TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #2

[Trudie]

Then if that is the case, that is fine. And no one knows until then. I do not know why he would need cell phone records, leaving that community would tell enough.

maybe CW reported NO or one of the kids called him after he departed for the night & LE wants to verify.
If he’s not on camera leaving, cell records will indicate an appx time, also.
I hope his alibi is never revealed. I’d be afraid for the person he stayed with. Jmo

 

[ilovechili]

maybe CW reported NO or one of the kids called him after he departed for the night & LE wants to verify.
If he’s not on camera leaving, cell records will indicate an appx time, also.
I hope his alibi is never revealed. I’d be afraid for the person he stayed with. Jmo

yeah cells and cameras. whoever he stayed with could cause some anger in people depending on who it was. he said a family member but it has not been confirmed to my knowledge. if, that is, he actually stayed somewhere. mind remains open. i am surprised the ME cannot come up with a more specific time of death, although maybe they have and we just do not know.

 

[Trudie]

I think this is entirely possible. Which adult wanted out of the relationship might be where we disagree.

IMO, CW revealed his personality, as non aggressive, by leaving his home, allowing NO & kids to stay, rather than engage in a gun battle. In retrospect, he may wish he dialed 911, during the reported argument.

 

[ilovechili]

IMO, CW revealed his personality, as non aggressive, by leaving his home, allowing NO & kids to stay, rather than engage in a gun battle. In retrospect, he may wish he dialed 911, during the reported argument.

what gun battle? did I miss something? i have read of nothing more than an argument and not much is said about that.

 

[ilovechili]

BBM. The issue isn't if CW left, according to the sheriff, the issue being verified is where CW was located during the time frame listed. Cell phone data will do that.

I'm confident the Sheriff will provide more information now that the funerals have concluded.

JMO

Anything unverified is an IF to me. When you have one member of an argument who was present and now 3 are dead, it is an IF. Until verified completely. I would be the same in any case.

To each their own.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

The few people who refuse to accept the 30-year-experienced, double board-certified, physician medical examiner's conclusion can purchase a copy of Nichol's and her daughters' autopsy reports here:

 

[ilovechili]

I mean the ME didn’t just glance at the crime scene and declare m/s in the first flush of things. They performed an autopsy.

Yes but autopsies are done before all forensics and investigations are generally in. If more facts are found or something is off, an ME himself may change one. And without getting too specific, I know depending on what kind of a case, that enough is taken at autopsy that to even have another, one does not necessarily need the body. I personally know of a case that was done. The body was buried but results were months later that provided the final result. Accident to homicide.

Not trying to argue, but it is only one part of an investigation and was done with what was known at the time.

And it may well remain as is. Hard to say.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

In Bexar morgue, the physician medical examiner isn't the only person who exams the body.

There are certified pathology technicians, pathologist lab assistants, physician residents, investigating interns, medical students, and morgue specialists that are there to assist and/or learn.
Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office and Toxicology Laboratory

Fudging a forensic autopsy report would require the secrecy of many people. It didn't happen with Nichols' murder-suicide.

 

[ilovechili]

The DM has run multiple stories about this case and they do pay for stories. The paternal aunt made threats on social media and the DM repeated them. It's no surprise that CW would engage attorneys in response or that the Sheriff would launch an investigation.
JMO

'So let him know that I'm going to spend every bit of energy and resources I have making sure he rots in jail. Also tell him that you know me, and that I don't make empty threats,' she said.

Neither Mr. Montez nor Ms. Manchez Sumners immediately responded to DailyMail.com's inquiries.

PICTURED: Two young sisters found shot dead with their mother in the $1million Texas mansion | Daily Mail Online

So the DM repeated from social media? And the aunt made a remark on social media? Not seeing the payment situation there... Nor any relevance whatsoever. She apparently believes he is guilty and is expressing her feelings. Seems pretty typical with most cases...

Yes they pay for stories and they are a rag, but also do get some things right. Agreed.

 

[Maradentro]

IMO, CW revealed his personality, as non aggressive, by leaving his home, allowing NO & kids to stay, rather than engage in a gun battle. In retrospect, he may wish he dialed 911, during the reported argument.

Engage NO in a gun battle? Good Lord. I've heard it all now.

CW is a professional hunter. HE has publically published numerous photos of himself killing animals indiscriminately. I grew up around the Texas hunter/cowboy/gun culture. I've hunted on many ranches around CW's in Tilden. I don't know many hunters who are into spotlighting, tracking and shooting animals at night. One photo CW published is of a threatened species which is illegal to kill or harm in the state of Texas. In other photos HE has publically published of himself, he is brandishing pistols. In many others he is drinking a lot of alcohol, posing with whiskey bottles, etc. I don't know what occured that night, but I do know that hunting, pistols, alcohol and volatile, emotional relationships are not a good combination.

I'm not sure if CW is guilty of this crime, but I am definitely not convinced he didn't do it. Like I said, I don't have to think too hard to come up with a motive or scenario.

I will wait for more evidence and for the investigation to be completed. I am still 50/50 and am only interested in the truth.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Yes but autopsies are done before all forensics and investigations are generally in. If more facts are found or something is off, an ME himself may change one. And without getting too specific, I know depending on what kind of a case, that enough is taken at autopsy that to even have another, one does not necessarily need the body. I personally know of a case that was done. The body was buried but results were months later that provided the final result. Accident to homicide.

Not trying to argue, but it is only one part of an investigation and was done with what was known at the time.

And it may well remain as is. Hard to say.

The physicians at Bexar are board certified in forensic pathology. They supervise and train physician residents and medical students.
Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office and Toxicology Laboratory

The Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office offers a one month Forensic Pathology rotation for third and fourth year Pathology residents who have completed the required prerequisite training in autopsy pathology. The rotation is organized through the respective Pathology Residency Program.

During this required educational experience, pathology residents will be exposed to the basics of forensic pathology and gain experience with the medicolegal evaluation of sudden unexpected death. The resident will observe the practice of forensic pathology in the morgue as well as attend conferences and lectures.

Supervision and instruction is provided by board certified forensic pathologists at the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office located on the UTHSCSA campus.

Pathology residents interested in rotating through the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office should coordinate through their Residency Director.
Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office and Toxicology Laboratory

 

[ilovechili]

Here’s another article that does mention corruption and organized crime. Mind you, these are just the things that appear in MSM, not all of the things seen and heard living in the community.

Sting operation leads to arrest of former guards on charges of smuggling meth into Bexar jail

“Bash, Combs and Salazar released few details about the investigation. The sheriff’s office approached the FBI with the matter, and the agency opened a public corruption investigation that is ongoing, Combs said.”

The ME’s office is plagued with its own issues. I believe the biggest problem child, so to speak, is long gone, but the current ME worked under him. So you’ve got a bit of suspicion that continues to plague that office due to the players really haven’t changed.

Interesting read. Thank you.

 

[ilovechili]

With all due respect, if the ME were uncertain of his findings, he would have ruled the manner of death Pending. This happens quite frequently. The ME will then continue to investigate, wait for toxicology results, etc. He or she takes into account all evidence presented, by the body, the investigating law enforcement, he will even contact family members and witnesses at times. I have full faith in the medical examiner's determination.

Quite honestly, I do not sweat it either way. I have no reason to trust it or doubt it. I go simply by the fact this is still an open investigation for some reason. Once all is confirmed and it is closed, then it will be a closed investigation. I am not going to continue to argue about an ME I have no opinion about one way or the other, although I do take into account what is offered and can be read about various things. We are sitting here on a computer or phone, etc. on an OPEN case. When cases are open, things get discussed and opinions differ. At least I think that is why most are here...

I live nowhere near Texas and have no personal opinion of anyone involved, not the deceased, not the bf, not LE, not the ME, etc.

With all due respect meant as well.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

The Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office is affiliated with the University of Texas and is located on the Univ. of Texas Health Science Center campus. (It is not a tiny, rural, underfunded, incompetent facility.)

Supervision and instruction is provided by board certified forensic pathologists at the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office located on the UTHSCSA campus.
Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office and Toxicology Laboratory

 

[ilovechili]

The official dispatch log in the Closs case has been published. It was dispatched as a possible suicide. I'm confident the ME in this case has the necessary education, training and experience to reach a determination of suicide.

JMO

1:03 329 ADVISED OF A POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT. REQUESTED ASSISTANCE FROM BARRON PD. ADVISED 656.

911 dispatch log from Jayme Closs case

It was not dispatched that way. It was the cited officer's first impression at the scene, dispatch did not cite suicide as the reason for dispatch. Been discussed COUNTLESS Times. It is irrelevant to the point anyhow. And thanks but I have the entire log but others can look at it and see the DISPATCH of the officers on a hang up call.

I was talking about erroneous sometimes first impressions and more.

Nothing that relates to this post.

 

[ilovechili]

Where do you get that CW's alibi is unverified? The sheriff simply said he was waiting on cell phone records to confirm it. I'm betting the person(s) CW stayed with likely verified he was with them but the sheriff knows the lynch mob won't accept that.

The Sheriff never said the ME doesn't have the necessary info to reach the determinations of suicide/homicide nor has he said he disagrees with those determinations.

What I believe the Sheriff is doing is helping CW solidify the basis for defamation of character legal actions.

JMO

I am not going to play semantics all day with unverified and/or unconfirmed. It has never been stated it is either confirmed or verified nor that it is ironclad. Have a good one

 

[ilovechili]

This doesn’t even make sense. The alibi is either verified or not. The sheriff has stated on the record that he’s waiting on info to verify the alibi. Therefore, the alibi is by definition “unverified”.

Speaking in generalities only, I don’t think it’s unusual for LE to not necessarily take at face value a family member stating “my son/daughter was with me at X time” without seeking out some sort of corroborating evidence to support it.

Yes, I had to reread that like three times myself or I need more coffee...

 

[ilovechili]

I think it is very unusual when the ME has concluded the adult committed suicide.

The sheriff specifically stated he is waiting on cell phone info to verify the alibi. iow, he isn't going to take the word of someone who was with CW because that wouldn't satisfy the social media lynch mob that wants CW guilty.
JMO

No wise LE would ever take the word of a family member, spouse, etc. for someone being there all night. That would be stupid imo. And thank goodness they do not. They are doing a thorough investigation as they should in such cases.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Engage NO in a gun battle? Good Lord. I've heard it all now.

CW is a professional hunter. HE has publically published numerous photos of himself killing animals indiscriminately. I grew up around the Texas hunter/cowboy/gun culture. I've hunted on many ranches around CW's in Tilden. I don't know many hunters who are into spotlighting, tracking and shooting animals at night. One photo CW published is of a threatened species which is illegal to kill or harm in the state of Texas. In other photos HE has publically published of himself, he is brandishing pistols. In many others he is drinking a lot of alcohol, posing with whiskey bottles, etc. I don't know what occured that night, but I do know that hunting, pistols, alcohol and volatile, emotional relationships are not a good combination.

I'm not sure if CW is guilty of this crime, but I am definitely not convinced he didn't do it. Like I said, I don't have to think too hard to come up with a motive or scenario.

I will wait for more evidence and for the investigation to be completed. I am still 50/50 and am only interested in the truth.

Nichol's youngest daughter was shot in the head and neck. That tells me (a shooting range instructor for women's classes) that WHOEVER PULLED THE TRIGGER WAS AN INEXPERIENCED SHOOTER. This killer flinched at the sound of the pistol firing which caused the muzzle of the gun to drop. When the muzzle dropped, the bullet missed its intended target and struck the child in the neck not her head.

 

[Trudie]

Engage NO in a gun battle? Good Lord. I've heard it all now.

CW is a professional hunter. HE has publically published numerous photos of himself killing animals indiscriminately. I grew up around the Texas hunter/cowboy/gun culture. I've hunted on many ranches around CW's in Tilden. I don't know many hunters who are into spotlighting, tracking and shooting animals at night. One photo CW published is of a threatened species which is illegal to kill or harm in the state of Texas. In other photos HE has publically published of himself, he is brandishing pistols. In many others he is drinking a lot of alcohol, posing with whiskey bottles, etc. I don't know what occured that night, but I do know that hunting, pistols, alcohol and volatile, emotional relationships are not a good combination.

I'm not sure if CW is guilty of this crime, but I am definitely not convinced he didn't do it. Like I said, I don't have to think too hard to come up with a motive or scenario.

I will wait for more evidence and for the investigation to be completed. I am still 50/50 and am only interested in the truth.

My point is CW removed himself from the situation/argument, rather than staying & engaging in whatever NO chose to do. He walked away. Jmo