TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged w/ Murder - #11

[rotterdam]

I first thought that too but now I am not so sure.

Over the years I have learned even pathological murderers will slip a little truth in among their lies.

I don't see why him coming to the door with his shirt off made her think someone was there. A lot of little boys walk around in their house without their shirts on. Yet she made a point to mention it like it stuck in her mind.

imo

I sometimes wonder when they insert a little bit of truth in their lies, they do it as a memory jogger so they can repeat the same lie over and over.

 

[Reannan]

Good point! It got dark at 5:30.
That she is cocky and believes she is invincible is evident in her actions, so maybe she was nervy enough to burn him in her secluded patio. Everyone thought the house and garage apt. were empty, so maybe she didn't even have any direct neighbors.

Here is a picture of how secluded her patio was...

 

[gypsyblue]

It would take nerve for people like us, i.e. "normal people" , but MN is anything BUT normal, and she has brass ones for kidnapping a child from his home, taking him to her home, brutally killing him, dumping his burned body, and then within a few hours, returning to the home where she had kidnapped him to sit on the couch of the grieving Mother!!! :banghead: I just remembered another case from Houston!!! In 2007 Timothy Wayne Shepard got into an argument with his girlfriend, Tynesha Stewart. He murdered her, dismembered her, and spent the next TWO DAYS trying to destroy the "evidence" by placing her dismembered body parts on two grills on the balcony of his second story apartment!!! Neighbors wondered about the smell and even asked him about it. Interestingly, Quanell X got involved in that case as well and assisted with getting him to confess. I wonder if MN worked at the apartment complex Timothy Wayne Shepard lived at??? You can google the case, but here is a link to a quick Wiki summary of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tynesha_Stewart

:sick: over him claiming the smell was "spices"....whoa
thinkin Q is there to get her to spill all...jmo

 

[blondekj]

It was reported that Jonathon was abducted, murdered and tossed aside in about four hours time.

http://www.ksat.com/news/26323834/detail.html
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http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ouston-boy-to-be-laid-to-rest-next-week-video
He will be laid to rest.

I know my reply is slow....I warned I'm kind of an up and down poster....multitasking....

Anyway, thanks for your response. It sounds like Nelson discarded Jonathan as quickly after darkness as reasonably possible.

 

[NSS]

No, I do not think Texas LE is fickle at all. But that tape discovery, after body was found, gave them a nice short window to check alibis. 2pm thru 6 pm. It was a super break in the case for LE and allowed probably for definite elimination of other parties in this case IMO. And nailed MN !!!!! Sadly, sometimes the wrong person is arrested/ convicted and/or has to live the rest of his/her life under a cloud of suspicion.Tapes are like this are even better than DNA evidence IMO. Very hard for defense to argue with or nitpick.

I totally agree with the bolded portion (BBM), there is no dispute that MN burned and disposed of the body.

As soon as the ME confirms the COD, and if that is indeed burning. Then she is done.

IF that COD is suffocation/drowning/unknown then Houston has a problem.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I know my reply is slow....I warned I'm kind of an up and down poster....multitasking....

Anyway, thanks for your response. It sounds like Nelson discarded Jonathan as quickly after darkness as reasonably possible.

Yeah, it does make sense especially if Mona was telling the truth about driving around awhile. It's not completely dark here in Houston 6 PM though but it's close. You can still see pretty well outside without a light on so she didn't wait until complete darkness.

 

[SmoothOperator]

There most likely is already a copy of the transcription from MN's probable cause hearing, but when possible I like to transcribe such things as hearings, interviews, etc just for myself to better understand..

So, am going to attach a copy of Mona Nelson's Probable Cause Hearing transcript for anyone interested in reading it{It is short and to the point..actually is only 1 page transcript}

 

[blondekj]

Yeah, it does make sense especially if Mona was telling the truth about driving around awhile. It's not completely dark here in Houston 6 PM though but it's close. You can still see pretty well outside without a light on so she didn't wait until complete darkness.

I think for some things, twilight is the ideal light to hide in. Not so dark that you need a flashlight to see (calling attention to yourself) but not bright enough to see clearly. A world of shadows.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Did a little 12 year old boy coming to the door turn this <mod edit.> (woman) on?????

Nothing would surprise me.

imo

 

[LandAuxvasse]

There was an article linked in thread #3 regarding the decision not to put out an Amber Alert and it did imply that the department would be overwhelmed with information that might not be helpful. While the article linked has changed, Reannan did snip a portion and post about it:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5941980&postcount=321"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - #3[/ame]

I agree that it would not have saved Jonathan from MN.

MOO :twocents:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've noodled a bit on her psychology, whether her say it "seemed like" someone else was there, was actually a sort of little play on words, a little clever joke she was making to herself.

Sometimes this type, like Joseph Duncan, refer to themselves when they commit these horrors as if they are a different entity. It sometimes is misunderstood or mistaken as a multiple personality. But it's not. To me, they seem to hold almost a reverence for the part of their personality that is able to commit these horrific acts.

So I've noodled whether she has that same oddity. And since she had gone back over to Jonathan's house, where his grieving and suffering parents were, for what I can only believe was an opportunity to 'enjoy' the 'fruits of her labors', whether, as I said, her reference to it "seeming like" another person was there, was actually a clever play with words, and with the minds of Jonathan's parents, on her own self, who was there to commit atrocities on their little boy.

I will be interested as this goes along to hear more about this from the experts and profilers and psychiatrists.

Just some thoughts.

Excellent reasoning BeanE. It makes a lot of sense.

IMO

 

[Crosby87]

sbm

I also think DD may have gone down for this IF poor J was never found.

She actually made NO attempt to cover her tracks from all the evidence left in her apt, the risk of being seen at J's, her stupidity picking up the phone, & the nonchalant dumping of the body.

I can't wait to hear what these "threats" were...I can't even attempt a good guess. :loser:

Mom did say she thought he may be outside playing around the complex (looked for him) which now that you mention it doesn't make much sense knowing a strange woman was there & had also made threats. :waitasec:

Detective Miller said during the Pressor that MN did make an effort to cover the evidence...

<snip>

"She did but I am not going to go through every piece of evidence that we collected; we found an incredible amount of evidence at the scene, at her residence, but I am not going to catalogue here every piece of evidence in the case but it will be for the Court and she did attempt to cover the evidence yes."

 

[Openmind]

I totally agree with the bolded portion (BBM), there is no dispute that MN burned and disposed of the body.

As soon as the ME confirms the COD, and if that is indeed burning. Then she is done.

IF that COD is suffocation/drowning/unknown then Houston has a problem.

Just curious, but is there a reason to think MN did not murder Jonathan by suffocation/drowning/or some other means. I know it is unusual, but could Jonathan have died by being tasered. It is rare but it happens.

I don't understand why MN would burn and dispose of the body for someone else and not immediately tell who that person is. Why hold onto that information if it would eliminate her as the killer? One charge is a possible death penalty, the other is a prison term.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It would take nerve for people like us, i.e. "normal people" , but MN is anything BUT normal, and she has brass ones for kidnapping a child from his home, taking him to her home, brutally killing him, dumping his burned body, and then within a few hours, returning to the home where she had kidnapped him to sit on the couch of the grieving Mother!!! :banghead: I just remembered another case from Houston!!! In 2007 Timothy Wayne Shepard got into an argument with his girlfriend, Tynesha Stewart. He murdered her, dismembered her, and spent the next TWO DAYS trying to destroy the "evidence" by placing her dismembered body parts on two grills on the balcony of his second story apartment!!! Neighbors wondered about the smell and even asked him about it. Interestingly, Quanell X got involved in that case as well and assisted with getting him to confess. I wonder if MN worked at the apartment complex Timothy Wayne Shepard lived at??? You can google the case, but here is a link to a quick Wiki summary of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tynesha_Stewart

Wasnt there another case where a girl was murdered and the other girl who murdered her pretended to support and grieve with the girl's family? I think I remember she even moved in with the murdered girl's family and all along she was the one who had murdered her.

Does anyone remember that case?

imo

 

[peeples]

Wasnt there another case where a girl was murdered and the other girl who murdered her pretended to support and grieve with the girl's family? I think I remember she even moved in with the murdered girl's family and all along she was the one who had murdered her.

Does anyone remember that case?

imo

I remember a young girl and a friend murdered 2 children I think one of the killers names was mary or something.. anyway she went over to the home of the dead child to visit with the parents and she had just murdered their child really sick

 

[Openmind]

I've noodled a bit on her psychology, whether her say it "seemed like" someone else was there, was actually a sort of little play on words, a little clever joke she was making to herself.

Sometimes this type, like Joseph Duncan, refer to themselves when they commit these horrors as if they are a different entity. It sometimes is misunderstood or mistaken as a multiple personality. But it's not. To me, they seem to hold almost a reverence for the part of their personality that is able to commit these horrific acts.

It is a great way for the perp to defer responsibility. The whole devil made me do when all along they know exactly what they are doing and are feeling powerful in their depravity.

So I've noodled whether she has that same oddity. And since she had gone back over to Jonathan's house, where his grieving and suffering parents were, for what I can only believe was an opportunity to 'enjoy' the 'fruits of her labors', whether, as I said, her reference to it "seeming like" another person was there, was actually a clever play with words, and with the minds of Jonathan's parents, on her own self, who was there to commit atrocities on their little boy.

Not only feel power for the crime she committed, but allowing her to keep track of the investigation. She not only had a front row seat to the activity, but was probably getting tidbits of inside information.

I will be interested as this goes along to hear more about this from the experts and profilers and psychiatrists.

And I bet there will be an army of experts to diagnose this woman and her crimes.

Just some thoughts.

Good thinking

 

[SummerRaye]

I have spent the last three or four days reading about this case, always catching up (it has moved so fast!!! and luckily, I dont currently have a job and am just hanging around the house with the dogs...)

I need to hear more info from LE. I know Christmas has passed and all, but I still need that gift of info before I can sit on this, cross my arms and say case closed.

The big questions are; how many times did MN go over to the house, see JF on the day that he went missing. Where did JF die? And I am tossing and turning over a motive...is there one? Or is this just a sicko person(s) who needed to do something horrible.

On that note...I have been a member of WS for awhile. I dont post much but I read EVERYTHING and I have never been more impressed with the minds of these members of this wonderful group. It is so impressive and beyond my belief at how everyone works together, flips the issues so everyone and everything can be looked at without judgement and harshness. While I hate that these great minds are brought together by horrible acts against other humans, I am just amazed at the smarts everyone has and no matter what case it is that I decide to follow and read through, I learn an awful lot about this world, the law and the compassion of people across the world.

So...Thanks Wsers! YOu guys are amazing.

Bring on the court appearance tomorrow!!! Ill be waiting!!!

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Removed by Mod, can repost with a link from msm to show what you are saying. Thanks. Ima

crap. i posted a reply and it didn't post. i'll do it again.

can i have access to my op so i can properly redo my rely?

ima: can you give me access to my op? thank you.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I totally agree with the bolded portion (BBM), there is no dispute that MN burned and disposed of the body.

As soon as the ME confirms the COD, and if that is indeed burning. Then she is done.

IF that COD is suffocation/drowning/unknown then Houston has a problem.

Why do you say that if I may ask?

A lot of cases the COD is unknown yet the DA has other compelling evidence and a conviction is the result.

I don't really think it will matter that much how she killed Jonathan or the DA proving it...except maybe in the sentencing phase if she is convicted. I think they have much more incriminating evidence than COD to get this woman onto death row.

Imo a reasonable jury will be able to comprehend that eye witnesses place Mona there at the time Jonathan disappeared and compounded by the evidence found in her home and no one else's home that ties her to the crime it wont be hard to get a conviction at all, imo.

Mona is locked into her fictitious story now. The video will show she has lied. If she was just dumping a container for someone else then why was the same twine found on Jonathan's hands and in her home? Why was he burned to death with a welding torch which LE also found in her home along with burned carpet?

Her story makes no sense because it is fabricated and the jury will see that instantly, imo.

IMO

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Removed by Mod, can repost with a link from msm to show what you are saying. Thanks. Ima

crap. i posted a reply and it didn't post. i'll do it again.

snipped :

Police knew that without a vehicle type or suspect description, a vague alert would generate a flood of information, some of it potentially useful, but much of it simply overwhelming, he said.

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link to overwhelming remark: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ing&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

lovingmom verified neighbor of jonathan's gramdma stated le told AD it was illegal to leave a child under 14 home alone. via her ws post.

HPD website http://www.houstontx.gov/police/missing.htm states a call to police is all that is necessary to report a child under the age of 17 missing. physically going to the precinct is not needed. jonathan was reported missing by ad at about 2:30pm. he was entered into hpd missing at 9:30 pm. unacceptable. had le began canvessing, which to me is such an obvious reaction to a missing child by LE - they may have saved jonathan -