GUILTY TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #4

[Boxer]

Hmmm. Would actual quotes be better than hazy recollections?

What is hazy about CID family and friend interviews?

I agree the professionalism of CID could have been better, but I also see the internal battle CID had to wage at the same time. Hence the Ft. Hood Commander's removal not the head of CID Command.

 

[Boxer]

I feel sorry for the detectives who pled to detain AR after their luminol tests were performed in the AR armory. The aerosol blood spatter like Jennnifer Dulos proving murder and yet were denied.

 

[DutchTreat]

Fort Hood commander is REMOVED from his post after deaths of soldiers at the army base | Daily Mail Online

Sept 1, 2020

Timeline of Fort Hood disappearances/deaths

February 1, 2020: PVT Eric Christopher Hogan and PFC Anthony Nevelle Peak Jr. die in a car crash

March 1, 2020: SPC Shelby Tyler Jones is shot dead at a convenience store in Killeen

March 5, 2020: Spc. Christopher Wayne Sawyer found dead at his home. Foul play is not suspected.

March 14, 2020: SPC Freddy Beningo Delacruz Jr. is killed in a triple murder

March 23, 2020: Fort Hood soldier Spc. Jovino Jamel Roy, 22, was charged with murder after allegedly shooting former Fort Hood soldier Michael Steven Wardrobe, 22

April 22, 2020: Vanessa Guillen goes missing and is last seen in the parking lot of the base. She disappeared after telling her family she was being sexually harassed by a sergeant on the base.

May 18, 2020: Body of Army Pfc. Brandon S. Rosecrans, 27, was discovered with gunshot wounds and his Jeep was found three miles away engulfed in flames.

June 19, 2020: Search teams discover the corpse of missing soldier Pvt. Gregory Wedel-Morales following a tip to Army base investigators. Remains were found in a field in Killeen, just over 10 miles from Stillhouse Hollow Lake, five miles from Fort Hood.

July 1, 2020: First parts of Giullen's remains found about 20 miles east of Fort Hood.

Spc. Aaron Robinson, 20, kills himself. Officials say he killed and dismembered Guillén and had the remains disposed of.

July 17, 2020: Pvt. Mejhor Morta, 26, of Pensacola, Florida was found dead July 17 in the vicinity of Stillhouse Hollow Lake, around 15 miles from the Fort Hood base.

August 2, 2020: The body of Spc. Francisco Gilberto Hernandezvargas, 24, is recovered from Stillhouse Hollow Lake following boating incident not far from where Morta was found.

August 12, 2020: Spc. Cole Jakob Aton, 22, of Kentucky died after he was hit by a car as he was assisting a minor accident scene

August 13, 2020: National Guard soldier, Sgt Bradley Moore dies during a training exercise at the base

August 19, 2020: Sgt. Elder Fernandes, 23, is reported missing after he was last seen on August 17.

August 26, 2020: The body of Fernandes is believed to have been found about 30 miles from Fort Hood

That's not an army base. That's a Bermuda triangle.

 

[Niner]

Tuesday, September 8th:
*Motions Hearing (re gag order) (@ am CT) - TX – Army Specialist PFC Vanessa Guillén (20)(last seen April 22, 2020, reported missing April 23, 2020, Ft. Hood military base, remains were found (June 30, 2020) in 3 shallow graves next to the Leon River in Bell County & the remains were sealed in concrete; ID’d July 6, 2020) - *Cecily Ann Aguilar (22) – (Robinson’s GF) – arrested (7/1/20), charged (7/2/20) & arraigned (7/14/20) with 2nd degree conspiracy to tamper with evidence with intent to impair a human corpse, to corruptly alter, destroy, mutilate or conceal an object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the objects integrity or availability for use in a criminal case. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
*Aaron David Robinson (20) one of the suspects, shot himself overnight at around 1:30 a.m. Wednesday (4/22/20) after learning human remains were found. He ran out in shorts when confronted and shot himself in the head. The suspects tried to burn Guillen & evidence at the crime scene, near Leon River, which is around 26 miles from the base. Aguilar helped dismember the body.
Robinson info, Timeline post #534 & court info from 7/6/20 reference post #528 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...t-behind-22-apr-2020-arrests-3.530385/page-27
7/14/20 Update: The federal grand jury indictment charged Aguilar with 1 count of conspiracy to tamper with evidence & 2 substantive counts of tampering with evidence. Aguilar plead not guilty to all 3 counts. Will be held without bond until trial. No date has been determined for the start of the trial. The attorney for Guilenn's family, Natalie Khawam said Aguilar attempted to flee the country & attempted to delete her google accounts prior to her arrest. Judge did not set next hearing date.
7/27/20 State’s Motion #23: Motion for order prohibiting prejudicial extrajudicial statements by Aguilar. Defense files motion for gag order. An extension requested and granted to Aug 11, 2020 for Gov’t to respond to the gag order motion by the defense. 8/3/20: Order MOOTING #24 Motion as to Aguilar (1) Entered by Judge Jeffrey C. Manske. The Clerk of the Court has conferred with counsel about the procedure for filing documents under seal. 8/7/20: #25 Motion for extension of time to file response/reply as to #23 Motion for order prohibiting prejudicial extrajudicial statements by Aguilar. Order Granted: The government's deadline to respond is extended to August 11, 2020.
7/14/20 Update: Motions on Sept. 8, at which time Judge Albright could make a ruling on a gag order motion filed by Aguilar’s defense attorney on July 27. On Thursday, Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark Frazier filed his response to the defense motion, arguing that the gag order request is too broad in its scope. Sept. 14, 2020: The legal teams have until Sept. 14 to enter a plea bargain for Aguilar. Sept. 22, 2020: Should a plea bargain be entered for Aguilar, re-arraignment will be held on Sept. 22, according to court documents. Sept. 28, 2020: Aguilar is set to appear before Judge Alan D. Albright on Sept. 28 following jury selection.

 

[scapa]

Looks like the Fort Hood investigations are really gaining ground -- sorry if already posted:

Congress investigates Fort Hood following soldier deaths

Democratic Reps. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts and Jackie Speier of California sent a letter to Army Secretary Ryan D. McCarthy requesting documents and information on the deaths. Lynch chairs the Committee on Oversight and Reform’s Subcommittee on National Security, and Speier leads the Committee on Armed Services’ Subcommittee on Military Personnel.

According to the letter, the subcommittees will jointly investigate if recent deaths ‘may be symptomatic of underlying leadership, discipline, and morale deficiencies throughout the chain-of-command.’

The letter said that according to Army data there were an average of 129 felonies committed annually at Fort Hood between 2014 and 2019, including cases of homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, robbery and aggravated assault.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[AmandaReckonwith]

Vanessa Guillen Case Archive:
Vanessa Guillen -TX- by amanda reckonwith

(Sub-section) JUSTICE for Vanessa:
Justice For Vanessa by amanda reckonwith

 

[Niner]

@Seattle1 - just wondering if there might be next hearing on court site?

this is what I have in my notes:
Sept. 14, 2020: The legal teams have until Sept. 14 to enter a plea bargain for Aguilar. Sept. 22, 2020: Should a plea bargain be entered for Aguilar, re-arraignment will be held on Sept. 22, according to court documents. Sept. 28, 2020: Aguilar is set to appear before Judge Alan D. Albright on Sept. 28 following jury selection.

So maybe 9/22 next one? TIA!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Congress Investigates Fort Hood Following Soldier Deaths

Congress will launch an investigation into sexual assault, disappearances, deaths and the leadership’s response at Fort Hood after 28 soldiers stationed at the U.S. Army base in Texas died this year, two subcommittee leaders announced Tuesday.

According to data from Fort Hood officials, the 28 deaths include five homicides, as well as accidents, suicides, deaths related to illness, cases still under investigation and one combat-related death.

The subcommittees will jointly investigate if recent deaths “may be symptomatic of underlying leadership, discipline, and morale deficiencies throughout the chain-of-command.”

 

[cass523]

ABC’s ‘20/20’ profiles Spc. Vanessa Guillen case
September 11, 2020

ABC’s “20/20” will air a two-hour episode about Spc. Vanessa Guillen later this week, promising to deliver previously unreported details in the Fort Hood soldier’s death case that has made nationwide headlines.

The nationwide TV show will air locally from 8 to 10 p.m. Friday on ABC.

ABC’s ‘20/20’ profiles Spc. Vanessa Guillen case

 

[Seattle1]

@Seattle1 - just wondering if there might be next hearing on court site?

this is what I have in my notes:
Sept. 14, 2020: The legal teams have until Sept. 14 to enter a plea bargain for Aguilar. Sept. 22, 2020: Should a plea bargain be entered for Aguilar, re-arraignment will be held on Sept. 22, according to court documents. Sept. 28, 2020: Aguilar is set to appear before Judge Alan D. Albright on Sept. 28 following jury selection.

So maybe 9/22 next one? TIA!

Only update on the docket is the court denied motion for gag order (#23) on 8/17/20. No change to the dates as of today.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Vanessa's story will be on 20/20 on Friday.
This article is like a sneak preview of what they will be reporting.

Breaking News | Soldier who killed Vanessa Guillen was 'tipped' off by news reports to escape and take his own life

 

[Inquisitive2018]

Has this been posted
Army officials reveal new details in Vanessa Guillen case

So Soldiers purposely lied? How did they get it all wrong?

On the night she vanished, three soldiers saw Guillen while they stood by a tree, smoking outside the arms room, Maj. Gen. Donna Martin, the Army’s provost marshal, who heads the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command, told “20/20.
“They filled out affidavits that said they had seen Vanessa at a different time from when she had actually departed the other arms room. So that gave … essentially an instant alibi for Spc. Robinson, even though they had not really known the correct time of when she had actually departed and headed to the parking lot,” he explained. “The trail went cold for about a month.”

 

[borndem]

ABC’s ‘20/20’ profiles Spc. Vanessa Guillen case
September 11, 2020

ABC’s “20/20” will air a two-hour episode about Spc. Vanessa Guillen later this week, promising to deliver previously unreported details in the Fort Hood soldier’s death case that has made nationwide headlines.

The nationwide TV show will air locally from 8 to 10 p.m. Friday on ABC.

ABC’s ‘20/20’ profiles Spc. Vanessa Guillen case

Watching it now.
So far, so good. Fort Hood, as it is portrayed on the show, is not showing up too well, IMO.
Her family is shown as very close, religious, and loving.
Now the FBI comes into it. And other search teams.

 

[Seattle1]

Has this been posted
Army officials reveal new details in Vanessa Guillen case

So Soldiers purposely lied? How did they get it all wrong?

On the night she vanished, three soldiers saw Guillen while they stood by a tree, smoking outside the arms room, Maj. Gen. Donna Martin, the Army’s provost marshal, who heads the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command, told “20/20.
“They filled out affidavits that said they had seen Vanessa at a different time from when she had actually departed the other arms room. So that gave … essentially an instant alibi for Spc. Robinson, even though they had not really known the correct time of when she had actually departed and headed to the parking lot,” he explained. “The trail went cold for about a month.”

The witnesses may have seen somebody that was not VG and a case of mistaken identity.

It's also possible they were under the direction of AR and willingly or under threat gave him an alibi. Without learning their connection to the Arms Room, and AR we will probably never know.

MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thanks for the reminder for watching this show. I thought was done better than many cases, and points out how it may take extraordinary efforts of the family, involving congressperson and media etc. to get the ball rolling. I'm glad they did a two hour segment, and the juxtaposition to the other case of the missing man within the segment.

 

[Seattle1]

Watching it now.
So far, so good. Fort Hood, as it is portrayed on the show, is not showing up too well, IMO.
Her family is shown as very close, religious, and loving.
Now the FBI comes into it. And other search teams.

I caught the second hour and the end tore me up, I've been feeling somber ever since (Vanessa's dad wanted to go see Tim Miller so the entire family traveled to his home). They are in the same club that nobody ever wishes to membership.

 

[Boxer]

I feel sorry for the detectives who pled to detain AR after their luminol tests were performed in the AR armory. The aerosol blood spatter like Jennnifer Dulos proving murder and yet were denied.

I am adding to my own post here.
No matter the final details of the Congressional investigation on the
Ft. Hood command climate, since its public knowledge CID mounted an inept response in VGs dissapearance, my solution would be expand the FBI mission structure to provide DIRECT command oversight to the CID for major felonies.
Soldiers should enjoy the same protection as civilians in the matter of internal threats to them that are not related to war fighting.

MOO it is clear that CID could not do their job, first. they believed liars, then they dismissed physical evidence.

By the time the evidence became overwhelming and they realized they had been duped, it was too late, they did not even have the power to detain the suspect in the face of irrefutable proof of wrongdoing.

Also:
Are they prosecuting the soldiers who falsely reported seeing VG in the parking lot?
And the seagent that falsely counted her "present or accounted for" during afternoon roll call?

VG family lawyer
hopefully will keep the pressure up to get those dishonorable soldiers dishonorabley discharged.

 

[Inquisitive2018]

Its sickening, three soldiers all signed affidavits they saw her. Who did they see? who looks similar to Vanessa? How were they certain about the time? This delayed the case by one month?

AR just happened to be with an unarmed escort and happened to look at his phone when the media announced it and make a run for it.

If this is how they handle their own soldiers imagine the type of stuff they do to civilians abroad.

 

[Boxer]

Its sickening, three soldiers all signed affidavits they saw her. Who did they see? who looks similar to Vanessa? How were they certain about the time? This delayed the case by one month?

AR just happened to be with an unarmed escort and happened to look at his phone when the media announced it and make a run for it.

If this is how they handle their own soldiers imagine the type of stuff they do to civilians abroad.

Exactly.
Too comfortable, not actually performing duties with integrity.