TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

[Magnum P.E.]

I saw that info on Ancestry a few nights ago. I was not hopeful as one portrait is dated 2010. However, we need no stones unturned, so thanks for looking into this further and contacting the contact to see if you can view the portraits and get other info.

....and if she has had weird problems in the past with things like her driver's license, credit, and passport she could read this forum and get a broad hint as to why.

Is it too much to hope for that she sees the pic of FLEK and instantly knows who it is? Probably so, the world does not turn that smoothly on its bearings. I bet dollars to donuts that the SSA's people have been there already.

 

[sloane7777]

....and if she has had weird problems in the past with things like her driver's license, credit, and passport she could read this forum and get a broad hint as to why.

Is it too much to hope for that she sees the pic of FLEK and instantly knows who it is? Probably so, the world does not turn that smoothly on its bearings. I bet dollars to donuts that the SSA's people have been there already.

I dont bet the SSA has done much, I have a friend who works at the agency, its Very Very low on their agenda, if its not collecting an overpayment or it does not involve money, it is ignored for the most part, they are severly understaffed, overworked, have you noticed the lines around the SSA buildings lately! Just google it

 

[kdsmith21]

That is a good question. I would assume that the one thing she would be stuck with was the birth date from the stolen birth certificate. That birth date would then have been associated with the SSN she fraudulently obtained and would be fixed through marriages and name changes. But all my assumptions have been wrong lately concerning this case.:waitasec:

I agree, usually it isn't too hard to find an obituary if you enter birthdate and a state. And I figured she would be stuck with the name as well, and nothing that I have found so far for the deceased/child/infant the real LEK. I was just hoping if we can find something on the real LEK maybe there would be family or somoene mentioned or something in the obituary that would help us figure out how she may have known this person. If she did not know them, then I would think she had to pull the info from an obituary at random? And if so, we should be able to find the obituary. Maybe it would give us ties to a new city to check, or someone mentioned in the obituary will have ties to her through school, work, or something... just grasping at straws.

 

[kdsmith21]

I have been searching for females Arizona born in 1969 and died before 18 years old (1997), and I agree and think that likely much younger than 18... probably younger than 15 (because of working, maybe a drivers license and other things the real LEK might have needed to have a ss# for by that time. Again, we don't know if she used her real birthdate or LEK, which makes this even harder... and I would think 1988 or earlier someone may have reported the FLEK missing from somewhere? I have scoured missing person reports from 1989 and older, in case they waited for some time to report FLEK missing. Sometimes people wait several years before they make a missing persons report... and I am almost thinking there is no report, at least not on Namus or Doe or Charley, etc...

 

[deca]

When I did my initial research for this case re: identity theft by the "paper chase" method, I ran into some significant roadblocks. Back then you could, from any state, buy your new info from a broker. Or you could do it yourself by reading the obits or going to the local graveyard. Potentially, you could get the info from any major newspaper stored in any library. For example: from the Los Angeles Times if you are living in Columbus, Ohio.

In any case I realized that even if I surmised who the original holder of the SSN was, it would not help me find out who the doe was. Just my :twocents:

 

[Magnum P.E.]

Interesting. Only a fool would buy that info from a broker, there would be every incentive to sell the same info multiple times. Smart money would say go to an obscure rural graveyard with pad and pencil in hand, and hope no one beat you to it. Then after a decent and circumspect interval change your name. Probably a low chance of getting caught.
It is also interesting about this probably being a low priority for the SSA. I can see that. I wonder of FLEK's spouse was curious enough to hire a private investigator. I know I would be. And the little girl would have a right to know her heritage.
Has ANYONE got hold of the public records for UT Arlington for her claimed major and grad year? I bet there is nothing there anyway.

 

[Magnum P.E.]

When I did my initial research for this case re: identity theft by the "paper chase" method, I ran into some significant roadblocks. Back then you could, from any state, buy your new info from a broker. Or you could do it yourself by reading the obits or going to the local graveyard. Potentially, you could get the info from any major newspaper stored in any library. For example: from the Los Angeles Times if you are living in Columbus, Ohio.

In any case I realized that even if I surmised who the original holder of the SSN was, it would not help me find out who the doe was. Just my :twocents:

I thought that it was established that FLEK was the original holder of the SSN, using LEK's birth certificate. Or am I wrong?

 

[annemc2]

I'm just wondering why it's such a low priority that they're even investigating at all. I mean, what's going to happen when they find out who she is except for the satisfaction of knowing? Does that make sense? Maybe not knowing her identity is driving them as crazy as it's driving me!!

I went as far as to ask my *mother* the other day if she had any contacts at UTA. I can't believe I don't know anybody that's affiliated with the university anymore in some respect. Would it be worthwhile to call the library and ask for a yearbook check or would the registrar's office be able to verify graduation/degree? Maybe we could go to the jury room here and beg a local to drop by? :hen:

 

[Magnum P.E.]

I'm just wondering why it's such a low priority that they're even investigating at all. I mean, what's going to happen when they find out who she is except for the satisfaction of knowing? Does that make sense? Maybe not knowing her identity is driving them as crazy as it's driving me!!

I went as far as to ask my *mother* the other day if she had any contacts at UTA. I can't believe I don't know anybody that's affiliated with the university anymore in some respect. Would it be worthwhile to call the library and ask for a yearbook check or would the registrar's office be able to verify graduation/degree? Maybe we could go to the jury room here and beg a local to drop by? :hen:

I dunno, maybe they legally HAVE to investigate it before they can pay out death benefits to FLEK's daughter. :frown:Just a guess.
I think that written permission from her would be needed to verify FLEK's degree, and that of course will not be forthcoming. However, graduation programs and yearbooks are public documents. I'd make a trip to the UTA library myself if I were close enough. Betcha nothing's there. Of course her pic could be right there with her activities listed, which would lead to people to talk to, people who knew her.

 

[neesaki]

Maybe this has already been addressed, but just to clarify, how would this UID have obtained a birth certificate on anyone other than herself? I didn't think they just handed these things out. TIA to anyone who can enlighten me. :wave:

 

[buffetoflies]

Is the mitochondrial DNA profile the one that matches up surnames? I thought that for benjamin kyle (hoax or whatever, i know) some how DNA was run that showed he might have been related to someone with a certain last name. Could that be done here?

Or that thing where they check teeth(?) for samples of soil to see where she lived?

 

[CarlK90245]

Is the mitochondrial DNA profile the one that matches up surnames? I thought that for benjamin kyle (hoax or whatever, i know) some how DNA was run that showed he might have been related to someone with a certain last name. Could that be done here?

mtDNA analysis is focused only on the female ancestral line. Since female surnames typically change every generation, the surname would not correlate very well with the way mtDNA passes across generations.

 

[neesaki]

It seems to me at this point, that the only way our UID is going to be identified is by facial recognition. I mean, we have no idea what part of the country she's from or anything, nothing to really go on. Even if we knew where the real LEK was from it wouldn't help determine where the FLEK was from as there's no telling how she came upon using that particular identity.

So what does that leave us with, scouring through every high school year book we can find to see if we might come across her photo? :what:

 

[mmmmallorym]

Did LEK use multiple dates of birth with the assumed name?

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[buffetoflies]

That isn't known mmmmmmmallorym.

I agree neeaski. We're at a dead end. I don't know why the SSA has the solvability as a high medium.

Back in Feb-March when this was first posted on here, I was poking around and I *thought* one of the pastors at her funeral was on facebook, but I guess I was wrong because I can't find him now. I was getting to the point where I was starting to think sending him a message wouldn't have been 'over the line'.

We need more clues.
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Did anyone notice LEKR's daughters name? Does anyone think J or E could have been in her real name? Both were in the top 200 in 1969.

 

[mmmmallorym]

I currently live about 30 miles from Longview and is not a huge city. You would think there would be more information about her and the family she married into available online as they seem to be a more prominent family. There is information under LEK on ancestry.com but it is private.

 

[neesaki]

I am confused with what you are saying. I think that the fake LEK took the real LEK's birth cert to the SS office and obtained a SS # making her the official LEK. Her SS# would be tied back to the real LEK's birth parents. So, when her family applied for death benefits when she committed suicide in 2010, the family found out that she had stolen the identity because the SS administration contacted the real LEK's parents listed on the birth cert. Does that sound correct?

In my opinion, I think she used other SS #s because she was trying to avoid being detected. In other words, if she needed a SS# to apply for credit, she may have used another # to avoid any flags being raised. I believe she used both the SS# that was issued to her in 1988 as well as others that were fake.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you used to get an official copy of your birth certificate while you were still in the hospital. If hospitals kept copies, would it have been as easy as getting a copy from a file somewhere and taking it to the SS office? I know that stealing a deceased child's identity has been happening for years, but I don't know exactly how people do it.


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That is my question, how she got the birth certificate of someone other than herself. I had to get a certified copy of my birth certificate years ago, and had to drive to where I was born and show identification.

So how someone could get someone else's birth certificate is my question. The only thing I can come up with is that she came up with a fake Drivers License and that's all it took to get the BC. I know people do the fake DL thing all the time, though I don't know how. It must be pretty easy, or at least back in 1988.

 

[mmmmallorym]

I don't think it was probably as difficult to obtain a birth certificate 25ish years ago as it would be today. Privacy laws have gotten much stricter in the last ten years or so. Plus, she could have easily had a fake driver's license because they were a lot easier to fake then versus now. I'm guessing the family she married into is keeping quiet to avoid scandal? There has to be something on ancestry.com. I wish it was public. Since it is not public it makes me wonder who made it private?

 

[neesaki]

]I don't think it was probably as difficult to obtain a birth certificate 25ish years ago as it would be today.[/B] Privacy laws have gotten much stricter in the last ten years or so. Plus, she could have easily had a fake driver's license because they were a lot easier to fake then versus now. I'm guessing the family she married into is keeping quiet to avoid scandal? There has to be something on ancestry.com. I wish it was public. Since it is not public it makes me wonder who made it private?

Very true, they were much more lax at least back in 1982 when I got mine. IIRC I had to have two or three forms of ID: a photo ID (DL) and my SS card. The third would have been maybe my voters registration. I just can't remember, it was a long time ago, lol.
So as she apparently didn't have a SS # maybe they allow for that, or she used something else. Or did she use a fake SS card to get the birth certificate? :waitasec:

 

[Magnum P.E.]

Very true, they were much more lax at least back in 1982 when I got mine. IIRC I had to have two or three forms of ID: a photo ID (DL) and my SS card. The third would have been maybe my voters registration. I just can't remember, it was a long time ago, lol.
So as she apparently didn't have a SS # maybe they allow for that, or she used something else. Or did she use a fake SS card to get the birth certificate? :waitasec:

Too complex to explain again, read the thread and you will understand how we believe she fraudulently obtained a real SSN with birth documents that were not hers.