TX TX or Mexico -- Husband & wife Frank Guzman & Caroline Katba, last seen in Austin, TX, believed to have been in Veracruz, Mexico, July 2024

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They had clearly veered off the PanAmerican Highway (which is a bucket-list trip from Mexico to Chile) to take in some other sites east of that route, since that specific highway doesn't go near Veracruz. There are several 'don't miss' areas and sites they could have been heading for in southern Mexico, however my inclination in July would have been to get out of the sweltering lowlands (including the Yucatan) and head to the mountains, particularly San Cristobal. It would be a 5 hr drive from Coatzacoalcos. But I know nothing about their interests or heat and humidity tolerance.

JMO
 
So we don't think they got to Panama? (Sorry if this has been mentioned, skimmed a bit) What was their plan for navigating the Darien Gap? I ask because that's the part where the danger is strongest IMO.
Seems like they were keeping loved ones updated regularly, IMO they did not make it to Panama and are somewhere in Guatemala.

Do we know if they were planning on take the route north or south of Chiapas on the way to Guatemala? What was their SIM card situation like, did they have to get a new one in each country they passed through or were they using wifi to communicate? What is the political/social situation in Chiapas like right now?
 
Seems like they were keeping loved ones updated regularly, IMO they did not make it to Panama and are somewhere in Guatemala.

Do we know if they were planning on take the route north or south of Chiapas on the way to Guatemala? What was their SIM card situation like, did they have to get a new one in each country they passed through or were they using wifi to communicate? What is the political/social situation in Chiapas like right now?
I'm a "fed" so I get copied in on changes in alert status for travel to foreign countries or specific areas within a country. This one caught my eye when it came out in April - We aren't allowed to travel on official business to a number of areas in Chiapas. Here is the publically available alert . (Again, the whole area is not considered a danger, just specific areas). https://mx.usembassy.gov/security-a...ncerns-in-the-state-of-chiapas-april-19-2024/
 
I'm a "fed" so I get copied in on changes in alert status for travel to foreign countries or specific areas within a country. This one caught my eye when it came out in April - We aren't allowed to travel on official business to a number of areas in Chiapas. Here is the publically available alert . (Again, the whole area is not considered a danger, just specific areas). https://mx.usembassy.gov/security-a...ncerns-in-the-state-of-chiapas-april-19-2024/
Thanks! So they may have been following the State Department alert and were avoiding the entire Mexican/Guatemala border, to travel via the Yucatan peninsula into Belize.

However, given the message that that they were approaching their hotel, I really wonder how long they would have gone without being in touch.

JMO
 
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The FBI has no problem offering rewards for information on missing Americans. I'm sure it comes with some cloak&dagger moves and assurances of immunity or protection. While $40,000 barely buys a new vehicle in the US.
it will definitely get someone in So.Mexico/Central America motivated enough to share information concerning your precious friends.
I am sorry I can not help more. Not knowing is so painful. (Boots on the ground? Someone always knows.)
 
I noticed that CK is Palestinian. Do you know what citizenship she has? You could contact the consulate.

There is a consular office for Palestinians in Mexico if I understand correctly.


I am glad you reached out. The people in this forum will have some further ideas I bet.
Hey there! Thanks so much for your response -- Caroline's family has contacted the consulate and that process is ongoing. Will update here once I've received additional information.

And you're right; everyone here has been incredibly helpful! I wasn't sure whether or not to reach out on this forum. So glad I did!
 
What I would do is make a poster of the two of them together (perhaps that last photo of them posing in Mexico) plus a photo of that make and colour car, and large type MISSING FROM...place...date. I don't know what kind of bureacracy produced that pair of missing posters, but no one is going to read that tiny fine print. And then I'd hire a bilingual private detective and get it into whatever local Mexican media/TV, as well as English media there is in Veracruz plus Coatzacoalcos. That might bring forward the hotelkeeper.
This is a valuable and nuanced piece of advice -- thanks so much! From what one of my contacts in Veracruz has said, the posters vary. Some display what you've suggested and some have the smaller print. You're so right though -- it's important to try to bring the hotelkeeper forward. I'll run the idea of a private detective by the team and report what comes back. Everyone seems to be intently focused on the cell data and bank records right now, but I'll try to make sure there's a conversation about a private detective.

Thanks for this and your additional responses, which I'm getting to now!
 
Seems like they were keeping loved ones updated regularly, IMO they did not make it to Panama and are somewhere in Guatemala.

Do we know if they were planning on take the route north or south of Chiapas on the way to Guatemala? What was their SIM card situation like, did they have to get a new one in each country they passed through or were they using wifi to communicate? What is the political/social situation in Chiapas like right now?
Hi there! We don't know for sure if they were going North or South of Chiapas head to Guatemala. They were using wifi to communicate with everyone via whatsapp. I'm not sure how call data tracking would work since they were using whatsapp, so I'm thinking the bank statements we're currently trying to acquire will prove most useful.

We're currently in the process of getting a warrant and making the necessary calls for those documents. I think right now everyone is focused on pinpointing an exact, non theoretical last location. That will tell us a lot about next strategy.
 
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I'm a "fed" so I get copied in on changes in alert status for travel to foreign countries or specific areas within a country. This one caught my eye when it came out in April - We aren't allowed to travel on official business to a number of areas in Chiapas. Here is the publically available alert . (Again, the whole area is not considered a danger, just specific areas). https://mx.usembassy.gov/security-a...ncerns-in-the-state-of-chiapas-april-19-2024/
Thanks for the info here! I saw this early on in my research and (naively) ruled out that they would've gone to a place that's essentially on the "Do Not Travel" list, but considering how adventurous they both are, nothing is out of the question or realm of possibility. If we find bank or cell data near/in Chiapas, I'm not entirely sure what our next steps would be. Any ideas regarding this scenario would be appreciated!


Thanks again for you response here!
 
Thanks! So they may have been following the State Department alert and were avoiding the entire Mexican/Guatemala border, to travel via the Yucatan peninsula into Belize.

However, given the message that that they were approaching their hotel, I really wonder how long they would have gone without being in touch.

JMO
Exactly! We're thinking (or maybe hoping) they did follow the state dept alert and headed toward the Yucatan and Belize, however that would've been a really long drive into Guatemala compared to following a route from Coatz, through Tabasco, then to Guatemala. Caroline's last voice memo stated they were heading to Guatemala the next day (July 23), then she read a message that same night before both of their whatsapp profiles went dark.

I don't know if they would've communicated the next morning as soon as they hit the road again, but with this series of events it really feels like 1) something happened in Coatz that night 2) the following morning in Coatz 3) On the road to Guatemala -- which could've been either along the border or Chiapas/Tabasco into Guatemala or on the road through the Yucatan and into Belize.

Given those possibilities, I think that's why we're so focused on the cell and bank data. It would give us an answer to the big questions right now: did they make it out of Coatz and, if so, what direction did they travel after?
 
The FBI has no problem offering rewards for information on missing Americans. I'm sure it comes with some cloak&dagger moves and assurances of immunity or protection. While $40,000 barely buys a new vehicle in the US.
it will definitely get someone in So.Mexico/Central America motivated enough to share information concerning your precious friends.
I am sorry I can not help more. Not knowing is so painful. (Boots on the ground? Someone always knows.)
This is informative! Boots on the ground is an important consideration. I know we contacted the FBI back in September but they refused to open the case, instructing us to send info to the U.S. embassy and Mexican authorities. That landed us where we are now, working with authorities to get a warrant for call data tracking and also figuring out how we can track bank activity.

Going back to your idea -- I suppose the question is how can we get the FBI involved, especially after they've turned us away once? Appreciate any additional insight here!
 

October 11, 2024
This is a great share and find! Thanks so much! Elizabeth didn't even know this had gone live yet! I shared it with her and now she's working to get everyone the most up-to-date info via that story. Hopefully that story will result in another push from media.

Thank you again for sharing!
 
Perhaps consider making up A4, and some A3, size
paper posters offering a reward for finding the location
of that '2016 Toyota Prius'. If it were me doing it, I'd
set the reward at 500 U.S. dollars, with it to be paid
to no more than three claimaints ($500 each person),
claimable upon location to be sent to some given email
address including a photograph of the found vehicle
AND information as to what named law enforcement
officer at what police station the information MUST
also have been reported to. (Law enforcement
officers not eligibile to make a claim).
That year/model had a somewhat easily recognizable
wheel design and the vehicles rear aspect also fairly
recognizable, so a (EXACT vehicle copy of what you
KNOW their vehicle actually looked like, including the
colour) only side view & rear view (from about 15
metres away) pictures would be on the poster.
(A wrecked, crashed/burned vehicle might be so
damaged that the wheels and rear aspect might be
the only quite still recognizable parts of the vehicle
anyway).
If they came to grief from criminal activity, someone
might be tempted enough to say where the vehicle
remains. If they came to grief from misadventure
(accident off the road down into a ravine or jungle),
the reward might spark enough interest that some
young guy might go looking with a couple of friends
at potential accident sites. (Rather than just one
person, who even if they found it, might be afraid
the policia will try to make a big-note case by
framing them, false confession, etc., which would
be more unlikely with multiple people. Such things
happen down there).
I assume you'll eventually have someone, a private
detective or knowledgeable local person, make
enquiries down there. Maybe get that person, or
concurrently hire someone else, to put up those
posters with cloth gaffer tape (normal sticky tape
pretty quickly fails in the heat in those countries),
in shops/hotel noticeboards along whatever you
determine are the most route-likely local towns/
hovels. (If you or others are going down there
eventually, maybe consider taking some drones
and many batteries, if you are thinking to check
places along likely-routes where they might have
gone down into a ravine.)
Code:
https://www.spytalk.co/p/nearly-600-americans-missing-in-mexico
 
I suppose the question is how can we get the FBI involved, especially after they've turned us away once? Appreciate any additional insight here!
My understanding is the FBI will assist in a case, at the request of local police who are officially in charge of investigating the case.

For eg, a case in the Bahamas:
"Duffey said the FBI would be involved on day one of her reported disappearance and that they would be working with Bahama authorities immediately upon request....Once they [local authorities] determine it's most likely a mysterious disappearance, then the FBI gets triggered through the legal attaché office and the FBI office that handles that region of the world for all crimes against an American citizen," Duffey said. Taylor Casey case: FBI expert breaks down search for American woman missing in Bahamas

Local police need to know whether they went missing from their own jurisdiction: otherwise, if they just drove through and into Chiapas, Veracruz won't see it as their problem, etc.

Also, FBI investigates crimes or potential crimes, so there has to be evidence indicating that.

I will just comment, do either of them have parents? IMO, it is most effective when parents get involved. The idea is, people may lose touch with friends, but not with parents.

I would also caution you all to be prepared for frustration. I am always sorry when people start blaming police and governments. Heading off to remote places requires plans for what to do when things go wrong.

JMO
 
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I lived in Costa Rica and traveled throughout Guatemala and Nicaragua. There definitely is a culture of bribery amongst some law enforcement there where you'll be pulled over and they expect you to give them money, but it's not likely they'll just be put in jail without the ability to contact anyone, especially as non citizens. It's usually just local police looking for a bit of cash. I'd be more concerned about an accident. There are long stretches of roads with jungle and heavily forested that run up right against the roads and if a car accident happened, it might be almost impossible to see the vehicle if it was off road. Almost happened to my family driving to Lima once. If you want to private message me or name some of the specific cities you want researched for local newspapers, I'm happy to scan through them for anything that stands out. My Spanish is still good enough to pick up anything relevant.
 
The FBI will OPEN a case if:
  • The victim’s last known whereabouts was on federal property ( federal park, Indian reservation, or the victim was onboard a commercial ship in international waters.)
  • The missing person is a an elected or appointed federal official, prosecutor, federal LE official (FBI DEA, etc) and their missing status is believed to be related to their official employment.
When and IF requested by the local law enforcement assistance may be made in multi-jurisdictional investigations. However, prior to contacting the FBI, the local agency will have determined the missing adult(s) was, more likely than not, a victim of foul play. What resources the FBI makes available are determined on a case-by-case base (may include manpower for searches and witness interviews, evidence analysis, consultations regarding victim(s)/subject behavioral profiles, and other other technically specialized resources.

Unfortunately, if the local LE officials don't believe foul play was involved after examining the evidence available, it's unlikely they will ask for help and the FBI can't just go in and start their own investigation outside of the parameters mentioned above (as far as I know).
 

October 25, 2024

AUSTIN, Texas — The University of Texas at Austin has reportedly ended its investigation into a missing student and his wife.

Frank Guzman and his wife Caroline Katba haven't been seen since July 22 when they were traveling through Veracruz, Mexico.

However, after more than three months without contact, Frank Guzman's sister, Elizabeth Guzman, learned the university is reportedly no longer pursuing the couple's disappearance.

Loved ones say they have not received any noteworthy updates on the case and that the prosecutor's office is struggling to access basic information like the couple's cellphones and credit card information.

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Article continues at link.

The family has set up a fundraising page "to secure an attorney who can coordinate with the multiple Mexican and U.S. agencies involved in this case."
 

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