TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #7

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I wonder if they interacted with each other outside of bowling.

I've also wondered if his behavior that night (at the bowling alley) was unusual in any way. Did he seem distracted, or was he hyperfocused, etc?
Spending few hours together daily usually means that people are able to tell a lot more about each other than how they acted on that day. Even not considering TT as a likely suspect, that whole bowling crowd could have knowledge about the creeps and events possibly related to the disappearance.

I wonder if ST was in the league. And who else. And if they were all teenagers and young adults or if like CA also bowled there...
 
But there is also SM not questioned for years, VB not questioned thoroughly, security chief from Sears not contacted for years and their pleas for new whitnesses 25 years later.
Seems more like they failed by thinking that they knew what happened instead of really knowing, cause how they could be so sure that those people are unable to provide leads or statements that would allow them to prove somebody's guilt?
Good point. Unless LE got so frustrated at the convoluted web being woven, they just gave up...
FWPD had other cases with  cooperative characters involved, I'm sure.
 
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On the other hand Newark is pretty close to Fort Worth... and a tiny city, which I don't expect as able to provide enough transmission and car repair business clients for such a business to go. People working in same business in Fort Worth should be at least vaguely aware of it's existence. Same general area and for sure they were operating in Fort Worth since at least 71, possibly 69.

Here's an Arnold Transmission ad from early '65.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Jan 17 1965
Pg 89

 
So they lived/owned a home in Newark (which burned down), then moved to Fort Worth and rented a small house, which they bought after Rachel married TT.
Thats as accurate as I can say.
It surprised me a bit as I'd always understood it as they had always lived in the same place, and that RW and RT had grown up together. I totally get that 5 years or so is a lifetime to teenagers, but its more the way the families talked that made me think they, RT & RW, had been around each other forever. Im not sure it matters but it was just one of those things I found out later and it surprised me.
 
Thats as accurate as I can say.
It surprised me a bit as I'd always understood it as they had always lived in the same place, and that RW and RT had grown up together. I totally get that 5 years or so is a lifetime to teenagers, but its more the way the families talked that made me think they, RT & RW, had been around each other forever. Im not sure it matters but it was just one of those things I found out later and it surprised me.
I agree. I was under the same impression.
 
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Just so I understand correctly:

*DJ volunteered his services on this case, at no charge, having followed it since the beginning.

* He then proceeded to actively
investigate the case.
(His job allowed him unrestricted access to case files, and he allegedly received death threats upon actively taking on the case).
* At some point, he offered a $25,000 reward (allegedly out of his own pocket).
(To the best of anyone's knowledge, there've been no takers)
*Also at some point, he submitted his findings to FWPD.
(In 2001, FWPD held a press conference that would seem to indicate little progress had been made in investigating the case)
Strange...
 
Good point. Unless LE got so frustrated at the convoluted web being woven, they just gave up...
FWPD had other cases with  cooperative characters involved, I'm sure.
That web didn't exist yet. Some of it probably but surely it was hundred times easier to figure how many boyfriends DA had in December of 1974 then than decades later.

And what kind of investigator gives up on three kids just cause their relatives aren't cooperative?
 
That web didn't exist yet. Some of it probably but surely it was hundred times easier to figure how many boyfriends DA had in December of 1974 then than decades later.
You would think so.
And what kind of investigator gives up on three kids just cause their relatives aren't cooperative?
I agree, but I was remembering the stunts LE and detectives pulled (accordingto RW):
"They'll show up with the Easter Bunny"
" They're in a well near Avedo, we're going to check it out" (RW followed them to a coffee shop, then back to the office)
Unless, LE and detectives  knew they were being played, and thought they'd play back. Still, that's pretty wasteful of tax-payers' money, if that was the case. IMO
 
Thats as accurate as I can say.
It surprised me a bit as I'd always understood it as they had always lived in the same place, and that RW and RT had grown up together. I totally get that 5 years or so is a lifetime to teenagers, but its more the way the families talked that made me think they, RT & RW, had been around each other forever. Im not sure it matters but it was just one of those things I found out later and it surprised me.
If it wouldn't matter, it would be transparent.
Some time ago i learned that Renee and Rachel weren't next door neighbors as I was led to believe. So i assumed that they must be in the past, before A's moved, and that A's were friends with W's.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Not friends, acquaintances who were occasionally through the A's neighbors.
Not next door neighbors ever.
They moved to FW from elsewhere... and it looks like they moved their business to FW before they moved.

But they all ended up keeping some possibly relevant info out of the spotlight.
Like why it's a mystery where the A's and W's boys were that day?
Why Julie's dad is portrayed as a distant father who abandoned the family started new life elsewhere, not interested in his kids anymore?
It seems that he lived very close WITH JULIE, taking care of her, and allegedly not supporting the other two kids while their mother struggled to earn enough to cover their basic needs?

Not hinting at their involvement but it'd make everything much clearer if it was known if they had a chance to whitness something or interacted with those who did - or if they were completely elsewhere.
 
You would think so.

I agree, but I was remembering the stunts LE and detectives pulled (accordingto RW):
"They'll show up with the Easter Bunny"
" They're in a well near Avedo, we're going to check it out" (RW followed them to a coffee shop, then back to the office)
Unless, LE and detectives  knew they were being played, and thought they'd play back. Still, that's pretty wasteful of tax-payers' money, if that was the case. IMO
Well, not once in my life I saw a shoot at promiscuous cartoon lady with big *advertiser censored* and surprised face included in news coverage about law enforcement investigating multiple kids disappearance. Then I checked this case official coverage and I did.
 
How soon after the girls went missing did TT voice that suspicion?

According to kettlecorn he thought maybe there would be a ransom demand so I don't know how much he ever voiced it but apparently he had the suspicion immediately after.

Which story-Melvin or TT?

Melvin, I don't find it hard to believe that the A's were all for TT.
 
Well, not once in my life I saw a shoot at promiscuous cartoon lady with big *advertiser censored* and surprised face included in news coverage about law enforcement investigating multiple kids disappearance. Then I checked this case official coverage and I did.
Yeah I cannot fathom what that was about and why it was there. Just bizarre.
 
I'm wondering if TT could have led people to believe that he was worth much more than what he really was.
Maybe presenting himself to people as "wealthy" opened doors for him (socially and otherwise) that personality alone didn't. I don't know if it was a factor with his first marriage, but it certainly appeared to be with his second.
 
Yeah I cannot fathom what that was about and why it was there. Just bizarre.
I was thinking maybe the news coverage team waited and whitnessed some investigators focused on reading comics instead of working and got in on tape and purposely kept it after editing cause if it was just random page of newspaper abandoned on somebody's desk (or even a piece of evidence from another case used to zoom the camera) or something like that it should go out in editing. Cause it was edited, it's not one straight, few minutes long shoot.

I wonder if anyone recognized what was that exactly, i haven't stumbled on anything similar while looking through old newspapers cause it looks significantly bigger than average newspaper comics, more like whole page thing.
Bizarre as you said.
 
I missed that (Betty Boop, I assume?)
No, it's (considering that's relatively short material) insanely long shot shown just a moment before they're showing Renee's mom, looking like she obviously cried not long before and is struggling to not burst in tears as they're recording.
Just like what the hell, could it possibly be more disrespectful?

 
According to kettlecorn he thought maybe there would be a ransom demand so I don't know how much he ever voiced it but apparently he had the suspicion immediately after.

Possibly through her sister could be how? I was just saying it's the only reason I can think of for TT to have suspected him so quickly but I probably should have said it's the first reason I think of.because there are others.
The only reason I can think of that TT would suspect DA's ex-boyfriend is that Rachel must have known him. In fact I'll go a step more and say she must have had some kind of dealings with him or connections to him.
Maybe DA got involved in drugs (using and/or selling), owed money, and couldn't pay up. Then, maybe she mentioned  TT's money, and the  Trio  became collateral. When TT couldn't (or wouldn't) come through for her, things went way South for the girls. Just a theory.
 
No, it's (considering that's relatively short material) insanely long shot shown just a moment before they're showing Renee's mom, looking like she obviously cried not long before and is struggling to not burst in tears as they're recording.
Just like what the hell, could it possibly be more disrespectful?

Maybe the cameraman was holding the camera angle down to give JW a chance to compose herself, and it was just a poorly chosen place to do so. But, yes, it  should've been edited.
 
Maybe the cameraman was holding the camera angle down to give JW a chance to compose herself, and it was just a poorly chosen place to do so. But, yes, it  should've been edited.
Separate shots before and after the booby lady, so... nope. It was placed there cause it was meant to be there.
Aaand something I haven't noticed before - that thing is lying on the... evidence table (?) while they're showing shots of unpacking undergarments found during search for the girls.
So it's not like it ended up there completely accidental, and didn't seem to be just randomly abandoned piece of entertainment left on somebody's desk after reading such a thing during their lunchbreak.

And btw what the hell was with these undergarments?
Okay, didn't belong to Renee or Julie as far as W's were concerned. So... it wasn't shown to TT? Or Julie's mom/parents?
Also I walk around a lot, and was walking aroun a lot in many different locations and pieces of clothing lying around in all random places aren't at all rare, but these are usually like hats, scarfs, gloves, socks, single shoe on the side of the road, some sweaters occasionally, or even pants once or twice. But those seem very clean and in good condition, so no reason to abandon them, and it looks like almost five sets of teenage pants + bras, abandoned near some stream, in Winter. This is not normal. This not what you picture in your mind while hearing about "some undergarments" being found - at least I would never imagine so many.
 
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