearms license. They do background checks just like any other gun store.

Under Federal law it is legal for a private person to sell a firearm without a background check as long as the seller does not know the buyer is prohibited from owning a firearm.

Some states require background checks for private sales. Texas does not.

From above:

“Under Federal law it is legal for a private person to sell a firearm without a background check as long as the seller does not know the buyer is prohibited from owning a firearm.”

Good information, thanks Footwarrior (PS, (one of) the NOCO shooter has a hearing today, FYI.)

ETA:

Speaking of nut jobs, shootings and SM: You guys should have seen the NOCO shooter’s FB. Crazy nutjob. Flags everywhere, moo. Keep your eyes open folks.

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ETA 2:


Darn, getting an ad wall after first paraphrase.

“ODESSA, Texas — MR (snippped by me) remembers the oil field truck driver who lived at the Peppertree Place Apartments. He had the phrase “Oilfield Mafia” displayed on the back window of his blue Dodge Challenger. And he liked to party — neighbors complained that women made frequent visits at all hours of the night to his apartment.”

That’s a new one..frequent women? Can’t say I’ve heard that before with a mass shooter, anyone?

Prostitution? Or just friends? Drugs?




ETA 3:

(Sorta O/T, you know how AA, killer of Mackenzie Lueck, is all over the board crime wise? Well I was thinking about the AR in this case and remembered an AR, IIRC, was seized from AA’s house. That is scary too.)
 
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From above:

“Under Federal law it is legal for a private person to sell a firearm without a background check as long as the seller does not know the buyer is prohibited from owning a firearm.”

Good information, thanks Footwarrior (PS, (one of) the NOCO shooter has a hearing today, FYI.)

ETA:

Speaking of nut jobs, shootings and SM: You guys should have seen the NOCO shooter’s FB. Crazy nutjob. Flags everywhere, moo. Keep your eyes open folks.

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Darn, getting an ad wall after first paraphrase.

“ODESSA, Texas — MR (snippped by me) remembers the oil field truck driver who lived at the Peppertree Place Apartments. He had the phrase “Oilfield Mafia” displayed on the back window of his blue Dodge Challenger. And he liked to party — neighbors complained that women made frequent visits at all hours of the night to his apartment.”

That’s a new one..frequent women? Can’t say I’ve heard that before with a mass shooter, anyone?

Prostitution? Or just friends? Drugs?
A neighbor who went into a former home of shooter said it was loaded w/ pornographic material like she'd never seen. (from linked
article SA Express above)
Article also said his older sister committed suicide in 2015 after graduating from Texas A&M.
Same article said he was a heavy partyer and
heavy drinker. this would align with his previous arrest for public intoxication.
 
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From above:


Texas Gunman: From Small-Time Troublemaker to Mass Killer:
Darn, getting an ad wall after first paraphrase.

@margarita25

Sort of off-topic but when I cannot access a full article I have learned to click the three lines in the link and it often will open just the text of the full article (see the part circled in blue?)

I wasn't fast enough this time, so I refreshed the page and clicked asap and I was able to read it.

The same article is also at another site that limits how many free articles we can read each month, but you might be able to access it the same way: Texas Gunman: From Small-Time Troublemaker to Mass Killer
 

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Sort of off-topic but when I cannot access a full article I have learned to click the three lines in the link and it often will open just the text of the full article (see the part circled in blue?)

I wasn't fast enough this time, so I refreshed the page and clicked asap and I was able to read it.

The same article is also at another site that limits how many free articles we can read each month, but you might be able to access it the same way: Texas Gunman: From Small-Time Troublemaker to Mass Killer

Same here--it's called Reader View. For those do not have Reader View built into their browser, visit the extension store for your browser and add on one of the more popular ones. I sometimes use the Just Read extension and it works great.
 
Odessa gunman purchased weapon in private sale: report

Odessa gunman purchased weapon in private sale: report

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) had earlier stated that Seth Ator had failed a background check for a previous gun purchase and did not undergo one for the weapon used in the shooting, while authorities had said he had been flagged as a “prohibited person” legally prohibited from owning or buying a firearm.

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He failed the background check so where did he get the weapon?
There are two common sources:

A. Private sale, non commercial seller: Such sales do not need a back ground check as the seller is not required to have a FFL. My vague impression is that though the number of people selling weapons in this fashion has declined and some fire arms sales venues don't host such sales, such sellers can still be found if one looks around.

B. Privately Assembled Weapon: Individual buys the parts to a weapon, then assembles them privately. Some parts such as the bolt cannot technically be purchased ready to install, but can be sold “80/20” where they can be finished in a few easy steps. There are guides on line and some libertarian type groups even host “build parties” to help people with the assembly / finishing of "ghost guns". My impression is that the number of people offering such assistance has also declined.
 
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I hope you’re not referrring to my post. And please don’t insult Americans. I’m being realistic based on the statistics. I did say we can try though and achieve some progress. But it’s not just going to stop and that is an obvious reality IMO. There is no candy coating here, we are beyond that. Saying that has nothing to do with being an ”AmeriCANT” and I’m finding this term very offensive.

The reality is that this is a big problem which in MANY aspects is out of the average citizen’s control. There ARE things that we can try to focus on and improve, but reality is imo we can not fully predict some nutjob loner and where he’s going to shoot and when. So often they are off the radar. Nor can we do anything to get all of these illegal guns off the street. LE is doing all they can to get the illegal guns off the street. I’ll even pull my recent quote from ISP on illegal guns and trying to get them off the street. Even if gun owners give up their guns, it’s not going to stop Joe Schmo...but if it did, many people would give up their guns.

I’ve been thinking about your question re: why is it just USA and I’ve been wanting to respond because it is a great question and point; you and I have had some good collective brainstorming discussions on profiling, etc in past shooter threads.

I really want to know what the answer is, we all do, and I am SO OPEN to hearing everything, with it of course not going into a nightmare discussion for the mods or anything that violates TOS. Respectful adult discussions, not insults. We are at the point where we are here in a new shooting thread every few days, weeks....it’s going to get worse, moo. These are based on my personal statistical projections based on stats, moo.

Human, in your opinion, how do we get rid of the guns EVEN IF WE WANT TO? You can make the dang things...I am waiting to see now if this “AR-type”and .225 is custom!

I’m all about hearing solutions and hearing all aspects. I think most of us here are. But it’s a lot easier said than done to just eliminate all the guns even if we want to. I’m realistically saying there’s a black market, etc etc, and MANY crazy people. How do we control these people? We can’t even identify/predict them before they go on their rampages.

Great post like always.

I'm not Human the poster of course.

But since the El Paso shooting LE in several jurisdictions in various states have stopped several of those planning to do mass shootings.

More, and more now people realize they must be proactive when they see any threats on the internet including the dark web, whatever that is. Or overhear them somewhere outside in public or inside their own homes or behind said family members or friends, coworkers etc.

Regular citizens are now reporting these threat plans, and LE is doing a deep dive themselves.

Most of these shooters of late couldnt keep it to themselves, and spread their intentions on the internet.

We no longer can ignore it when anyone threatens to harm anyone even if their target is only one person.

Even on FB I have often seen people threatening to kill someone over the most foolish things like just disagreeing with them. It's become surreal.

I've even reported some to FB myself, and get the ridiculous reply everytime that it didnt violate their TOS!!! WTH?? Then What DOES????

What has to drastically change too with these huge social media sites is ALL of the rules must apply to ALL.. not just conveniently targeting certain people or groups.

Imo, the answer is not to punish over 150 million law abiding gunowners because of what others are illegally willing to do, and will always do, and always have done. Jmho though.

Imo red flag laws are a good thing if we can guarantee the judicial process is fair, and happens quickly to make sure their civil rights are protected.

Imo
 
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The gunman in a West Texas rampage that left seven dead obtained his AR-style rifle through a private sale, allowing him to evade a federal background check that previously blocked him from getting a gun, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The official spoke to The Associated Press Tuesday on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Combs said Ator "showed up to work enraged" but did not point to any specific source of his anger. Ator's home on the outskirts of Odessa was a corrugated metal shack along a dirt road surrounded by trailers, mobile homes and oil pump jacks. On Monday, a green car without a rear windshield was parked out front, the entire residence cordoned off by police tape.

Combs described it as a "strange residence" that reflected "what his mental state was going into this." Combs said he did not know whether Ator had been diagnosed with any prior mental health problems.
Odessa shooter purchased rifle at private sale
 
An earlier article mentioned SA had purchased
the lot his hovel was placed on for $9800. or so.
I wonder where he got the money to buy that lot? If he couldn't hold a job, did his father give
him the money? did he get a loan? Did the lot
seller finance it for him?
Anyone know?
 
The gunman in a West Texas rampage that left seven dead obtained his AR-style rifle through a private sale, allowing him to evade a federal background check that previously blocked him from getting a gun, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The official spoke to The Associated Press Tuesday on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Combs said Ator "showed up to work enraged" but did not point to any specific source of his anger. Ator's home on the outskirts of Odessa was a corrugated metal shack along a dirt road surrounded by trailers, mobile homes and oil pump jacks. On Monday, a green car without a rear windshield was parked out front, the entire residence cordoned off by police tape.

Combs described it as a "strange residence" that reflected "what his mental state was going into this." Combs said he did not know whether Ator had been diagnosed with any prior mental health problems.
Odessa shooter purchased rifle at private sale
an earlier article said the shack had a "dirt floor". And it had a homemade tower built on the roof from which he shot his guns at night.
This guy was a ticking time bomb.
 
As families of the Odessa mass shooting victims grieve and begin plans to bury their loved ones, a Sugar Land man is trying to help.

Ben Hadden is an Odessa native. His family has an extra plot at the Sunset Memorial Gardens in town.

He posted on Facebook Sunday: “I am an OHS graduate and have a special place in my heart to firstly offer this plot to family of the young OHS student who lost her life this weekend, but of course, would be honored to donate the plot to any of the deceased victims.”
“When God is tugging on your heart, you just do it,” | Odessa native offers family plot to victims of mass shooting
 
An earlier article mentioned SA had purchased
the lot his hovel was placed on for $9800. or so.
I wonder where he got the money to buy that lot? If he couldn't hold a job, did his father give
him the money? did he get a loan?
I don't know where he got the money. But.... last year at least the west Texas oil fields were booming. The rampager worked oil field jobs and would not of needed to be employed that long to accumulate 9,800 dollars. This is especially as some companies provide housing to workers to compensate for long, physically demanding hours in remote areas.
 
Officials with Emergence Health Network (EHN), are again preparing for local residents who may have been retraumatized by news and coverage of the mass shooting in Midland/Odessa.

EHN, operators of the Community Recovery Center specifically developed to address the mental health care needs of residents in the borderland region following the event on August 3, 2019, stand ready to help once again.

“Our EHN mental health professionals are uniquely qualified to provide care to those affected by traumatic experiences, so as we mark the month anniversary of this heartbreaking incident and hear news of the most recent shooting in Midland/Odessa we know many challenging emotions can resurface or individuals can experience relived trauma,” said Kristi Daugherty, Emergence Health Network, CEO.

“We also know there could be delayed trauma, so as the Local Mental Health Authority EHN is prepared for the long haul. We have the services and staff in place to help our community heal and the Community Recovery Center is an added resource.”

“Easy access to counseling is vital right now so services offered at the Community Recovery Center are free of charge and if an individual doesn’t want to make an appointment, he or she can just walk in. We also encourage our community to continue to utilize the Crisis Hotline where they can speak to one of our mental health professionals 24/7,” said Rene Hurtado, EHN Chief of Staff.

Community Recovery Center

8730 Boeing Drive, El Paso, TX

Monday – Friday

9am – 6 pm

To schedule an appointment call: 915-242-0555

EHN Crisis Hotline and Support

915-779-1800

Emergence’s Community Recovery Center Therapists prepare for retraumatized residents following Midland/Odessa Shooting - El Paso Herald-Post
 
@margarita25

Sort of off-topic but when I cannot access a full article I have learned to click the three lines in the link and it often will open just the text of the full article (see the part circled in blue?)

I wasn't fast enough this time, so I refreshed the page and clicked asap and I was able to read it.

The same article is also at another site that limits how many free articles we can read each month, but you might be able to access it the same way: Texas Gunman: From Small-Time Troublemaker to Mass Killer

Woah, thanks Spellbound. I just learned something new. Appreciate it!

Same here--it's called Reader View. For those do not have Reader View built into their browser, visit the extension store for your browser and add on one of the more popular ones. I sometimes use the Just Read extension and it works great.

Thanks!

FBI Special Agent in Charge Christopher Combs said the shooter called the national tip line about 15 minutes before the shooting began.

"It was frankly a rambling statement about some of the atrocities he felt he had gone through he did not make a threat during that phone call," said Combs.

Officials said the ATF and other authorities were investigating how the shooter obtained his weapon.

ATF Special Agent Wester said the shooter failed a previous background check when he attempted to purchase a gun.
LIVE: Authorities update Midland-Odessa shooting investigation


From above:

“It was frankly a rambling statement about some of the atrocities he felt he had gone through he did not make a threat during that phone call," said Combs.”

Thanks, I was wondering what he had said to the FBI but missed this post.

The gunman had been fired Saturday morning from his job at Journey Oil Field Services and made "rambling" phone calls to both the 911 and the FBI afterward, the investigators added.

FBI special agent Christopher Combs said the gunman had gone to work that day "in trouble."

Combs said Monday that the killer's home was "a strange residence," and that the condition "reflect what his mental state was going into this."

Before mass shooting, Texas gunman 'was on a long spiral down,' investigator says

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Before the vehicle came to a complete stop, the driver “pointed a rifle toward the rear window of his car and fired several shots” toward the patrol car stopping him, according to Texas Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger. The gunshots struck a trooper, Cesinger said, after which the gunman took off and continued shooting.

From above:

“Combs said Monday that the killer's home was "a strange residence," and that the condition "reflect what his mental state was going into this."

This is interesting. Curious to hear more.
 
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The FBI says the gunman that killed 7 people and wounded 22 others in Midland-Odessa on Saturday was on a “long spiral down” before he went on his rampage and called the FBI’s tip line just minutes before he started shooting.

That tip line can be critical in preventing tragedies. According to the agency’s website, those tips from the line, established after 9/11, have “led to captures of Top Ten fugitives and short-circuited scores of criminal and terrorist plots.”

The FBI said they got about 1,300 tips per day in a recent year, with only about 100 or so being “actionable”. However, agents say any one of those, no matter how seemingly small or unimportant, could help stop violence.

“I always like to use the analogy of a puzzle,” said Dennis Franks, a retired FBI agent who spent 22 years in the Houston office. “It’s like little pieces of a puzzle may not seem important individually, but when you put it all together, it’s extremely important. That’s what any investigation involves.”
What happens to tips submitted to the FBI?
 
I don't know where he got the money. But.... last year at least the west Texas oil fields were booming. The rampager worked oil field jobs and would not of needed to be employed that long to accumulate 9,800 dollars. This is especially as some companies provide housing to workers to compensate for long, physically demanding hours in remote areas.
Yes, your right. CDL (commercial drivers license) drivers are in high demand everywhere but especially in the oil field industry. It’s not uncommon for drivers to jump from company to company. Many companies provide sign-on bonuses as well. These drivers can make a lot of money in a short time, take a break, and then start up with another company. Most of these drivers have Hazmat and/or Tank endorsements on their CDLs, which requires a TSA hazmat threat determination. Apparently no red flags were raised regarding his CDL. MOO
 

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