TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #7

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Brightchaser47 said:
If that really happened, I don't understand why the lady wouldn't just go to LE with her story; she'd still have anonymity-- that's what tiplines are for.
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Maybe the urge to speak to FA directly to help relieve her own conscience for not saying something sooner.
 
Or the alleged “older woman” story, like the letter, could be a ruse to make them appear as either run aways or stranger kidnap victims rather than murder victims.
I would not assume anything from the A family is necessarily truthful. I think by his actions even RA has been mislead and deliberately confused on the case.
 
T rex said:
I doubt if the A family owned this place so I always wondered if they could have still had it under lease. I really don't know what way we would have of finding out, maybe a local could.
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I don't know what the terms were, but I've always felt it was a bit odd that the shop location closer to home was the one closed down (and the "half-owner" knew nothing about it). But, it could be nothing.
 
The decision which Shop to close down probably had something to do with profitability and business outlook of each location. The fact that TT claims he didnt know about a second shop is indeed a bit odd, though maybe he had been left in the dark quite a bit about the true state of the A's business prior to handing over the money....
 
tucson1991 said:
I found this on NewsPapers.com: Grand Prairie Daily News (Grand Prairie, Dallas, Texas) · 1 Nov 1972, Wed · Page 12
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So the Fort Worth shop that TT knew nothing about keeps the same address but the Arlington one changes premises? Hard to believe TT had no knowledge of it......or maybe he just wanted people to think that jmo
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tilomagnet said:
The decision which Shop to close down probably had something to do with profitability and business outlook of each location. The fact that TT claims he didnt know about a second shop is indeed a bit odd, though maybe he had been left in the dark quite a bit about the true state of the A's business prior to handing over the money....
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It could really go both ways with TT, depending on the context of conversation in which he claimed to know nothing about FW location.
If it was meant as: I know nothing, I never knew that there was Arnold's Transmission Service in Forth Worth, I've never heard about it in my life!
OR if it was more like: I know nothing (more than the basics you already stated/could hear from someone) about ATS in FW - cause I never worked there.
First - very odd, second - not so odd.
 
FW_Froggy said:
IMO from everything I heard Cotton was drowning in debt with the IRS breathing down his neck. Cotton didn't own any real estate including his house TILL TT married Rachel.
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It may be completely irrelevant to the disappearance, but doesn't that sound bit unusual?

Drowning in debt after having one location burned down before Christmas one year - okay, sounds like a likely and understandable turning point that could push one into deep debt while desperately trying to get back in the saddle.
But how they were able to get enough money to rebuild first workshop or start with new locatio in FW, not long before starting with yet another one in Arlington? I know nothing about how it could look like in 70's Texas, maybe it wasn't that hard but for me it sounds like a mess.

And their behaviour is weird, just plain weird.
Okay, I get that - debt, serious illness, maybe not much hope for recovery. But who - while having family to support, young child at home, business not doing well and drowning in debt, after just experiencing terrible fire years earlier would NOT try to make sure, at the time of it's saddening anniversary, that there is no risk of it happening again - so going there, making sure that everything what should be turned off is turned off, closed, no worrying smells or anything like that going on?
Maybe someone wouldn't. But here there was not one person involved in the business, not two but three - THREE people from same family, and they somehow aren't trying to reassure themselves that everything is fine there?
 
LA would be able to tell if it was a case of CA theoretically not owning or renting those previous locations, but still having access to it, or previously accessing it through some family friend or a buddy who was or wasn't working as co-investor or getting share of profits?

Cause if they were right - that girls left the mall with someone they trusted... I wouldn't bet much on high-school friend or someone like CJG. No family friend well over the age of 21 was ever considered as a suspect?
 
beubeubeu said:
LA would be able to tell if it was a case of CA theoretically not owning or renting those previous locations, but still having access to it, or previously accessing it through some family friend or a buddy who was or wasn't working as co-investor or getting share of profits?

Cause if they were right - that girls left the mall with someone they trusted... I wouldn't bet much on high-school friend or someone like CJG. No family friend well over the age of 21 was ever considered as a suspect?
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LE never gave any names of the under five person's of interest.
 
Did CJG live or work anywhere near where Renee's grandmother and Julie lived? I understand he walked/hitchhiked everywhere. I was wondering how close his home or work was to them.
 
FW_Froggy said:
That's one of the mysteries of that day. Where was that LiL Jumpin Bean Shawn that day. Some say DA was watching him. Some say he was at the shop with TT. Some say he was picked up at Minot around 12 noon. Many say he was at the Bowling Alley with TT at 6:30 pm. The lady at the Bowling Alley said she watched him when TT left at around 8;30pm. Who was with TT when he picked up the LiL Jumpin Bean late that night. The more you know about this case the more you don't know.
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I'm not convinced the boy was there that day but in the event that he was could Julie have been watching him while Rachel and Renee went to the Army Navy and possibly somewhere else? I think it's strange how the two girls wanted Julies eleven year old sister to go but not so much the nine year old. There's not a lot of difference in nine and eleven if you ask me. Could Rachel have been looking for a babysitter all along? Just a thought.
 
T rex said:
I'm not convinced the boy was there that day but in the event that he was could Julie have been watching him while Rachel and Renee went to the Army Navy and possibly somewhere else? I think it's strange how the two girls wanted Julies eleven year old sister to go but not so much the nine year old. There's not a lot of difference in nine and eleven if you ask me. Could Rachel have been looking for a babysitter all along? Just a thought.
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According to V.I. Wishyouknew (Thread #5, pg 37, post 724):
"We all know Shawn wasn't with all three girls at that time. No possible way." The context of this statement was questioning both TT's ex-wife's alleged statement to DJ (which some believe was faked by DJ), and whereabouts of the little one.
 
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T rex said:
I'm not convinced the boy was there that day but in the event that he was could Julie have been watching him while Rachel and Renee went to the Army Navy and possibly somewhere else? I think it's strange how the two girls wanted Julies eleven year old sister to go but not so much the nine year old. There's not a lot of difference in nine and eleven if you ask me. Could Rachel have been looking for a babysitter all along? Just a thought.
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Two years at that age is a big difference. 9 yo is by any means still a child, 11 yo is already bit teenageryish, especially if one is the youngest child in the family, and the other grew up as a big sister.
As far as we know, Julie's sister already had some independence - she either:
a) didn't have to ask her mom if she can go to the mall,
b) could rely on one of the girls grandma's judgement with it,
c) OR got permission to go shopping/hang out with the friend in advance as long as one of the grandmas was responsible for their way to and back from the mall/shopping.
IMO the girl's reluctancy to take Julie may got bit exagerrated and based not solely on her young age but just simply cause her sister & friend had each other and could be expected to some degree to take care of each other's entertainment while on the trip, while Julie would be all over Renee and Rachel.
Could be also that they politely offered the ride to the sister and friend just cause TR refused to go with them and Julie was kinda "okay, maybe she would go too" (meaning all three younger girls + Renee & Rachel) and upon learning that the two still have some chores to do and a ride from grandma, while Julie was so eager to go with them straight away, including visit to the Army Navy they weren't as pleased with it.
 
With regards to who was invited shopping versus who was offered a lift. RT wasn't well known to any of them other than RW. Even TM seemed to know her only as a friend of RW rather than knowing her independently. We know Mrs Moseley says she didn't know her, which serves as info that the Moseley girls didn't know her either. So I doubt she, RT, was keen to invite any of them along on the trip particularly. Maybe slightly different for RW trying to keep the Moseley sisters onside.

However being told by RW that others were also going to the mall that day, I can well imagine lifts being offered. Again it may have been RW who suggested asking Janet and friend to ride with them as a way of keeping TM's sister onside.
So I'm not so sure they were keen to have an 11 year old tagging along, and feel it was maybe more of a rideshare offer than an offer to hang out. Taking a 9 year old would be a different thing.
 
Something I've been pondering is when was the trip organised, how was it organised, and who knew of it in advance.

It seems like a pre arranged trip, so did that give someone/ some people the chance to organise themselves in advance? Intercept the girls?

Also I would love to know at what point it became known that JM was with them, and how the other families reacted to that information.
 
FW_Froggy said:
TM said VB had a car that he left with TM at TM's house when VB went to California after the disappearance.
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But did he ever drive it? IIRC, he was present when Rachel picked up Renee. Did he walk or drive there?
 
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