Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 #2 *arrests*

[UsernameWS]

Hmmm

second degree felony.. wasn’t it third last night?

 

[Ajs1004]

Also, why would Vanessa be reported as being there when she wasn’t the next day? If he wasn’t her supervisor then who fudged those records and why?

 

[MassGuy]

second degree felony.. wasn’t it third last night?

I’m almost positive you’re right. I remember looking it up, and the maximum punishment was 10 years. Now she’s looking at 20, and that’s if she’s not hit with additional charges.

SECOND DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT. (a) An individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for any term of not more than 20 years or less than 2 years.

PENAL CODE CHAPTER 12. PUNISHMENTS

 

[Seattle1]

Inmate Detail - AGUILAR, CECILY ANNE

Charge Description: PC 37.09(c) / TAMP/FAB PHYS EVID W/INTENT TO IMPAIR HUM CORP

Crime Class: SECOND DEGREE FELONY

Well, an improvement from this morning but hope the charges upgraded by the end of the week.

 

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy said: ↑
I don’t know what happened, but the jail roster is again showing her in custody. Inmate Detail - AGUILAR, CECILY ANNE



Still read 3rd-Degree Felony an hour ago.

Here’s the current screenshot. Second degree felony.

 

[ImDone]

MOO, MY theory as to what could have happened:

As far as to what caused the incident, I can't really speak to as it could have been any number of things.

I think there was some sort of confrontation and Vanessa ended up getting killed. I tend to think that the fatal blow was something that didn't cause a lot of blood spatter or even a lot of rapid blood loss. AR hid her in the pelican case (which would have contained all blood inside and not spilled out onto the floor), left to get supplies for clean up and then took her elsewhere (possibly dump site) and used dismemberment and bludgeoning in an attempt to make identifying the remains difficult with the help of CA. Since repairs are done within the arms room, small droplets of blood that got cleaned up probably were common.



Just my thoughts.


Edited for spelling

Maybe they're investigating others but won't say. If so I hope they have them in custody and don't let them slip thru the cracks like Robinson did.

 

[oviedo]

Thank you to everyone who support soldiers. We're not all bad apples for sure! All of this has made me conflict with why I served and as long as I did....I have to keep reminding myself why regardless of the Nightmare Ft. Hood has created for everyone. Thanks again! One Team, One Fight!

I love our military and know in any profession there are bad apples - I’m surrounded by lawyers and most are all honorable but we come up against some bad ones for sure but it’s just like all professions IMO

 

[ImDone]

Here’s the current screenshot. Second degree felony.

They could be worried about her safety as well considering mysterious things are happening.

 

[PatLaurel]

second degree felony.. wasn’t it third last night?

I’m almost positive you’re right. I remember looking it up, and the maximum punishment was 10 years. Now she’s looking at 20, and that’s if she’s not hit with additional charges.

SECOND DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT. (a) An individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for any term of not more than 20 years or less than 2 years.

PENAL CODE CHAPTER 12. PUNISHMENTS

@MassGuy said: ↑
I don’t know what happened, but the jail roster is again showing her in custody. Inmate Detail - AGUILAR, CECILY ANNE

Still read 3rd-Degree Felony an hour ago.

It was 3rd Degree. I took a screenshot yesterday. It shows 2nd now. Refresh your browser and delete cookies @Seattle1

 

[ImDone]

I love our military and know in any profession there are bad apples - I’m surrounded by lawyers and most are all honorable but we come up against some bad ones for sure but it’s just like all professions IMO

We're all human. And yes I have been witness to a lot, but nothing like this.

 

[NoSI]

The article posted here said Robinson wasn't the one who called her. I'm still trying to figure out why she was there if she didn't work for him and worked in a different building according to what was said in their PC.

Yup, so my thought was that somebody in Vanessa's chain of command called her in to work and then shared with Robinson when and where she would be etc. in order to silence her for whatever reason. I am really not a conspiracy theorist, but this keeps crossing my mind. I have more questions now than I had before the briefing today...

 

[NoSI]

Yes. Supply Sergeants order mostly everything for the military. Paper, Light bulbs, pencils, pens, tools, tool boxes for mechanics etc. That case is used to put equipment in for lets say like when they go to the field for training, deployments etc. And believe it or not the Commander is signed for the case as well. Will probably have to pay for it. Property Book items.

Thank you so much @ImDone. I really appreciate your knowledge and that you share it with us.

 

[Seattle1]

The arms rooms for 3CR squadrons are almost all exclusively in the basement of squadron buildings, and for the Regimental Support Squadron (RSS), all of the companies had their arms rooms along the same basement corridor. That is to say, if I was going to my company's arms room, I would walk past the arms room for other companies in our squadron along the way.

Thanks for the welcome @Seattle1, hopefully I'm following rules/policies of the site in the right way.

I am also very sorry it happened within 3CR, it's horrible and I think about it quite a bit...the what-ifs, what-could-have-beens, and whatnot. This whole ordeal has made me want to go back into the Army, and do something....what that something is, I don't know, but I can't do much sitting here.

E4 may not be the appropriate rank to be in charge of an arms room, but I know that in my company, our armorer was an E4 for my entire time there. Sometimes, the personnel isn't available to fill every slot needed for leadership positions so you go to a senior specialist to fill the role. It gives them leadership experience and looks good when they go to the promotion board.

In my company's case, if someone needed to get into the arms room, we went to that E4 for access.

I think you have much to offer the forum -- thanks for sharing @Texas68W. WS is a facts-based forum so the only thing to remember is no info from social media can be posted on the main thread and MSM links for anything posted as fact. If your post is your opinion, notate with IMO. Also, you have about 58 1/2 minutes to edit or delete your post. Thanks again for your insight.

 

[MassGuy]

Yup, so my thought was that somebody in Vanessa's chain of command called her in to work and then shared with Robinson when and where she would be etc. in order to silence her for whatever reason. I am really not a conspiracy theorist, but this keeps crossing my mind. I have more questions now than I had before the briefing today...

I’ve never heard of that happening, but for the sake of argument, let’s entertain it.

If you want to silence someone, doing it in this way, at this time, at this place, and under these circumstances, makes no sense. It would be much easier to lure her off base, and kill her there.

People get called into work all the time, depending on their MOS. This, in and of itself, is not unusual.

With Covid going on, I think these were unusual times at Fort Hood. What makes complete sense to me, is that some sick SOB who already had his eye on Vanessa, took advantage of what he saw as a golden opportunity. They were alone, and he saw his chance to make a sexual advance.

He clearly wasn’t planning this, as he apparently had to leave her body on site, and purchase supplies. He also found himself in a precarious situation when he couldn’t move her.

For that, he enlisted a willing accomplice.

This makes complete sense to me, and there is plenty of precedent for it (outside the military world). I don’t think anyone else was involved.

 

[Seattle1]

Here’s the current screenshot. Second degree felony.

Thanks -- caught me between edit after confirming 2nd degree.

 

[ImDone]

Totally see your guys' point of view, and we all know how one unit can be a fine-tuned machine and another unit can be a soup sandwich. This is what many troops (what a calvary unit calls a company, for those who didn't serve) did during my time in 3CR, which was within the last five years.

What the case usually was is: the primary armorer was an E5+, but the alternate was an E4 who essentially acted as the primary armorer. The chain of command would choose an E4 who lived in the barracks to be the alternate because if someone needed access at a random time of the day (or weekend), an E4 who lives in the barracks located above the arms room on the second or third floor is easier to get ahold of.

So true. Usually the alternate is a soldier who has access already....But, one must have a security clearance to access a Arms Room....Everyone don't get them and/or not required to have one. Thank you for your service. I'm what they call 'Old School' by the book lol....Good luck to you!

 

[Seattle1]

I’ve never heard of that happening, but for the sake of argument, let’s entertain it.

If you want to silence someone, doing it in this way, at this time, at this place, and under these circumstances, makes no sense. It would be much easier to lure her off base, and kill her there.

People get called into work all the time, depending on their MOS. This, in and of itself, is not unusual.

With Covid going on, I think these were unusual times at Fort Hood. What makes complete sense to me, is that some sick SOB who already had his eye on Vanessa, took advantage of what he saw as a golden opportunity. They were alone, and he saw his chance to make a sexual advance.

He clearly wasn’t planning this, as he apparently had to leave her body on site, and purchase supplies. He also found himself in a precarious situation when he couldn’t move her.

For that, he enlisted a willing accomplice.

This makes complete sense to me, and there is plenty of precedent for it (outside the military world). I don’t think anyone else was involved.

AR had him another KK. And they deserved each other.

 

[MassGuy]

AR had him another KK. And they deserved each other.

Hell, she strikes me as the type of woman who would actually help with the murder itself if he asked.

If you can do what she helped him do to a human body, then I don’t think it’s a stretch to think she’d be willing to go further.

Obviously I don’t think that happened, but I hope she serves every day in prison that’s possible.

 

[NoSI]

I’ve never heard of that happening, but for the sake of argument, let’s entertain it.

If you want to silence someone, doing it in this way, at this time, at this place, and under these circumstances, makes no sense. It would be much easier to lure her off base, and kill her there.

People get called into work all the time, depending on their MOS. This, in and of itself, is not unusual.

With Covid going on, I think these were unusual times at Fort Hood. What makes complete sense to me, is that some sick SOB who already had his eye on Vanessa, took advantage of what he saw as a golden opportunity. They were alone, and he saw his chance to make a sexual advance.

He clearly wasn’t planning this, as he apparently had to leave her body on site, and purchase supplies. He also found himself in a precarious situation when he couldn’t move her.

For that, he enlisted a willing accomplice.

This makes complete sense to me, and there is plenty of precedent for it (outside the military world). I don’t think anyone else was involved.

All very good points. It would have been much easier to lure Vanessa off base and away from others if that is what happened. They could have definitely come up with a better plan, I would assume... that didn't involve killing her on base, making a big mess, and then having to dispose of the body. Very true! Man, you got such a rational, objective mind.... I am jealous!

 

[ImDone]

Thank you so much @ImDone. I really appreciate your knowledge and that you share it with us.

You're Welcome. I know what it's like for women and everyone else in the military. I came thru the ranks when it was really tough and I toughened up right along with the rest and fended for myself, because if we didn't who else was going to do it. I was fortunate enough to have good leadership in my career. I will always stand up for the next soldier regardless of gender. This situation, I just have no words for how it really makes me feel.