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Justice for Liz Barraza
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KA was really triggered by CS's relationship with MW, but not his past intimate relationships with other women. Not sure she coldly murdered MW to just eliminate a rival, or because of jealousy. Something about the relationship caused her to lose it. Just my opinion. Or that's the only time she could get MW alone and eliminate what she considered a threat to her relationship with CS.This just occurred to me and would love to hear from anyone who has watched or studied trials where convicted defendants have argued Crime of Passion as a mitigating factor at sentencing. Especially cases where the defendant either remains silent during trial after pleading NG to murder or takes the stand to deny the charges, rather than cases where, for eg, defense is pushing for manslaughter not murder or invoking insanity - ie where it is not at issue from the get go that defendant was involved in the death.
I know we haven't seen the guts of KA's defense yet, only opening statement and insinuations/innuendo (possibly re SODDI?) during cross. But if the thrust of her defense ends up being the evidence is faulty, LE got it wrong etc etc,which I think it will be because SODDI (an actual named one) does not appear feasible to me, how exactly does her D argue Crime of Passion at sentencing if she is convicted (which I believe at present she will be)? Would that have to involve KA testifying post conviction at sentencing that yes, I did it but it was Crime of Passion? In other words an admission? Or is it argued on her behalf by the D with KA maintaining her right to remain silent? And if KA herself testifies in trial and denies the allegations, how does Crime of Passion as mitigating factor play out in sentencing hearing? Would she remain silent whilst lawyers a \argue it or would she testify herself?
This just occurred to me and would love to hear from anyone who has watched or studied trials where convicted defendants have argued Crime of Passion as a mitigating factor at sentencing. Especially cases where the defendant either remains silent during trial after pleading NG to murder or takes the stand to deny the charges, rather than cases where, for eg, defense is pushing for manslaughter not murder or invoking insanity - ie where it is not at issue from the get go that defendant was involved in the death.
I know we haven't seen the guts of KA's defense yet, only opening statement and insinuations/innuendo (possibly re SODDI?) during cross. But if the thrust of her defense ends up being the evidence is faulty, LE got it wrong etc etc,which I think it will be because SODDI (an actual named one) does not appear feasible to me, how exactly does her D argue Crime of Passion at sentencing if she is convicted (which I believe at present she will be)? Would that have to involve KA testifying post conviction at sentencing that yes, I did it but it was Crime of Passion? In other words an admission? Or is it argued on her behalf by the D with KA maintaining her right to remain silent? And if KA herself testifies in trial and denies the allegations, how does Crime of Passion as mitigating factor play out in sentencing hearing? Would she remain silent whilst lawyers argue it or would she testify herself?
I believe the affinity to be cycling.KA was really triggered by CS's relationship with MW, but not his past intimate relationships with other women. Not sure she coldly murdered MW to just eliminate a rival, or because of jealousy. Something about the relationship caused her to lose it. Just my opinion. Or that's the only time she could get MW alone and eliminate what she considered a threat to her relationship with CS.
What are the psychological and physical issues involved in your opinion? Would they conflict if premeditation is proven?If KA is found guilty at her trial and crime of passion is presented by her defense team during sentencing phase, then it is likely that the defense will present expert witnesses to the jury that testify about the psychological and physical issues involved. KA's sister might also testify, KA won't take the stand during the sentencing phase, IMO, because there are likely to be appeals related to her case by her defense team related to the trial verdict.
I do think it is possible for the defense to connect with one or two sympathetic jurors during the sentencing phase (if not before). Given that mitigating factors are purely subjective for each juror, then that is certainly possible.
What are the psychological and physical issue involved in your opinion? Would they conflict if premeditation is proven?
If so, to me none of that sounds like it contains any reasonable mitigating factors for a reduced sentence owing to sudden passion? It could be different if KA's defense was actually arguing this in court but clearly they are not because, IMO, the evidence for premeditation is too much to overcome.Moo. I keep thinking that the time for her to argue mitigating factors would have been during the plea deal that she rejected? Its hard for me to understand how sudden passion plays out in sentencing if premeditation is established during trial and defendant is found guilty. Are there sentencing guidelines I'm wondering.KA was really triggered by CS's relationship with MW, but not his past intimate relationships with other women. Not sure she coldly murdered MW to just eliminate a rival, or because of jealousy. Something about the relationship caused her to lose it. Just my opinion. Or that's the only time she could get MW alone and eliminate what she considered a threat to her relationship with CS.
Hmm, could get messy, Imo. I assume that the Ds expert witnesses would be bound/limited in their opining by the actual evidence presented during the trial? Ditto for premeditation. I'm uncertain of what the verdict forms will be vis a vis premeditation, does felony murder preclude that as a specific part of the charges the jury will deliberate on to reach an actual verdict?RBBM
I assume that psychologists and/or other expert professional witnesses could speak to the impact of lies and infidelity and the physiological response, etc. in the moment related to crimes of passion.
If so, to me none of that sounds like it contains any reasonable mitigating factors for a reduced sentence owing to sudden passion? It could be different if KA's defense was actually arguing this in court but clearly they are not because, IMO, the evidence for premeditation is too much to overcome.Moo. I keep thinking that the time for her to argue mitigating factors would have been during the plea deal that she rejected? Its hard for me to understand how sudden passion plays out in sentencing if premeditation is established during trial and defendant is found guilty. Are there sentencing guidelines I'm wondering.
Sudden passion in Texas is in the punishment phase only. It's not presented as a mitigating factor in the guilt/innocence phase and the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove the sudden passion. There was a trial in San Antonio, State vs. Francis Hall where she was found guilty of murder and sudden passion was introduced by the defense in the punishment phase. The jury agreed and she was sentenced to 2 years. I haven't found a whole lot of articles on this case but if you scroll down in the link to "Convicted of Murder, Widow Insists......" it reads as if she testified in both the guilt and the punishment phases.If so, to me none of that sounds like it contains any reasonable mitigating factors for a reduced sentence owing to sudden passion? It could be different if KA's defense was actually arguing this in court but clearly they are not because, IMO, the evidence for premeditation is too much to overcome.Moo. I keep thinking that the time for her to argue mitigating factors would have been during the plea deal that she rejected? Its hard for me to understand how sudden passion plays out in sentencing if premeditation is established during trial and defendant is found guilty. Are there sentencing guidelines I'm wondering.
Thank you.When you say the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove sudden passion in the punishment phase does that means beyond a reasonable doubt? I understood from another poster that sudden passion as a mitigating factor is "subjective to each juror" as opposed to aggravating factors in punishment phase where the P must prove them BARD. I'm confused re the differences here.Sudden passion in Texas is in the punishment phase only. It's not presented as a mitigating factor in the guilt/innocence phase and the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove the sudden passion. There was a trial in San Antonio, State vs. Francis Hall where she was found guilty of murder and sudden passion was introduced by the defense in the punishment phase. The jury agreed and she was sentenced to 2 years. I haven't found a whole lot of articles on this case but if you scroll down in the link to "Convicted of Murder, Widow Insists......" it reads as if she testified in both the guilt and the punishment phases.
KA testifying in the guilt phase of this trial IMO won't happen but could in the punishment phase.
Francis Hall gets lightest sentence...
Edited to add: I just pulled this trial up as an example of what could be considered as an example of crime of passion. The woman in this example had way more provocation than KA had (if she had any at all other than what she created in her own head).
Hmm, could get messy, Imo. I assume that the Ds expert witnesses would be bound/limited in their opining by the actual evidence presented during the trial?
Thank you.When you say the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove sudden passion in the punishment phase does that means beyond a reasonable doubt? I understood from another poster that sudden passion as a mitigating factor is "subjective to each juror" as opposed to aggravating factors in punishment phase where the P must prove them BARD. I'm confused re the differences here.
It is my understanding that it is a "preponderance of the evidence" and that all 12 must agree for it to be so.Thank you.When you say the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove sudden passion in the punishment phase does that means beyond a reasonable doubt? I understood from another poster that sudden passion as a mitigating factor is "subjective to each juror" as opposed to aggravating factors in punishment phase where the P must prove them BARD. I'm confused re the differences here.
Also I wonder if KA testifies re sudden passion in the punishment phase if that would amount to an open admission of guilt (post conviction).