TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #8

[T rex]

The old website is still there BUT RA deleted a LOT of stuff from it. The person that took it over made RA an administrator and RA deleted a bunch of stuff. When the new owner saw what was going on he was kicked out.

Do you know what these posts had to do with or when they were made? Just a bunch of random stuff or a particular subject and time frame?

 

[beubeubeu]

You could be on to something about DA going back and forth. If we consider a scenario like this then we might need to consider the possibility that something else was in the evelope that morning and I don't mean a Christmas card or something, I mean something else relevant to this case.

Wasn't it concluded that any usual Christmas card would not fit that envelope as it wasn't one of the usual size used for cards, but the most common and standard size used for letters and official mail (like bills and notifications)?

 

[FW_Froggy]

Do you know what these posts had to do with or when they were made? Just a bunch of random stuff or a particular subject and time frame?

I have no idea. Apparently RA wanted the Stuff he deleted GONE Forever.

 

[T rex]

Wasn't it concluded that any usual Christmas card would not fit that envelope as it wasn't one of the usual size used for cards, but the most common and standard size used for letters and official mail (like bills and notifications)?

I would agree with that assessment. I've never thought it was a Christmas card, that's why I put it in my post because I didn't want anyone to think that's what I meant but I don't think it was any official mail either. I believe it was the runaway letter or something else relevant to the case or the envelope was empty which might be my personal favorite.

 

[beubeubeu]

I have no idea. Apparently RA wanted the Stuff he deleted GONE Forever.

Well, not many people want any random stuff to be "GONE Forever" so good chance that had some perspective-wrecking info.
Unless his need to feel in control of this case is so strong that he "just" removed theories and details that he doesn't like to see being discussed (not cause these are crucial, just cause he sees them as irrelevant).

 

[Brightchaser47]

What puzzles me is why was the envelope needed ? When LE asked about it, whoever took the letter to the A household, could've simply stated the letter was 'found' (by itself) in the mailbox (or wherever), and no one would've questioned that.  Anyone could've put it there. But, it was paired with an envelope that belonged to TT...

 

[T rex]

What puzzles me is why was the envelope needed ? When LE asked about it, whoever took the letter to the A household, could've simply stated the letter was 'found' (by itself) in the mailbox (or wherever), and no one would've questioned that.  Anyone could've put it there. But, it was paired with an envelope that belonged to TT...

There may be several possible answers to your question but if I had to choose one I guess it would be the keep everything at the mall mentality. And then there's the question of what was SM really doing there in the early morning hours. The letter has always been a source of much discussion.

 

[Brightchaser47]

There may be several possible answers to your question but if I had to choose one I guess it would be the keep everything at the mall mentality.

It does seemingly fit that theory, but I come back to that hand back idea of yours, and something doesn't add up. But then, nothing about this case adds up...

And then there's the question of what was SM really doing there in the early morning hours.

He's an interesting character. Given that he was actually a professional DJ who changed his tune (pun intended), I'm sure after that, he was sorry he ever got involved with DA.

The letter has always been a source of much discussion.

And I hated to bring it (envelope) up again, quite frankly. But in trying to look at things from a different perspective, I thought maybe it was a way to secure TT's silence/ cooperation in whatever transpired. Wasn't it the next day (or a couple of days later) that ST's brother came to stay with TT?

 

[Brightchaser47]

I also think if LE would check ALL the Land owned by ALL the relatives back then they just might find them (JMO).

Checking family property isn't a bad idea, but you'd have to consider the 3 L's (location, location, location).
*How far from Minot?
*Is it secluded enough to possibly be accessed during the daylight hours without arousing suspicion?
*Where (and how) on that property might three bodies be buried, that they'd stay undisturbed for decades?

 

[FW_Froggy]

Checking family property isn't a bad idea, but you'd have to consider the 3 L's (location, location, location).
*How far from Minot?
*Is it secluded enough to possibly be accessed during the daylight hours without arousing suspicion?
*Where (and how) on that property might three bodies be buried, that they'd stay undisturbed for decades?

The families were ALL Truckers at one time or another back then. Throw them ALL in the Back of a Truck and OFF you go anywhere in the United States. BUT my first Location would be Land owned by the relatives back then STILL Undisturbed to this day.

 

[T rex]

One thing many people seem to agree on in this saga, is that DA is incredibly capable of deceiving and manipulating people. So

This made me think of DA living in Renee's grandmothers house. I don't have any idea if she lived there while the grandmother did or if Julies mom was still living across the street but it makes me wonder if she was keeping certain people close to her.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Dec 21, 1979
Pg 64

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View the digital scanned newspaper from Fort Worth Star-Telegram dated Dec 21, 1979, page 64.

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[Brightchaser47]

This made me think of DA living in Renee's grandmothers house. I don't have any idea if she lived there while the grandmother did or if Julies mom was still living across the street but it makes me wonder if she was keeping certain people close to her.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Dec 21, 1979
Pg 64

Dec 21, 1979, page 64 - Fort Worth Star-Telegram at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Fort Worth Star-Telegram dated Dec 21, 1979, page 64.

www.newspapers.com

That's kinda creepy. Has DA stayed in the general Fort Worth area since her sister's disappearance?

 

[FW_Froggy]

That's kinda creepy. Has DA stayed in the general Fort Worth area since her sister's disappearance?

Yes

 

[tilomagnet]

What puzzles me is why was the envelope needed ? When LE asked about it, whoever took the letter to the A household, could've simply stated the letter was 'found' (by itself) in the mailbox (or wherever), and no one would've questioned that.  Anyone could've put it there. But, it was paired with an envelope that belonged to TT...

Hmm, if it was just the letter in the mailbox it would have meant that Rachel had been back at Minot after the Mall en route to Houston....she couldnt have dropped the letter before she left for the Mall since it specially states where the car was.

Probably whoever wrote it, didnt like that idea....though LE were seemingly so willing to label them as runaways and do nothing, that it could have worked out either way in hindsight...

 

[Brightchaser47]

Yes

TT moved on, after a bit. What about ST? Has she stayed in the general area?

 

[Brightchaser47]

Hmm, if it was just the letter in the mailbox it would have meant that Rachel had been back at Minot after the Mall en route to Houston...

She could've had someone she knew leave it, but since she had that pre-addressed envelope handy...(just kidding)

.she couldnt have dropped the letter before she left for the Mall since it specially states where the car was.

Actually, she could've. We've been assuming the car was parked before the letter was written. But the car could've actually been parked  after the letter was written (i.e. you write a note,"the key is under the flower pot", then you place the key there, before leaving the house). That was a huge parking lot, and the section the Olds was in was further from the buildings (so more likely there'd be a spot available). So technically, someone could plan to leave a car anywhere in that section, and it would still be "in Sears' upper lot". It would be a simple thing for someone familiar with that area (IMO). Just a thought.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I also think if LE would check ALL the Land owned by ALL the relatives back then they just might find them (JMO).

The families were ALL Truckers at one time or another back then. Throw them ALL in the Back of a Truck and OFF you go anywhere in the United States. BUT my first Location would be Land owned by the relatives back then STILL Undisturbed to this

This made me think of DA living in Renee's grandmothers house. I don't have any idea if she lived there while the grandmother did or if Julies mom was still living across the street but it makes me wonder if she was keeping certain people close to her.

Has DA stayed in the general Fort Worth area since her sister's disappearance?

Yes

Officer Wilbanks stated he felt the girls were still in Fort Worth, dead or alive (which was odd, IMO), though he claimed he had 'nothing to base that on'. This coming from the 'detective' who refused to 'detect'. Hmmm. Why would DA feel the need to stay so close, if there was no way the bodies would ever be found (i.e. 'incinerated')?

 

[Brightchaser47]

I've been trying to uncover a reason why members of FWPD would not only avoid pursuing this case, but actually (seemingly) thwart any honest investigation. It occurs to me that (given her line of work and hobbies) DA could possibly have had 'dirt' on someone in FWPD (at the time), and maybe that would explain their tendency to only minimally investigate and lie to the families. By the time she took the polygraphs, those original 'investigators' may've been gone...

 

[Brightchaser47]

I've been trying to uncover a reason why members of FWPD would not only avoid pursuing this case, but actually (seemingly) thwart any honest investigation. It occurs to me that (given her line of work and hobbies) DA could possibly have had 'dirt' on someone in FWPD (at the time), and maybe that would explain their tendency to only minimally investigate and lie to the families. By the time she took the polygraphs, those original 'investigators' may've been gone...

Just wanted to add: Officer Wilbanks retired in December 1980...

 

[FW_Froggy]

Just wanted to add: Officer Wilbanks retired in December 1980...

Also Officer Wilbanks was a Juvenile Detective and looked like Joe Friday on Dragnet.