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Thanks, I tried to search forum but didn't find it. And I'm probably doing this the wrong way, by jumping all over earlier parts of this thread while I haven't read this one (at least recently).I'm pretty sure it's been discussed here before, IIRC there was two shops.
I did go back and find a post I made a while back with an Arlington address. If you scroll up from there you will see an attachment posted by Wishyouknew that gives a Fort Worth address.
Post in thread 'TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5' TX - TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #5
I'm just all over the place with it.
I'm still leaning towards single murderer, yet I wrote this long long post with timeline where is actually few of them.
But there is so many points of this story where it's "either A or B (possibly but less likely C)" that it doesn't make sense to hold to just one, all possibilities should be explored in hope of maybe, maybe thinking of something relevant.
Even that concept of Thomas suddenly jumping from average guy straight into mass murderer doesn't sit well with me.
It doesn't make much sense psychologically - I think, but I have no authority there apart from reading, so it doesn't really mean anything.
No matter how angry he would be, just sight of Renee and Julie should calm him down. At least enough to wait till they'll be gone (gone back to their homes I mean) to "deal" with Rachel, and that time should give him enough time to cool off, came back to whatever senses he relied on and water it down to at best verbal abuse. Murderous rage don't last that long, it's coming back but one single event, especially with first or one of the firsts outbursts...
And here it's like either nothing, or not that much, and then, he's suddenly jumping straight into fully blossomed Richard Ramirez level of frantic?
It somehow doesn't make sense either.
One theory says that it all could start with Debra calling him and telling him that Rachel went to the mall. I don't know how reliable is that he supposedly forbade her to go there.
This already doesn't sit well with me.
Maybe it was Debra, but he doesn't say that, she doesn't say that, phone calls were not followed back then... then why it's even such a big thing?
Could happen, of course, but unless there is a reason to assume that Rachel's mother would cover for her and never mentioned the fact that Rachel asked her to go with her that morning...
Why would he need info from Debra, if he kept calling Rachel's mom, who "was with him at the workshop". It seems like pretty obvious thing to share.
First - that she's not coming cause she needs to take care of Cotton.
Second - oh, I also couldn't go to the mall, Rachel stoped by in the morning.
So, even if he stormed out right away and drove like a maniac, it'd be still good 30 minutes from him to arrive at the mall and find Rachel. That's enough to calm down at least somewhat.
Then, maybe he saw her chatting with some guy that he found more attractive than him. That could make him mad, but then he had to also see Renee and Julie. And how could that did nothing?
To not care at all, just mad rage, here and there...
Maybe dragging Rachel out could make sense, but that's another few minutes. But why drag this little girl with her? Mad rage shouldn't make him pay any attention to Julie. And seeing Renee? Why not say to both of them to get lost while he has to have a serious talk with Rachel?
Only reason to take them with him that could make sense would be to drop them off. Who takes some random companions of the person that they're mad at or want to murder? Even serial killers are not into this unless it's somehow the only way to kidnap their victim of choice, to take down the whitness/obstacle out of the way. And they're two little girls. It just doesn't make much sense. Could happen, of course. But no sense in it.
If he got her in the mall, he'd have to be able to hold himself together long enough to get them out of there, drive somewhere... and then "something" and he has to get rid of the whitnesses? Where could that even happen?
At their home?
But Renee & Julie's homes are ON the way to Rachel & Thomas home.
Why take them with him? Why not drop them off? With triple murder on his mind already?
He took them to the workshop? Some other location? To do what? Yell at Rachel in peace, or maybe beat her up... in presence of a child and teen girl?
Or was he assumming that he cooled off but got angry again? Third time in a row? In span of about an hour, in 30 minutes long cycles? Ridiculous. Nobody has this kind of stamina to at first fake cooling off cause crowd in the mall, then fake cooling off cause girls had to be pushed into the vehicle and driven somewhere... or with no cooling off, but at least an hour of holding rage... rage doesn't work like that. 20-30 minutes is enough, then person has to make a conscious decision to commit a murder, and then it's not blind rage anymore, it's premeditation.
And why? Why? Why would he so mad at Julie? With Renee it's still insane, but maybe he could get mad at her cause she was Rachel's friend and he could figure that she has "bad influence" over her. But Julie too? Julie that he likely barely knew or maybe didn't knew at all?
Of course, it's possible to figure out something, some scenario where it could happen, but it'd be so unusual.
In the same time it'd be even more improbable, that essentially botched, not very well started investigation, with so many mistakes made would be also so crazy weird.
As for 2022 thank God we had dozens and dozens of decades old cold cases solved (with murderer/s prosecuded or identified but deceased) or half-solved (with case solved but not enough actual evidence to go for court case) and many, many, so many of them seemed so crazy, so mysterious, so seemingly not-making-any-sense or even implying involvement of supernatural forces... only to show that all crazyness, unpredictability and wild theories came to be cause of:
- widespread wrong facts about the case,
- not much really being known about the case,
- legends and tell tales that grew over initial mystery.
And not one I heard of was ever really unusual. Constantly same old, same old four stories:
1. Piece of trash felt like raping.
2. Piece of trash couldn't figure how to use condoms, cause it's very hard, and slaughtering a pregnant girl or mother with kids is so much easier.
3. Piece of trash wanted money so they murdered someone.
4. Piece of trash had fragile ego that got so hurt, that the only way to get his honor back was to prove to himself, that they're not only pathetic enough to be unable to let it go but also very eager to join club for the lowest of the low and murder someone over their own frustration.
These girls had no money, insurances or possessions that anyone couldn't take away from them while alive.
If Rachel was pregnant it would be only easier to control her and get more praise from everyone around, as they seem unconditionally in love with him.
So it's either 1 or 4, that after weeding out all the false and fantasy, leaves out just yet another, repetative tragedy.
Was it a thing in US for brothels - full of kidnapped, robbed of their ID's and constantly beaten up and drugged women - to exist for decases and not being raided? It was huge thing in Europe, still an issue, but in 2000's 90's and earlier just an epidemy of it.
But they rarely were kidnapped on the streets, either fooled into believing that they're going to have a normal job away from home, or fooled by people who were pretending to be their friends or boyfriends and kidnapped only after they told their families and friends that they're moving away.
Cause the above would be the only way I see that anyone could have some "news" about girls supposedly living longer than till the day they disappeard. Nothing else could possibly keep them away from home.